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Post by bamainmt on Sept 20, 2014 2:10:26 GMT -5
End of the year we can look back. Right now it's just going to be me vs everyone else and after 6 years, that shit is getting old. If it's getting old, stop starting delusional threads.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 5:29:23 GMT -5
Id be shocked if Auburn loses less than 3 games. I'm thinking the same thing. They definitely don't look like a top 5 team right now Week 3 against LSU last year Auburn didnt look like a championship team either. Auburn didnt look impressive against KSU. I have always thought they had 4-5 losses this year. I think the loss of Robinson on the line and Prosch were too big of losses to fill. The D has looked atrocious, however, they did show alot of improvement against K State. K-State has a hall of fame coach. They are a great team and Auburn may not face another opponent this year that is as "well coached" They were prepared, they are a Top 25 team, Auburn was on the road in a hostile environment and left with a win. An ugly win, but a win none the less. Marshall looked improved and Auburn receivers had NUMEROUS catchable dropped passes.
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Post by CFF on Sept 20, 2014 7:11:41 GMT -5
End of the year we can look back. Right now it's just going to be me vs everyone else and after 6 years, that shit is getting old. First off, you started the topic. If it is getting old, quit bringing it up. Secondly, I defended the B12 the year that Alabama went to the MNC game when Ok State was the champ of the statistically best conference. You didn't fight the fight alone, but your fight is old because the stats no longer support you. Did all of the favorites in the games stated above win? The answer to the question is no. Tennessee was a 21 point underdog. Tennessee was a blown fumble call away from Oklahoma not covering the spread. Oklahoma is clearly a better team this season, but one call and they would not have covered the spread. TTU on the other hand, was a favorite. Did they cover? I don't think they did. They got blasted...I would say back into irrelevance, but they already weren't relevant. Oklahoma is a fantastic team that could compete with any team in the country. The rest of the conference....IDK. That is the conference of this year, not 5 years ago, 20 years ago, but the current state of college football.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 9:12:17 GMT -5
I said pretty EVEN.....
And they are figuring your 4 more teams.... Etc.
WV and KSU played Bama and Auburn to the end.
On was ranked #2, and the other #5.
WV was picked at the time 7th in the big12 out of 10. And KSU was ranked #20 after nearly falling to Iowa St.
TTU and Ark bury unranked, both 2-1.... In the end we will see where they fall.
OU beat Bama last year in the bowl and beat TN pretty good..... Which they should have.
All in all, pretty Even. Like I said.
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Post by bigdawgs on Sept 20, 2014 9:48:36 GMT -5
Got to agree with PJ. Auburn won on the road. I realize that ROAD out of conference games are foreign to some SEC teams but they tend to be tougher. I would take ANY road win.
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Post by BTB07 on Sept 20, 2014 9:53:50 GMT -5
I'm not sure I would go as far as calling it even but I would say based on the very small sample size the two conferences appear to be pretty evenly matched. The games have been close with the exception of TTU vs Arky.
I really don't care for the conference debate and at this point in the season without more results it's just an unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:02:06 GMT -5
Where I agree with the point everyone CONTINUES to try to ignore is this: any game won by 7 points or less could go either way if the game is played again. Play 10 times? Easily 5-5. Two of the four games went that way. The other two were evenly split - one dominating win for the SEC, one for the B12.
But even simpler than that "even" claim is the fact that the constant SEC crap chooses to claim that no such outcome could ever happen because the SEC is so much more dominate than any other conference. Even at the point when the SEC was 3-9 vs PAC teams during the BCS (the gap closed toward the end) I'd hear SEC folks COMMONLY say the PAC was no better than the 4th best conference in D-IA. In response I'd see nothing but an endless stream of excuses. That's what David is responding to, not a claim of true conference parity.
And road games on average are given a 3 point advantage by those whose livelihoods depending on knowing about such things. I'd say there are exceptions to the rule, Oregon's stadium for example, but is anyone going to claim KSU is one of those? USC and UCLA aren't exceptions and I don't think KSU is any more intimidating to visitors than the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:04:48 GMT -5
...and screw y'all for making me agree with David on something.
I feel dirty.
