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Post by whamil77 on Oct 13, 2010 7:03:43 GMT -5
This guy is actually a douche Bama homer, but this article is pretty good. Well...it's factual, anyway.
Scarbinsky: Time for Auburn to stop going belly up against the Hogs Published: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:30 AM Kevin Scarbinsky, Birmingham News
The state of Arkansas has been good to Auburn. The University of Arkansas? Not so much.
The Natural State has exported one natural resource after another to the Plain. The short list runs from Tommy Tuberville to Lee Ziemba to Kodi Burns to Gus Malzahn to Mike Dyer. That underground pipeline will deliver again in February when star prep quarterback Kiehl Frazier from Springdale, Ark., turns his early commitment to the Tigers into a signature on a letter-of-intent.
But for every player and coach who's crossed the border to make Auburn better, Arkansas has put together a team of its own to crush an Auburn dream. The Tigers played in the SEC Championship Game in 2000 and 2004. If not for Arkansas, they would've added trips in 2001, 2002 and 2006.
The Tigers put themselves in the BCS conversation in 2004. If not for Arkansas, they would've made another case two years later.
Malzahn has been on both sides of this curious rivalry. Before he came to Auburn with Gene Chizik to give the Tigers hope, the mild-mannered mad scientist came to the Loveliest Village with Arkansas to burst Auburn's bubble. At Arkansas, Malzahn was 1-0 against Auburn. At Auburn, Malzahn is 0-1 against Arkansas. Naturally.
That's why Saturday's visit from the Razorbacks is bigger than big. It goes beyond a nationally televised showdown between No. 7 Auburn and No. 12 Arkansas and the return of Jetgate target Bobby Petrino. At Auburn, Petrino was 0-1 against Arkansas. At Arkansas, Petrino is 2-0 against Auburn. Naturally.
So the Tigers have a bone to pick with the Razorbacks. When does Auburn tend to shrink from the spotlight? When pigs fly into its airspace.
A look at Auburn's greatest pits:
In 2001, Auburn was 6-1 and ranked No. 17 when it traveled to Fayetteville to meet unranked Arkansas. True freshman sensation Carnell Williams ran for 177 yards, but it didn't matter. The Tigers turned the ball over three times and got smoked 42-17.
Auburn finished the season tied for the SEC West title with Nick Saban and LSU but lost the head-to-head tie-breaker. Beat Arkansas, and the Tigers would've returned to Atlanta for a second straight year.
In 2002, Auburn was 4-1 and ranked No. 24 with a four-game winning streak when unranked Arkansas came to the Plain. The Hogs scalded Chizik the coordinator's first Auburn defense for 426 rushing yards, 241 of them by the immortal Fred Tally, and barbecued the home team 38-17.
Auburn finished that season tied for the SEC West title with Arkansas, which went to Atlanta, and LSU. Beat Arkansas, and Auburn would've played in the SEC Championship Game.
In 2006, Auburn was 5-0 and ranked No. 2 in the nation and determined to make up for the BCS slight of two years before when unranked Arkansas walked into Jordan-Hare Stadium.
The Razorbacks shredded Will Muschamp's first Auburn defense for 279 rushing yards. Darren McFadden went for 145 yards, Felix Jones added 104 and a high school offensive coordinator named Malzahn steered them and a freshman quarterback named Mitch Mustain to a 27-10 upset.
Auburn finished that season one game behind Arkansas in the SEC West. If not for that loss, the Tigers would've gone to Atlanta at 11-1 to play 11-1 Florida for the SEC title and a possible berth in the BCS Championship Game.
Even Auburn's best team, the undefeated 2004 edition, got a little sloppy against the Hogs. Chizik's defense that year didn't give up more than 14 points in 10 of its 11 regular-season games. Against Arkansas, Auburn allowed 20 points in a 38-20 victory.
And what happened last year when Chizik returned to Auburn as head coach? The first team to beat him after a 5-0 start? Arkansas. The team that scored the most points against him all season with a big, fat 44? Arkansas.
To continue on its quest to make history, this Auburn team has to do more than put a stop to Ryan Mallett. It has to change history.
