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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 13:43:20 GMT -5
Now, the last 12 months for Florida coach Urban Meyer have been a roller coaster in some respects -- the loss in the SEC title game, the departure, the return, the end of the Tim Tebow era, the throttling in Tuscaloosa last weekend, etc. -- but if there was one moment in the last year that I, as a college football writer, would want to be in Meyer's head, it was at the end of last night's game.
How do you anticipate what Miles -- or this other-worldly power that is now driving him in a stunning way -- is going to come up with? Meyer must have been thinking, "Oh, crap, I'm stuck in a Les Miles Moment. This is not good. This can't be good."
Pitted against Miles in moments like this must take on a surreal tone at this point. It's like realizing The Mush from "A Bronx Tale" is on your sidelines as the clock ticks down.
Of course, Miles went with the old blind over-the-shoulder toss from the holder to the kicker in The Swamp. Only, the toss was off, so the football, which bounces straight on grass with the same frequency as it snows in Baton Rouge, bounced right up to the kicker, right on the line, which meant it wasn't an illegal forward lateral, and of course, kicker Josh Jasper scooped it up and got the first down.
This was another Les Miles moment after all. He could've yelled across the field during that timeout and said, "Hey Urban, I'm running that fake field goal I ran against Spurrier three years ago. You could put Dick Butkus, Ray Lewis and Troy Polamalu out there and you still can't stop it. I'm Les Miles."
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Oct 11, 2010 13:45:43 GMT -5
"You could put Dick Butkus, Ray Lewis and Troy Polamalu out there and you still can't stop it. I'm Les Miles."
Loved that piece of it. Maybe the nickname will change to magic hat.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 13:49:32 GMT -5
This part actually made me LOL.
Meyer must have been thinking, "Oh, crap, I'm stuck in a Les Miles Moment. This is not good. This can't be good."
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 11, 2010 13:50:07 GMT -5
Don't want to toot my own horn, but I saw that fake FG coming. Wonder if Urban or any of the Gators had it in the back of their heads or were they just so focused on trying to block the kick to ignite their season a la a few years ago vs. South Carolina.... ??
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Post by Bradimous1 on Oct 11, 2010 13:54:51 GMT -5
I was sitting there watching the game thinking to myself... man, this couldn't be happening to a better guy... especially when I saw Urbie point first down for the Gators... I was so happy that he was about to get Lessed
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Post by csd10 on Oct 11, 2010 13:54:54 GMT -5
This part actually made me LOL. Meyer must have been thinking, "Oh, crap, I'm stuck in a Les Miles Moment. This is not good. This can't be good." That part cracked me up too. I was watching this ending in a bar and a friend of mine said pretty much the same thing. It was something like, "Les Miles will still find a way to pull this off despite his best efforts."
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 14:01:04 GMT -5
One thing had been bugging me about the FG call and it wasn't the review. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I saw this rule. I think the refs might have made the wrong call.
A backward pass or lateral pass that hits the ground IS considered a fumble. On 4th down only the fumbling player, ie the last player to have POSESSION of the ball, ie the holder NOT the kicker is the ONLY player allowed to advance the ball. The moment the kicker touches this fumbled ball, the play is DEAD.
Is this true? Does that rule apply here? I'm not positive, but something just seemed wrong about it.
Anyway, UF didn't belong in that game to begin with. LSU deserved it going away, but made some dumb mistakes. UF didn't lose the game on that call. They were lucky to be in it.
Just wondering if the call was the right one in the end.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 11, 2010 14:01:40 GMT -5
I was sitting there watching the game thinking to myself... man, this couldn't be happening to a better guy... especially when I saw Urbie point first down for the Gators... I was so happy that he was about to get Lessed yeah I saw Urban doing that too. I think my words were "fuck off"
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Post by bcsbbad on Oct 11, 2010 14:02:37 GMT -5
Crazy ending to the game and the play was damned close. Talk about a game of inches and a lucky bounce getting them both on the same play. You can't coach that shit. ;d ;d So how doe Les do it
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 11, 2010 14:03:06 GMT -5
One thing had been bugging me about the FG call and it wasn't the review. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I saw this rule. I think the refs might have made the wrong call. A backward pass or lateral pass that hits the ground IS considered a fumble. On 4th down only the fumbling player, ie the last player to have POSESSION of the ball, ie the holder NOT the kicker is the ONLY player allowed to advance the ball. The moment the kicker touches this fumbled ball, the play is DEAD.Is this true? Does that rule apply here? I'm not positive, but something just seemed wrong about it. Anyway, UF didn't belong in that game to begin with. LSU deserved it going away, but made some dumb mistakes. UF didn't lose the game on that call. They were lucky to be in it. Just wondering if the call was the right one in the end. Makes sense, but is a backwards pass considered a "fumble" ?
