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Post by LaylaGator on Aug 10, 2011 22:26:06 GMT -5
Layla are you saying FSU would be a better option? Personally, I'd prefer a Virginia school or Clemson. I have a special hate-with-zero-respect for FSU. If the SEC stooped to FSU at this point, a little piece of my soul would die. It'd be like losing all respect for your spouse. "I love you, SEC, but I just can't look at you the same anymore."
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 10, 2011 22:33:50 GMT -5
Well, word(rumor) up here in Charlotte is that an ACC school is being targeted, and it isn't Duke, UNC, and most likely not the Virginia Schools. Said that would be the topic du jour tomorrow, as today was all about Panther football, with about 20 interviews on the radio show this afternoon. We shall see, but have to assume Clemson is on a short list.
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Post by LaylaGator on Aug 10, 2011 22:42:20 GMT -5
Well, word(rumor) up here in Charlotte is that an ACC school is being targeted, and it isn't Duke, UNC, and most likely not the Virginia Schools. Said that would be the topic du jour tomorrow, as today was all about Panther football, with about 20 interviews on the radio show this afternoon. We shall see, but have to assume Clemson is on a short list. Can you imagine??? The SEC offering/announcing two new schools at one time? I feel it's only a matter of time (this year or two years from now), but conferences will expand, and I would be perfectly content with aTm and Clemson. They're both plenty respectable, big on tradition, and similar in culture to the SEC schools.
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Post by fiasco007 on Aug 11, 2011 2:18:56 GMT -5
Layla are you saying FSU would be a better option? I think so. but thats just wishful thinking, that we could take back our south Ga reecruiting grounds.
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Post by fiasco007 on Aug 11, 2011 2:22:12 GMT -5
Or actually lose more of it. Nah.......now that I think about it.....fuck FSU. we dont want them.
WV, Mizzou, or another school from the west like Baylor.
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Post by Wolferuns on Aug 11, 2011 6:24:32 GMT -5
I would like to make a trip to College Station. If you have never been to a game out there you do not know what you are missing. Great tradition. I will not say the pregame and post game party is as good as over in Baton Rogue but it is close.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 7:21:53 GMT -5
If not WVU (which makes sense.. We have a pseudo SEC feel when it comes to football and the city of Morgantown in general... WVU is the top dog in the entire state and our ratings for TV are always top notch... Our fans travel well and we're pretty competitive), Louisville maybe?
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 11, 2011 9:39:01 GMT -5
louisville? yeah right.
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Post by redstick13 on Aug 11, 2011 9:54:41 GMT -5
If not WVU (which makes sense.. We have a pseudo SEC feel when it comes to football and the city of Morgantown in general... WVU is the top dog in the entire state and our ratings for TV are always top notch... Our fans travel well and we're pretty competitive), Louisville maybe? Thought about Louisville but again it is a scenario that doesn't open up new markets for the SEC due to Kentucky already warming a chair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 9:56:50 GMT -5
If not WVU (which makes sense.. We have a pseudo SEC feel when it comes to football and the city of Morgantown in general... WVU is the top dog in the entire state and our ratings for TV are always top notch... Our fans travel well and we're pretty competitive), Louisville maybe? Thought about Louisville but again it is a scenario that doesn't open up new markets for the SEC due to Kentucky already warming a chair. I hope they don't think the other Big East schools are going to bring much of a market.. I always hear that shit in regards to Pitt... "They bring the Pittsburgh market".. No they don't.. The Pittsburgh market is dominated by Penn State fans and WVU fans..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 9:57:40 GMT -5
Just throwing a geographical good school with a good athletic background and traditions (not really football but in the other sports for sure)...
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Post by redstick13 on Aug 11, 2011 10:00:45 GMT -5
Thought about Louisville but again it is a scenario that doesn't open up new markets for the SEC due to Kentucky already warming a chair. I hope they don't think the other Big East schools are going to bring much of a market.. I always hear that shit in regards to Pitt... "They bring the Pittsburgh market".. No they don't.. The Pittsburgh market is dominated by Penn State fans and WVU fans.. Well not necessarily new markets but it does place SEC football in new recruiting grounds at the very least. And vice verse for WVU. I would assume some of the regional football coverage would shift just a bit towards SEC games, no?
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 11, 2011 10:03:08 GMT -5
If the SEC expands, they need to get 20-30 million more from the expansion. They are not just going to add teams to get to a certain number. They have to be teams that add value.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 10:11:00 GMT -5
I hope they don't think the other Big East schools are going to bring much of a market.. I always hear that shit in regards to Pitt... "They bring the Pittsburgh market".. No they don't.. The Pittsburgh market is dominated by Penn State fans and WVU fans.. Well not necessarily new markets but it does place SEC football in new recruiting grounds at the very least. And vice verse for WVU. I would assume some of the regional football coverage would shift just a bit towards SEC games, no? Pittsburgh football games are played in Pittsburgh, but so are Penn State games.. All of them... and more people watch and are interested in Penn State.. Penn State rules the college side in Pittsburgh and the Steelers rule period.. Pitt is a total afterthought... for advertisers, ratings, and fan interest... You'd think having a home schedule that included say Alabama, South Carolina, Florida, and LSU would ratchet up interest... but I'm not so sure...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 10:12:10 GMT -5
But, the recruiting thing is a good point.. western PA and Eastern OH has produced a lot of talent over the years.. Telling those kids that they'll get to come back home and play every other year would only help the SEC schools coming up there....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 10:14:06 GMT -5
It's the reason I'd like to see the Big East offer UCF and Houston if they add two teams... Combine them with TCU and USF, and every coach get to tell every recruit in Florida and Texas that they will get to play in front of their friends and family every year....