It has to stop going belly up, as if on cue, against the Hogs. Isn't it about time?
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Post by bigdawgs on Oct 13, 2010 7:39:11 GMT -5
And if Tubs was still there, the Petrino airport meeting might be more of an issue as well.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Oct 13, 2010 7:47:17 GMT -5
I almost dont want to watch this game. It is too painful.
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Post by donaufan on Oct 13, 2010 7:53:39 GMT -5
I'm not looking forward to it either. It could get ugly really quick if Auburn's secondary plays like they have been.
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Post by whamil77 on Oct 13, 2010 8:03:53 GMT -5
I almost dont want to watch this game. It is too painful. LOL! My wife has asked me, on more than one occasion, why I put myself through watching Auburn games. She has become so concerned that lately she has offered to mix me a stiff drink just prior to game time. OBTW, she long ago gave up actually trying to watch the game with me. I guess I become somewhat excited/agitated/obsessed/disgusted after kick-off, including the use of a plethora of adult words spoken at somewhat elevated volumes. Is that bad?
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Post by donaufan on Oct 13, 2010 8:38:25 GMT -5
I almost dont want to watch this game. It is too painful. LOL! My wife has asked me, on more than one occasion, why I put myself through watching Auburn games. She has become so concerned that lately she has offered to mix me a stiff drink just prior to game time. OBTW, she long ago gave up actually trying to watch the game with me. I guess I become somewhat excited/agitated/obsessed/disgusted after kick-off, including the use of a plethora of adult words spoken at somewhat elevated volumes. Is that bad? I hope not because that sounds just like me. I end up going outside to smoke a lot more too because I just get so damned aggravated... I didn't even see the end of the Kentucky game because I went to bed.
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Post by whamil77 on Oct 13, 2010 8:44:34 GMT -5
LOL! My wife has asked me, on more than one occasion, why I put myself through watching Auburn games. She has become so concerned that lately she has offered to mix me a stiff drink just prior to game time. OBTW, she long ago gave up actually trying to watch the game with me. I guess I become somewhat excited/agitated/obsessed/disgusted after kick-off, including the use of a plethora of adult words spoken at somewhat elevated volumes. Is that bad? I didn't even see the end of the Kentucky game because I went to bed. I couldn't do that. I would just lay there wide awake. I have to KNOW, even if it's bad.
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Post by wareagleray on Oct 13, 2010 8:47:45 GMT -5
I've watched one game with my fiance'. Auburn/LSU of last year. I'm pretty sure you could literally see a dark cloud over my head as Auburn totally shit the bed against LSU. She was trying to be all positive until I finally told her to just stop... ...she knows I love Auburn football but I don't know if she'll ever understand it. As for Arkansas? I knew they always seemed to have our number. But UGH, reading that article just ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) ....UGH. AND UGH again. Can we beat Arkansas? Yes. This year they aren't unranked underdogs. We know what's coming and we know the history...I hope that's enough of a kick in the ass.