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Post by bcsbbad on Oct 11, 2010 14:07:33 GMT -5
3g - can you have a "backwards pass?" I don't think so. It's either a lateral or a forward pass.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 11, 2010 14:14:59 GMT -5
3g - can you have a "backwards pass?" I don't think so. It's either a lateral or a forward pass. ok so a lateral is not considered a "fumble" right, with regards to the rule GD posted....
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 14:15:29 GMT -5
One thing had been bugging me about the FG call and it wasn't the review. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I saw this rule. I think the refs might have made the wrong call. A backward pass or lateral pass that hits the ground IS considered a fumble. On 4th down only the fumbling player, ie the last player to have POSESSION of the ball, ie the holder NOT the kicker is the ONLY player allowed to advance the ball. The moment the kicker touches this fumbled ball, the play is DEAD.Is this true? Does that rule apply here? I'm not positive, but something just seemed wrong about it. Anyway, UF didn't belong in that game to begin with. LSU deserved it going away, but made some dumb mistakes. UF didn't lose the game on that call. They were lucky to be in it. Just wondering if the call was the right one in the end. Makes sense, but is a backwards pass considered a "fumble" ? That's the question. I don't know the answer. It's a live ball but I don't know if it's considered a fumble or not. I'm honestly not worried about it. I get pissed when officials cost teams games (Swindle in the Swamp for one), but that wasn't the case here. UF was lucky to be in the game and lost it because of being outplayed by LSU. I can deal with that. Just curious about the actual ruling.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:16:43 GMT -5
One thing had been bugging me about the FG call and it wasn't the review. I couldn't put my finger on it, but I saw this rule. I think the refs might have made the wrong call. A backward pass or lateral pass that hits the ground IS considered a fumble. On 4th down only the fumbling player, ie the last player to have POSESSION of the ball, ie the holder NOT the kicker is the ONLY player allowed to advance the ball. The moment the kicker touches this fumbled ball, the play is DEAD.Is this true? Does that rule apply here? I'm not positive, but something just seemed wrong about it. Anyway, UF didn't belong in that game to begin with. LSU deserved it going away, but made some dumb mistakes. UF didn't lose the game on that call. They were lucky to be in it. Just wondering if the call was the right one in the end. We heard all this in 2007 when LSU ran the exact same fake and if it were against the rules you would think the NCAA may have said something by now. It's my understanding that the 4th down fumble rule is to prevent a player from intentionally fumbling a ball forward and out of bounds to get a first down.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:18:24 GMT -5
But on a lateral it makes no difference if you bounce it off the turf or not.
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 14:20:40 GMT -5
But on a lateral it makes no difference if you bounce it off the turf or not. That's what I was wondering. That is not considered a fumble?
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:24:08 GMT -5
But on a lateral it makes no difference if you bounce it off the turf or not. That's what I was wondering. That is not considered a fumble? Definitely not. That's why a ball thrown backwards behind the LOS is still live and the defense can scoop it up and run it back.
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 14:24:58 GMT -5
That's what I was wondering. That is not considered a fumble? Definitely not. That's why a ball thrown backwards behind the LOS is still live and the defense can scoop it up and run it back. I don't get that point. How is that different than a fumble? A defense could scoop that up and run it back as well.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:31:25 GMT -5
My understand is it is not a fumble because it is a backward pass which is different than a fumble. I've even heard of teams that have a bounce backward pass as part of their playbook. That's why the revue in the game on Saturday was so important. If the holder throws that ball forward instead of behind him it's game.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:32:17 GMT -5
Also, I think had the holder handed the ball off to the kicker and the kicker fumbled it would have been play dead.
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 14:36:51 GMT -5
My understand is it is not a fumble because it is a backward pass which is different than a fumble. I've even heard of teams that have a bounce backward pass as part of their playbook. That's why the revue in the game on Saturday was so important. If the holder throws that ball forward instead of behind him it's game. Gotcha. That's what I was wondering. Whether or not they are two different things in the rule book. I was fine with the review. I think it was forward, but it was close. I was just wondering if since it was a backwards pass, whether or not it was also considered a fumble for hitting the ground. I guess its not. Just a nuanced rule I guess.