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 10:22:30 GMT -5
First, it wasn't the Va Legislature, it was then Governor, now Senator, Mark Warner that blackmailed UVA with the threat of withholding state money if they didn't block any expansion that didn't include VT.
I think you are right on target that UVA would never leave the ACC for the SEC for academic reasons. When you add academics and football culture together the most likely targets are FSU, VT, Clemson and GT in the order. VT honestly would be the best fit for the SEC since it would bring in the DC market and they are the most SEC in their Football culture IMO.
Personally I would hate to see any team but VT leave the ACC and as much as I hate VT and wish they had never been part of the expansion they have turned into a decent rival for Tech.
I would like to believe that Tech wouldn't contemplate going BACK to the SEC, but honestly I think this decision will be driven by money not culture and academics. So that being said it wouldn't surprise me that much if Tech went back, it would be a surprise but not as much as it would have been before all of this conference roulette started.
And last comment, I think A&M would be a pretty good fit for the SEC, IMO best result for the SEC would be to bring both A&M and Texas in. If they did, do they stop there or bring in two more (like Clemson and FSU) to even out the east west or do they move a West team?
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 10:26:32 GMT -5
The other piece to think about is who maybe coming to the SEC hat in hand and asking to come... I know the Big East commissioner made a comment in an interview with ESPN that alluded to the fact that they know they are just a basketball conference that happens to have some teams that play football.
Perhaps A&M and Texas from the Big 12, and TCU and WVU from the Big East?
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 11, 2011 10:52:20 GMT -5
NVA, Texas is more unlikely to come to the SEC than UVA is. Their excuse is academics too.
I still say there is no way VT comes even if they want to. After all the pressure that was put on UVA and the ACC to take VT, I cannot envision that happening. But you are a hell of a lot closer to that situation than I am so maybe I am off base.
I would think the TCU/A&M deal might be a winner and if you go to 14, then add Clemson and WVU. Clemson adds no tvs, but they are absolutely SEC in everything but name. WVU and the two Tejas teams add the tv sets.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 11:12:29 GMT -5
NVA, Texas is more unlikely to come to the SEC than UVA is. Their excuse is academics too. I still say there is no way VT comes even if they want to. After all the pressure that was put on UVA and the ACC to take VT, I cannot envision that happening. But you are a hell of a lot closer to that situation than I am so maybe I am off base. I would think the TCU/A&M deal might be a winner and if you go to 14, then add Clemson and WVU. Clemson adds no tvs, but they are absolutely SEC in everything but name. WVU and the two Tejas teams add the tv sets. It would be a little strange, but the pressure was put on UVA because it was believed that the expansion would leave VT holding a lot less money. New governor, and lets face it the SEC is going to long term put more money in your coffers than the ACC. VT absolutely has and SEC mind set. I find it humorous that Texas would claim Academics when A&M is willing to jump. A&M is currently ranked 63rd, just behind UF and UGA, just in front of Auburn and Bama. Texas is 45th, just in front of UF and UGA. The fact is that the SEC comes across as a better conference academically than the Big 12. Texas and A&M are the top two schools in the Big 12, Texas would be 2nd in the SEC, A&M would be 4th, 5th if Texas was included. Unless Texas thinks it is going to get an invite to the PAC 10 or the ACC their best bet to increase their academic peers is through the SEC.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 11:37:47 GMT -5
I know most of the folks aren't as into the academic rankings, but US News is now ranking a whole lot more schools other than just tier 2. Really changed the conference rankings I have done through the years since now the bottom schools are ranked instead of just assuming they are all just the next school. It really put distance between the haves (ACC/Pac 10/Big 10) and the have nots (SEC/Big12/Big East) Conference Avg Ranking ACC 50.5 Pac 10 57.2 Big 10 75.1 SEC 98.7 Big 12 101.3 Big East 115.8 (with TCU in to help improve the average)
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 11:41:23 GMT -5
BTW, the academic rankings of the schools being discussed...
UT - 45 A&M - 63 Clemson - 64 VT - 69 FSU - 104 GT - 35 WVU - 176
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 11, 2011 11:45:57 GMT -5
I hear you...but try telling that to the folks in Austin. They are simply better than anyone else. They actually believe it too. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 11:46:36 GMT -5
If anyone thinks this is about academics, they are sadly mistaken...
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Aug 11, 2011 12:15:30 GMT -5
If anyone thinks this is about academics, they are sadly mistaken... Goose, I think academics is the reason given when things aren't what folks want and they need an acceptable excuse. I remember when FSU came into the ACC they claimed it was because of academics. In reality they probably thought the ACC was going to give them enough respectable games easily scheduled and that they still had a good probability of going undefeated. SEC probably looked a lot tougher to run the table.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2011 12:40:46 GMT -5
Yes.. it's a convenient fall back weapon.. but in the grand scheme of things has nothing to do with conference realignment.. the almighty dollar holds all the cards..
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