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Post by donaufan on Oct 13, 2010 8:52:14 GMT -5
I didn't even see the end of the Kentucky game because I went to bed. I couldn't do that. I would just lay there wide awake. I have to KNOW, even if it's bad. I had my phone right beside me and actually picked it up to come on here to see what happened at the end of the game but I wasn't getting a good signal so I just rolled over and finally went to sleep. I didn't find out till sunday morning.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Oct 13, 2010 8:54:55 GMT -5
my wife actually makes plans to be away during the Vols game... especially this season.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Oct 13, 2010 9:08:01 GMT -5
Take a page out of NCBD's book and just laugh it off. Believe me, tantrums, cuss outs throwing things, blah...blah...blah... were all part of the repertoire in my past, but no longer. A newer, more mature(yeah, right) NCBD now watches the games. Nothing I can do or say will change what happens on the field, though I still think they do, as far as superstitions go, but no more of the BS. Cheers, and good luck to my brothers of the West.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 13, 2010 9:21:56 GMT -5
Take a page out of NCBD's book and just laugh it off. Believe me, tantrums, cuss outs throwing things, blah...blah...blah... were all part of the repertoire in my past, but no longer. A newer, more mature(yeah, right) NCBD now watches the games. Nothing I can do or say will change what happens on the field, though I still think they do, as far as superstitions go, but no more of the BS. Cheers, and good luck to my brothers of the West. My wife actually gets pissed at me for how I act when Georgia plays like shit or loses. "Calm down" "Do you hear yourself" Yes, I fucking do. This is the way I am so you aren't going to change it, you don't like it, leave !!! Recently (aka. this year) In my head I am trying to take the NCBD approach, nothing I yell or throw and break in my own house is going to make Georgia stop doing dumb shit. It is just REALLY hard not to get worked up when you are so passionate about something. All I want for Georgia is a 10+ win every season and hopefully a SECC every now and again. I know you can't win em all, just really hate to see them lose. I expect to lose a few games a year. Didn't see dropping 4 in a row this year, I will tell you that. I guess most of the passion comes from loving something so much, Georgia football, and knowing you cannot do anything. If I would have been big enough to play football, I would have. If I would have been good enough to go to Georgia and play football for the university, I would have. I didn't. I can't image how Aaron Murray or anyone on that team for that matter must feel right before kick-off... I can't sit down and get so fired up I wonder if I would have even been able to handle the pressure and play well in those situations. Makes you respect all those guys out there on the field even more, especially since they are college students / athletes playing because they love being good at something. Anyhow. Main point, I am trying to change this year, and it is hard.....
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Post by Pirate Joe on Oct 13, 2010 9:24:49 GMT -5
Facts and Predictions for the Arkansas Game By Kevin McGrady October 12, 2010
For most college football games, you can summarize the playmakers in one paragraph because few teams have a diverse offensive scheme. For the game between Auburn and Arkansas, this is simply not the case. Both teams feature multiple playmakers who produce on a weekly basis.
It is rare for two teams with so many offensive weapons to face each other. This is truly a match of two of the most prolific offenses in college football.
RUSHING
Auburn
Cam Newton: 672 yds rushing, 6.5 yards per carry (YPC), 9 TDs, longest run—71 yards
Michael Dyer: 390 yds rushing, 5.0 YPC, 2 TDs, longest run—27 yards
Onterio McCalebb: 345 yds rushing, 7.3 YPC, 2 TDs, longest run—50 yards
Mario Fannin: 164 yds rushing, 6.1 YPC, 1 TD, longest run—25 yards
Arkansas
Knile Davis: 203 yds rushing, 6.8 YPC, longest run—45 yards
Broderick Green: 192 yds rushing, 3.2 YPC, longest run—23 yards
Ronnie Wingo Jr.: 79 yds rushing, 5.6 YPC, longest run—15 yards
PASSING
Auburn
Cam Newton: 1138 yds passing, 10.54 yards per attempt (YPA), 12 TDs, 5 Ints, 180.7 Passer Rating
Barrett Trotter: 40 yds passing, 6.67 YPA, 122.7 Passer Rating
Neil Caudle: 42 yds passing, 42 YPA
Arkansas
Ryan Mallett: 1748 yds passing, 9.93 YPA, 13 TDs, 6 Ints, 170.3 Passer Rating