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Post by bcsbbad on Oct 11, 2010 14:52:31 GMT -5
A backwards pass is a lateral plan and simple as there is no backwards pass - now the rule on who can advance a lateral is something I really don't know as the holder had control of the ball before it bounced on the ground and the kicker picked it up and advanced it. Whamil will let us know. Nice to have a smart fucker on the boards even if he cheers for the enemy ;d ;d ;d ;d
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Post by Pirate Joe on Oct 11, 2010 14:55:34 GMT -5
I need to hear Les explain it.... just cause I am sure he would fumble it worse than that lateral.
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Post by bigdawgs on Oct 11, 2010 14:59:27 GMT -5
My understand is it is not a fumble because it is a backward pass which is different than a fumble. I've even heard of teams that have a bounce backward pass as part of their playbook. That's why the revue in the game on Saturday was so important. If the holder throws that ball forward instead of behind him it's game. Gotcha. That's what I was wondering. Whether or not they are two different things in the rule book. I was fine with the review. I think it was forward, but it was close. I was just wondering if since it was a backwards pass, whether or not it was also considered a fumble for hitting the ground. I guess its not. Just a nuanced rule I guess. And this is why GD is one of the classiest and best posters on any board. You never get any excuses from him, regardless of outcome. +1
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 14:59:32 GMT -5
A backwards pass is a lateral plan and simple as there is no backwards pass - now the rule on who can advance a lateral is something I really don't know as the holder had control of the ball before it bounced on the ground and the kicker picked it up and advanced it. Whamil will let us know. Nice to have a smart fucker on the boards even if he cheers for the enemy ;d ;d ;d ;d How is that any different than a QB (instead of a holder) bouncing a lateral to a RB (instead of a kicker)?
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 11, 2010 15:00:05 GMT -5
I need to hear Les explain it.... just cause I am sure he would fumble it worse than that lateral. Please no
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 15:10:10 GMT -5
Gotcha. That's what I was wondering. Whether or not they are two different things in the rule book. I was fine with the review. I think it was forward, but it was close. I was just wondering if since it was a backwards pass, whether or not it was also considered a fumble for hitting the ground. I guess its not. Just a nuanced rule I guess. And this is why GD is one of the classiest and best posters on any board. You never get any excuses from him, regardless of outcome. +1 Thanks BD +1. I hate losing, but this was honestly one of the easier ones to take. Me and my dad always say, we don't mind losing if the other team outplayed us. You just hate to lose by either dumb mistakes, bad luck or bad calls. This wasn't one of those games. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have stolen a win there. But LSU outplayed us the whole game and UF was lucky to be in it because of a couple turnovers and a kickoff return. It's not like UF was playing LSU even and a bad call swung it in the Tigers favor. The right team won that game. I can live with that. I just hope UF heals quickly and Steve Addazio gets hit by a bus the leadership and pride of the team cause them to fix the problems the team has had so far.
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Post by bcsbbad on Oct 11, 2010 15:12:06 GMT -5
A backwards pass is a lateral plan and simple as there is no backwards pass - now the rule on who can advance a lateral is something I really don't know as the holder had control of the ball before it bounced on the ground and the kicker picked it up and advanced it. Whamil will let us know. Nice to have a smart fucker on the boards even if he cheers for the enemy ;d ;d ;d ;d It's the question that someone said that a lateral can only be advanced by the last person to have control of the ball. I really don't know that rule. How is that any different than a QB (instead of a holder) bouncing a lateral to a RB (instead of a kicker)?
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Post by Bradimous1 on Oct 11, 2010 15:23:13 GMT -5
Me and my dad always say, we don't mind losing if the other team outplayed us. You just hate to lose by either dumb mistakes, bad luck or bad calls. This wasn't one of those games. so you are saying that you would have been pissed if you were a Vols fan when losing to LSU... we outplayed LSU except for the first play and the final drive... only to lose because of a stupid mistake.
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Post by gatordynasty on Oct 11, 2010 15:37:01 GMT -5
Me and my dad always say, we don't mind losing if the other team outplayed us. You just hate to lose by either dumb mistakes, bad luck or bad calls. This wasn't one of those games. so you are saying that you would have been pissed if you were a Vols fan when losing to LSU... we outplayed LSU except for the first play and the final drive... only to lose because of a stupid mistake. Exactamundo. I would have still been on break from here if that had been UF in that game lol. Sorry man, first thing I thought of after witnessing was that was, "Damn, Brad didn't deserve that... but I bet Bill is going nuts" lol.
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