I need to now go wash my hands and change the batteries on my speak'n'spell....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:07:32 GMT -5
Where I agree with the point everyone CONTINUES to try to ignore is this: any game won by 7 points or less could go either way if the game is played again. Play 10 times? Easily 5-5. Two of the four games went that way. The other two were evenly split - one dominating win for the SEC, one for the B12. But even simpler than that "even" claim is the fact that the constant SEC crap chooses to claim that no such outcome could ever happen because the SEC is so much more dominate than any other conference. Even at the point when the SEC was 3-9 vs PAC teams during the BCS (the gap closed toward the end) I'd hear SEC folks COMMONLY say the PAC was no better than the 4th best conference in D-IA. In response I'd see nothing but an endless stream of excuses. That's what David is responding to, not a claim of true conference parity. And road games on average are given a 3 point advantage by those whose livelihoods depending on knowing about such things. I'd say there are exceptions to the rule, Oregon's stadium for example, but is anyone going to claim KSU is one of those? USC and UCLA aren't exceptions and I don't think KSU is any more intimidating to visitors than the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl. Great post... The only games that did not go as I predicted was the WV game... I wanted to call them in an upset, but i figured that Bama would actually beat them by 20+........ The Arky Game looked a lot better after all the hype TTU got in the preseason, but after the first 2 games, i knew TTU was going to give up a ton of points and yards... i just did not see Webb and the Offense shitting the bed. I called it "56-52 TTU I think in a high scoring game... other said "no it will be low, Arky will run the clock out".... And if TTU had not had so many turnovers it might have been 49-45 or something.... either way, in a 4 game series with the SEC, The big 12 has looked competitive, Yes, even the TTU game which was 21 all at half...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:08:40 GMT -5
...and screw y'all for making me agree with David on something. I feel dirty. I need to now go wash my hands and change the batteries on my speak'n'spell.... "Give into your hate.... let it flow through you....... join me, together we can rule the galaxy as father and son!!!!"
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:15:12 GMT -5
Where I agree with the point everyone CONTINUES to try to ignore is this: any game won by 7 points or less could go either way if the game is played again. Play 10 times? Easily 5-5. Two of the four games went that way. The other two were evenly split - one dominating win for the SEC, one for the B12. But even simpler than that "even" claim is the fact that the constant SEC crap chooses to claim that no such outcome could ever happen because the SEC is so much more dominate than any other conference. Even at the point when the SEC was 3-9 vs PAC teams during the BCS (the gap closed toward the end) I'd hear SEC folks COMMONLY say the PAC was no better than the 4th best conference in D-IA. In response I'd see nothing but an endless stream of excuses. That's what David is responding to, not a claim of true conference parity. And road games on average are given a 3 point advantage by those whose livelihoods depending on knowing about such things. I'd say there are exceptions to the rule, Oregon's stadium for example, but is anyone going to claim KSU is one of those? USC and UCLA aren't exceptions and I don't think KSU is any more intimidating to visitors than the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl. Auburn did go victory formation with 2 minutes left in KSU territory. I guess they could have tried to run up the score to look more impressive. Auburn was a 7 point favor, they won by 6. I do think Auburn is severely over rated at nr5, but I also think KSU is a Top 20 team. KSU should get more credit than they are getting. Its not like they are in the Sun Belt or MWC.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:16:59 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:21:21 GMT -5
and just a note... in the second half against Arkansas, Auburn held Arky to 51 yards of total offense. Auburns biggest problem right now is they cant and dont play a consistent 4 quarters of football. Either on offense or defense. They actually didnt get into any type of groove on O until the 4th QTR on KSU. They arent a defensive juggernaut but they played probably their most consistent game on D this week.