Brandon Mitchell: 16 yds passing, 5.33 YPA, 70.1 Passer Rating
Tyler Wilson: 6 yds passing, 2 YPA, 1 Int
RECEIVING—Running Backs
Auburn
Mario Fannin: 101 yds receiving, 11.2 yards per catch (YPC), 2 TDs, longest catch—38 yards
Eric Smith: 26 yds receiving, 8.7 YPC
Onterio McCalebb: 23 yds receiving, 23 YPC
Michael Dyer: 9 yds receiving, 9 YPC
Arkansas
Ronnie Wingo Jr.: 166 yds receiving, 11 YPC, 3 TDs, longest catch—43 yards
Knile Davis: 25 yds receiving, 6.3 YPC
Broderick Green: 21 yds receiving, 5.3 YPC
RECEIVING—Deep Threats
Auburn
Quindarius Carr: 103 yds receiving, 34.3 YPC, 2 TDs, longest catch—46 yards
Emory Blake: 173 yds receiving, 24.7 YPC, 3 TDs, longest catch—94 yards
Terrell Zachery: 252 yds receiving 14.8 YPC, 1 TD, longest catch—78 yards
Arkansas
Joe Adams: 408 yds receiving, 19.4 ypc, 3 TDs, longest catch—85 yards
Cobi Hamilton: 163 yds receiving, 16.3 YPC, 2 TDs, longest catch—71 yards
Jarius Wright: 247 yds receiving, 19 YPC, longest catch—43 yards,
RECEIVING—Mid Range
Auburn
Darvin Adams: 385 yds receiving, 18.3 YPC, 2 TDs
Philip Lutzenkirchen: 75 yds receiving, 9.4 YPC, 2 TDs
Arkansas
Greg Childs: 363 yds receiving, 13 YPC, 3 TDs
D.J. Williams: 259 yds receiving, 11.8 YPC
No team can shut down either of these offenses. They are fully capable of attacking every inch of the playing field, rushing or passing. They can kick a defense in the teeth with the power game, or finesse them with equal proficiency.
Auburn averages 454 yards of offense and 30 points per game against SEC defenses; they have played the fourth-, fifth- and 11th-ranked defenses in the conference.
Arkansas averages 427 yards and 25.5 points per game against SEC defenses; they have played the first and seventh ranked defenses in the conference.
Auburn averages 23.17 first downs per game, Arkansas averages 20.6. Auburn converts 48.5 percent of their third down attempt whereas Arkansas converts 37.7 percent.
Point 1
Auburn allows 1.17 sacks per game and Arkansas allows 1.8 sacks per game. Auburn has played the first, eighth and ninth ranked teams in the conference in sacks. Arkansas has played the seventh and 12th ranked teams in the conference in sacks. Auburn has also played the 18th ranked team in sacks out of conference.
Arkansas has yet to play a team this season that was a real sack threat. While this could mean nothing, it could be very significant. Their average opponent ranks 83rd of 120 in the nation in sacks, and their most prolific opponent ranks 44th in the nation in sacks.
Auburn’s average opponent ranks 55th in sacks allowed. Arkansas ranks 55th nationally in sacks allowed. Auburn will be the strongest opponent Arkansas has faced in putting pressure on the passer. Fans should keep an eye on this statistic: It could be very important.
Point 2
Arkansas’s average opponent this year is ranked 66th in pass defense. Auburn ranks 91st in pass defense. There is little doubt that this will be a significant statistic in this game.
Point 3
The average opponent for the Razorbacks ranks 57th in scoring defense. The Auburn Tigers rank 46th in scoring defense.
The average Auburn opponent ranks 64th in scoring defense. The Arkansas Razorbacks rank 13th in scoring defense.
Point 4
The average opponent for the Auburn Tigers ranks 67th in rushing defense. Arkansas ranks number 43th in rushing defense.
Point 5
Auburn ranks 28th nationally in preventing tackles for a loss. The Arkansas defense ranks 15th nationally in tackles for a loss.
Arkansas ranks 49th nationally in preventing tackles for a loss. The Auburn defense ranks 10th nationally in tackles for a loss.
Conclusion
For most of this season, Arkansas has run quite a few blitz schemes. Statistics and film tell us that blitzes seldom work on Auburn, often turning into a big play for the offense rather than a sack or quarterback hurry for the defense.
Arkansas will likely try to contain Cam Newton in the pocket and play disciplined defense against the run. They will likely lean on their secondary to cover the Auburn receiving corps and attempt to make Auburn pass the football. This is unlikely to work that well. Fans can expect the Auburn rushing and passing attack to have very good success in this game. Does Auburn or Arkansas prevail this Saturday? Auburn wins big. Auburn wins a close game. This one is too close to call. Arkansas wins a close game. Arkansas wins big. Who cares about these two teams anyway? Submit Vote vote to see results
The Auburn defensive line will get pressure on Ryan Mallett. He is not mobile, so containment in the pocket is not a concern.