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Post by BTB07 on Sept 20, 2014 10:22:41 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, when they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. I thought it was a nice win for Auburn. Going on the road and winning on a Thursday night is a good win, especially when the other team is well coached and doesn't get penalized the entire game. I think it is less about criticizing auburn for the win and more discussing the closeness of several games between the two conferences.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:31:28 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. Are you intentionally forcing yourself not to get it? No one said anything bashing Auburn, but I guess in the SEC trance it sounds that way to you? This is in response to the SEC trash talk about unquestioned dominance over all of college football. Auburn did NOT demonstrate dominance over KSU. They did demonstrate what it takes to win the game, but that isn't even close to what the SEC fanbois are always spouting. That's the point. You said it yourself, Auburn was only given a 7 point spread, but if SEC fans had been the ones creating the spread instead of outsiders -- they'd have gone into that game with a 21 point spread. The point isn't that the B12>SEC or even that the B12=SEC. It's that in four games in a given period things were close enough that it was 1-3 but could have been 2-2 or even 3-1. That's football in the real world. PJ you yourself just called KSU a quality team in the quote here, that's David's point. The fact that the spread was only 7 points means OTHERS think KSU is a quality team in similar position to that of Auburn. Seven points is a little more than a lean in choosing a winner. One call going your way or the other can change the outcome of such a game. The point David's making is that the evidence of these 4 games flies directly in the face of "the B12 sucks" chants coming out of SEC fans. Fans of the other conferences get tired of it as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 10:34:56 GMT -5
and just a note... in the second half against Arkansas, Auburn held Arky to 51 yards of total offense. You're doing it again. This is what I mean about the excuses. Another interpretation of what you just said is that Auburn had to keep Arky to 51 yards of total offense in the entire second half to even win the game by 7 points. That's not SEC dominance. That's football. Under this all, the problem is that a lot of us get sick of hearing SEC treated like politics. Be objective, enjoy the game, but also be realistic. Celebrate the win against a quality opponent and stop (SEC fans in general) simultaneously denigrating the quality of a team/conference while claiming it's a quality opponent. The latter is true, the former is just stupid.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:37:45 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. Are you intentionally forcing yourself not to get it? No one said anything bashing Auburn, but I guess in the SEC trance it sounds that way to you? This is in response to the SEC trash talk about unquestioned dominance over all of college football. Auburn did NOT demonstrate dominance over KSU. They did demonstrate what it takes to win the game, but that isn't even close to what the SEC fanbois are always spouting. That's the point. You said it yourself, Auburn was only given a 7 point spread, but if SEC fans had been the ones creating the spread instead of outsiders -- they'd have gone into that game with a 21 point spread. The point isn't that the B12>SEC or even that the B12=SEC. It's that in four games in a given period things were close enough that it was 1-3 but could have been 2-2 or even 3-1. That's football in the real world. PJ you yourself just called KSU a quality team in the quote here, that's David's point. The fact that the spread was only 7 points means OTHERS think KSU is a quality team in similar position to that of Auburn. Seven points is a little more than a lean in choosing a winner. One call going your way or the other can change the outcome of such a game. The point David's making is that the evidence of these 4 games flies directly in the face of "the B12 sucks" chants coming out of SEC fans. Fans of the other conferences get tired of it as well. I havent seen any BIG 12 sucks coming out of SEC fans. What I have seen is david IMMEDIATE start a the SEC is not dominant thread. No one argued that it was. What I have seen on message boards and comments is that Auburn was lucky, didnt deserve to win. Hell most SEC fans were rooting against Auburn. Now I have seen people talking about how bad the B1G sucks. That is a different story. I dont give half a fuck about any other SEC team and how they fare outside of the Conference. Like I said in the upset thread. I wished there was a way LSU and MSU could both lose to each other.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:40:29 GMT -5
and just a note... in the second half against Arkansas, Auburn held Arky to 51 yards of total offense. You're doing it again. This is what I mean about the excuses. Another interpretation of what you just said is that Auburn had to keep Arky to 51 yards of total offense in the entire second half to even win the game by 7 points. That's not SEC dominance. That's football. Under this all, the problem is that a lot of us get sick of hearing SEC treated like politics. Be objective, enjoy the game, but also be realistic. Celebrate the win against a quality opponent and stop (SEC fans in general) simultaneously denigrating the quality of a team/conference while claiming it's a quality opponent. The latter is true, the former is just stupid. YOU are missing the point. Arky is NOT in the BIG 12. My point was the inconsistancy of Auburns D. One half they give up 225 yards and 21 points, the next half they give up 51 yards and no points. They just dont play consistent football right now.