The Auburn defense will likely blitz on several occasions. They have little chance of countering the Arkansas passing game with coverage alone. Arkansas will attempt to counter this with a perimeter rushing attack and screens.
None of this is likely to be particularly successful.
The Auburn pass rush will be the key to this game, disrupting the Arkansas passing game and preventing the conversion of some key third downs. Arkansas will not have enough impact plays they need to counter this disruption.
This will be a fairly high-scoring affair, but not particularly a shootout. Both offenses will produce more than 350 yards of offense in this game, but scoring should be somewhat reduced for Arkansas and about average for Auburn.
This is a little deceptive for one major reason: The Arkansas offense very often scores on big plays.
Arkansas has entered the opponent's red zone only 17 times and scored 15 times. Nine of their scores have been big plays; almost two scores per game have come on long plays from outside the red zone. Of the 22 scores Auburn has allowed this season, 21 were scored on a sustained drive.
Arkansas will have to sustain drives to score in this game, and that will trim some points off their average.
Simulations and statistical analysis point to a score of around 23 points for Arkansas in this game.
In four of 13 scoring drives against them this season, Arkansas has allowed a score on an impact play, an average of one cheap score per game. Auburn has scored on impact plays 11 times this season, an average of nearly two per game.
Simulations and statistical analysis suggest Auburn will score close to their average of 36 points per game.
A logical prediction for this game puts Auburn at 29-36 points and Arkansas at 23-30 points.
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Post by wareagleray on Oct 13, 2010 9:34:24 GMT -5
3G, I decided long ago Auburn football wasn't going to kill me. I was caring just a bit too much until about 2003. I'm a ton calmer during games and when Auburn loses, my life goes on. Sucks to see it happen but I can't let it ruin my life. I can only cheer for them and hope they get better for the next game.
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Post by wareagleray on Oct 13, 2010 9:34:55 GMT -5
Also, from Joe's post:
Put Mallet on his ass early and often. That kid wants to choke. We should oblige him.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 13, 2010 9:40:55 GMT -5
3G, I decided long ago Auburn football wasn't going to kill me. I was caring just a bit too much until about 2003. I'm a ton calmer during games and when Auburn loses, my life goes on. Sucks to see it happen but I can't let it ruin my life. I can only cheer for them and hope they get better for the next game. Teach me.
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Post by whamil77 on Oct 13, 2010 10:05:15 GMT -5
3G, I decided long ago Auburn football wasn't going to kill me. I was caring just a bit too much until about 2003. I'm a ton calmer during games and when Auburn loses, my life goes on. Sucks to see it happen but I can't let it ruin my life. I can only cheer for them and hope they get better for the next game. Like you, I'm a military man. I have landed jets on aircraft carriers 860+ times, often in weather you wouldn't drive you car in, many times at night, and sometimes under both conditions. I have flown 60+ combat missions, often dropping bombs on folks that deserved it, sometimes being shot at by those same folks. But nothing, and I mean nothing, gets my heart pounding like seeing Ziemba false start or Fannin fumble or any of the other shit that turns a big lead into a last second field goal to win......or a loss. The neighbors make out like bandits when Auburn loses on a Saturday, because they know I will shoot at least 10 strokes over my handicap on Sunday and they will take my money. "Hello. My name is Bill and I'm an Auburn fan."
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Post by Pirate Joe on Oct 13, 2010 10:07:12 GMT -5
3G, I decided long ago Auburn football wasn't going to kill me. I was caring just a bit too much until about 2003. I'm a ton calmer during games and when Auburn loses, my life goes on. Sucks to see it happen but I can't let it ruin my life. I can only cheer for them and hope they get better for the next game. Like you, I'm a military man. I have landed jets on aircraft carriers 860+ times, often in weather you wouldn't drive you car in, many times at night, and sometimes under both conditions. I have flown 60+ combat missions, often dropping bombs on folks that deserved it, sometimes being shot at by those same folks. But nothing, and I mean nothing, gets my heart pounding like seeing Ziemba false start or Fannin fumble or any of the other shit that turns a big lead into a last second field goal to win......or a loss. The neighbors make out like bandits when Auburn loses on a Saturday, because they know I will shoot at least 10 strokes over my handicap on Sunday and they will take my money. "Hello. My name is Bill and I'm an Auburn fan." LMAO that is some funny chit right thar.....
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Post by wareagleray on Oct 13, 2010 11:36:11 GMT -5
3G I can tell you exactly, EXACTLY when I made my decision: Auburn v Ole Miss 2003 season. That year Auburn was team 'can't get right'. We were supposed to be great but the offense wasn't there. We were playing an Eli Manning led Ole Miss team. Back and forth game and we're trailing 24-20 and driving. Time's ticking away. Campbell drops back to pass then fades to his right...fades...fades...sideline's getting closer...then passes...to a WIDE OPEN Ben Obamanu. He was so wide open that he could have literally done a helicopter spin and hit no one around him. He drops the pass.
I remember letting out this audible groan. I mean, it was a groan of actual pain. Auburn loses the game 24-20. And that's when I had my moment of clarity. It's simply not worth it for me to literally get unwell because Auburn loses.
If I hadn't had that moment of clarity I would have jumped off a damn bridge in 2008 because we SUCKED ASS that year.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 13, 2010 11:51:57 GMT -5
I remember thinking about changing a few years ago when we lost to South Carolina.
My wife was out of town, I drank 15 Bud Lights and tore the shirt I was wearing into 100 pieces after we lost.
Last few years there hasn't been too much to get that worked up over, especially this year.
I think this year is when I can finally sit back and just calmly watch some games because of the 4 losses already.
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Post by whamil77 on Oct 13, 2010 11:55:11 GMT -5
3G I can tell you exactly, EXACTLY when I made my decision: Auburn v Ole Miss 2003 season. That year Auburn was team 'can't get right'. We were supposed to be great but the offense wasn't there. We were playing an Eli Manning led Ole Miss team. Back and forth game and we're trailing 24-20 and driving. Time's ticking away. Campbell drops back to pass then fades to his right...fades...fades...sideline's getting closer...then passes...to a WIDE OPEN Ben Obamanu. He was so wide open that he could have literally done a helicopter spin and hit no one around him. He drops the pass. I remember it well. If he had just extended his arms out to the side, the ball would probably have stuck in his facemask.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Oct 13, 2010 12:02:21 GMT -5
holy shit i remember that. must have been hard to swallow.
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 13, 2010 12:06:05 GMT -5
LOL, that's brilliant whamil. I think next big LSU game my wife will likely close the windows in our house. Our new neighbors have been looking at me a little strange starting with the Tennessee game and even more so after last Saturday.
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Post by donaufan on Oct 13, 2010 12:21:17 GMT -5
LOL, that's brilliant whamil. I think next big LSU game my wife will likely close the windows in our house. Our new neighbors have been looking at me a little strange starting with the Tennessee game and even more so after last Saturday. Red, the DD's out here were laughing at me Saturday night. I told them I was going to bed and they were stunned that I didn't want to wait and see what happened. The next morning they said "You should have stayed up, it was a great finish" Maybe for someone who didn't have care how it finished....LOL
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Post by redstick13 on Oct 13, 2010 12:29:43 GMT -5
My daughter had one of her new friends over this past Saturday and I'm fairly sure the young lady had never heard strings of profanity quite like that after Florida scored the go ahead TD.
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Post by Life's too short. on Oct 13, 2010 13:17:22 GMT -5
Take a page out of NCBD's book and just laugh it off. Believe me, tantrums, cuss outs throwing things, blah...blah...blah... were all part of the repertoire in my past, but no longer. A newer, more mature(yeah, right) NCBD now watches the games. Nothing I can do or say will change what happens on the field, though I still think they do, as far as superstitions go, but no more of the BS. Cheers, and good luck to my brothers of the West. You left out the part where the 'new' NCBD started drinking like he votes -- early and often. That sure helps.
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