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Post by bilogle on Sept 20, 2014 10:42:00 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. Are you intentionally forcing yourself not to get it? No one said anything bashing Auburn, but I guess in the SEC trance it sounds that way to you? This is in response to the SEC trash talk about unquestioned dominance over all of college football. Auburn did NOT demonstrate dominance over KSU. They did demonstrate what it takes to win the game, but that isn't even close to what the SEC fanbois are always spouting. That's the point. You said it yourself, Auburn was only given a 7 point spread, but if SEC fans had been the ones creating the spread instead of outsiders -- they'd have gone into that game with a 21 point spread. The point isn't that the B12>SEC or even that the B12=SEC. It's that in four games in a given period things were close enough that it was 1-3 but could have been 2-2 or even 3-1. That's football in the real world. PJ you yourself just called KSU a quality team in the quote here, that's David's point. The fact that the spread was only 7 points means OTHERS think KSU is a quality team in similar position to that of Auburn. Seven points is a little more than a lean in choosing a winner. One call going your way or the other can change the outcome of such a game. The point David's making is that the evidence of these 4 games flies directly in the face of "the B12 sucks" chants coming out of SEC fans. Fans of the other conferences get tired of it as well. relax, Smog...... "everyone knows" that the last place ESS EEE SEE team would finish no worse than second in any other conference.......
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 10:56:33 GMT -5
and currently on Auburn message boards. They are NOT screaming ESS EEE SEE... they are screaming bench Nick Marshall and Cameron Artis-Payne and bring in Johnson and Roc Thomas. They pretty much dont give a fuck about the rest of the SEC .. or the Big 12.
and they are bitching that Trovon Reed wasnt playing S the past 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 11:53:47 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. ummmm no one "bashed" Auburn..... we just said KSU was good... And that was a great Play call on 3rd down... Auburn only rushed for lil 38 yards the whole game.... if that pass is dropped, this might be a different kind of thread... which is the point above... a game that is 6,7,or 8 points is one play away from going the other direction. So do not bash KSU for the loss either..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 11:56:48 GMT -5
Boy, you don't even have to say the SEC is "not as good as ______" anymore to get this board all in a fuss.......
you can just say that another conference is "as good" or "even" or "slightly worse but not measurable"....... and the SEC boys go INSANE.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 12:07:02 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. ummmm no one "bashed" Auburn..... we just said KSU was good... And that was a great Play call on 3rd down... Auburn only rushed for lil 38 yards the whole game.... if that pass is dropped, this might be a different kind of thread... which is the point above... a game that is 6,7,or 8 points is one play away from going the other direction. So do not bash KSU for the loss either.. I have not bashed K State. No one on here has. I think I have said they are WELL COACHED, maybe the BEST coached team Auburn will play all year. That they came ready to play, that they in MY OPINION are still a Top 20 team. But your anti-SEC spewing is as bad as the dickheads who cheer it and its an old and played out. If you are arguing a tired argument from 8 years ago on a CBS message board then congratulations you win the internet today. No ONE is arguing for the SEC or against K-State.
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Post by 96Ag on Sept 20, 2014 12:21:33 GMT -5
Central Arkansas and Utep both covered the spread and lost by 7 and 4 points...so games that could go either way...so therefore the big 12 is only slightly better than those conferences.
Sound logic?
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Sept 20, 2014 12:24:01 GMT -5
To early to tell. The football boards are the same every year. Early on all the expectations, buy later in the season, reality and then we know.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 20, 2014 12:25:18 GMT -5
Its funny. Auburn and others get bashed for not playing quality OOC teams, then they do and then they get bashed because they didnt win big enough. ummmm no one "bashed" Auburn..... we just said KSU was good... And that was a great Play call on 3rd down... Auburn only rushed for lil 38 yards the whole game.... if that pass is dropped, this might be a different kind of thread... which is the point above... a game that is 6,7,or 8 points is one play away from going the other direction. So do not bash KSU for the loss either.. and you are WRONG. Auburn rushed for 128 and held K State to 40.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Sept 20, 2014 12:26:06 GMT -5
And a win is a win, again especially toward the end of the season. If undefeated, those early wins are just as important as late season wins.
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Post by bigdawgs on Sept 20, 2014 16:31:00 GMT -5
My comments were directed at SEC fans on this board who were "not impressed" with Auburn winning by only 6 in Manhattan. My response was that far too many SEC fans don't know what its like to go on the ROAD to play a quality OOC team. My snark was directed at SEC fans and teams that almost never schedule an away game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 19:14:08 GMT -5
My how the SEC homers swarm....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 20:23:54 GMT -5
Btw, Missouri lost to Indiana.
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