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Post by bigdawgs on Sept 19, 2014 22:19:33 GMT -5
FSU President announces that Winston won't play at all.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Sept 19, 2014 22:20:05 GMT -5
Whaaaaaaaaaaa… ?
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Post by athens on Sept 19, 2014 22:24:55 GMT -5
Wow. Bet that moved the line.
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Post by bigdawgs on Sept 19, 2014 22:26:15 GMT -5
Probably but I think they are so deep and I hear the backup is really pretty good. And don't think they won't be very fired up.
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 22:35:02 GMT -5
Hopefully everyone is now content. Or, another game? 2 more? Season? What will it take, media? Guys? Little help? No bowl for 2 years, loss of 10 schollies per year for 3 years.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Sept 19, 2014 22:38:06 GMT -5
He shoulda been suspended much earlier than this so I am not sure what anyone has to say.
Either way this now is lose lose for clemson
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 22:38:48 GMT -5
Tex,
All due respect, I can't see how you can sit there and defend Winston. Even if you want to pass his most recent actions off as being a 20 yr old knucklehead, do you really want that as the face of your football team? The dude appears to have little sense of awareness. If I had been accused of the things that he did, the last thing I would do would stand on top of a table in the middle of the Student Union and yell the things that he did.
No offense, but keeping up blind loyalty to the kid shows fanaticism in a bad light. Some times you just have to cut bait.
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 22:38:50 GMT -5
No bowl for 2 years, loss of 10 schollies per year for 3 years. For being vulgar in public? I agree. He did win the Heisman. Oh and return Heisman, after all his crime is on the level of Reggie Bush.
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 22:42:05 GMT -5
Seriously, how does this reflect on Jimbo Fisher. Fisher gave him a 1/2 suspension. Looks like he was overridden by the University president.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 22:48:32 GMT -5
Tex, All due respect, I can't see how you can sit there and defend Winston. Even if you want to pass his most recent actions off as being a 20 yr old knucklehead, do you really want that as the face of your football team? The dude appears to have little sense of awareness. If I had been accused of the things that he did, the last thing I would do would stand on top of a table in the middle of the Student Union and yell the things that he did. No offense, but keeping up blind loyalty to the kid shows fanaticism in a bad light. Some times you just have to cut bait. Think. Seriously. Move past your animus. He was suspended for a half. 2 days later, whole game. what changed? They didn't get it right the first time. The kid is a knucklehead who should be held accountable for his dumbass actions. Move on. I have zero animosity towards FSU or any other team for that matter. Just calling a spade....a spade.
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 22:48:41 GMT -5
Personally, I think the whole suspension is suspect, unless FSU really punishes every student for being vulgar in public.
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 22:50:52 GMT -5
Mark Richt has lost control of FSUs President.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 22:51:04 GMT -5
Let's face it. The kid is only hurting himself. Not to mention that the school and fans by just brushing it off as Jameis being Jameis are only enabling him which really doesn't help him in the long run. Thus, I can see why the President, said "Enough is enough"
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 22:54:48 GMT -5
Personally, I think the whole suspension is suspect, unless FSU really punishes every student for being vulgar in public. Is every student the QB of the football team? This is where it gets slippery and I fully admit this because the athlete advocates will say, Winston isn't reaping the financial benefits of the FSU windfall for his success. That being said, under the current parameters, him acting like a juvenile dipshit brings embarrassment to the brand. If we've learned nothing else over the last 2 weeks, that is something that teams (college and professional) are both taking seriously because of the potential impact on the brand. Is it completely fair to the athlete? Probably not, but then again, they also get quite a few benefits that that the normal person doesn't get, thus its just part of the territory.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 22:56:15 GMT -5
They didn't get it right the first time. The kid is a knucklehead who should be held accountable for his dumbass actions. Move on. I have zero animosity towards FSU or any other team for that matter. Just calling a spade....a spade. Ok. I'll ask you this, if this kid was the QB for Clemson, Miami, or Florida, would you be reacting the same way?
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Post by NCBulldawg on Sept 19, 2014 22:57:50 GMT -5
I'll ask you this, if this kid was the QB for Clemson, Miami, or Florida, would you be reacting the same way? I'll be the "ass". Nope!
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Post by bamainmt on Sept 19, 2014 23:00:56 GMT -5
Personally, I think the whole suspension is suspect, unless FSU really punishes every student for being vulgar in public. Is every student the QB of the football team? This is where it gets slippery and I fully admit this because the athlete advocates will say, Winston isn't reaping the financial benefits of the FSU windfall for his success. That being said, under the current parameters, him acting like a juvenile dipshit brings embarrassment to the brand. If we've learned nothing else over the last 2 weeks, that is something that teams (college and professional) are both taking seriously because of the potential impact on the brand. Is it completely fair to the athlete? Probably not, but then again, they also get quite a few benefits that that the normal person doesn't get, thus its just part of the territory. While I agree, he is the face of FSU, I believe the only reason he was suspended is beacause it came up the same week as all the NFL domestic violence issues.
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Post by bigdawgs on Sept 19, 2014 23:03:13 GMT -5
I think there is a huge trickle down effect from the NFL. Minnesota changed their mind on AP. The NFL changed their mind on Ray Rice. Now tonight it appears that Harbaugh wanted Rice gone and his higher ups stabbed him in the back. There has been less than enthusiastic feedback over Goodell's Presser today.
If this incident was in a vacuum, I am thinking FSU holds him out a series or two. But it comes on top of all the other stuff. It APPEARS to the public that he just does not get it. And on top of the other stuff, he seems to think all he needs to do is apologize and all is well.
I would guess that public pressure became so great that the administration seemed not to have much choice.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:05:23 GMT -5
Is every student the QB of the football team? This is where it gets slippery and I fully admit this because the athlete advocates will say, Winston isn't reaping the financial benefits of the FSU windfall for his success. That being said, under the current parameters, him acting like a juvenile dipshit brings embarrassment to the brand. If we've learned nothing else over the last 2 weeks, that is something that teams (college and professional) are both taking seriously because of the potential impact on the brand. Is it completely fair to the athlete? Probably not, but then again, they also get quite a few benefits that that the normal person doesn't get, thus its just part of the territory. While I agree, he is the face of FSU, I believe the only reason he was suspended is beacause it came up the same week as all the NFL domestic violence issues. You might be right, but given his track record, I'm not so sure it still wouldn't have been an issue. I get that FSU fans will try to brush it off because so far his immaturity hasn't affected his play on the field, but for the people of the program that actually might care for his future, they need to help the kid grow up. Otherwise, they will be giving him the same type of job that Vince Young has at Texas in about 4-5 years.
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Post by pittnd1 on Sept 19, 2014 23:13:12 GMT -5
In all seriousness--and believe me I don't give a shit about FSU--does this get the attention if it wasn't for the timing?
We are in an era of "football players behaving badly". The recourse is strong and swift. Can anyone tell me that if this happened a year ago that anyone woulda batted an eye?
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Post by gatordynasty on Sept 19, 2014 23:15:44 GMT -5
Seriously, how does this reflect on Jimbo Fisher. Fisher gave him a 1/2 suspension. Looks like he was overridden by the University president. Better than Winston suspending himself the other half himself. -.-
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Post by pittnd1 on Sept 19, 2014 23:20:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure when the 1/2 half suspension happened--was it Tues or Weds? What happened since then that would justify a longer suspension?
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:21:15 GMT -5
In all seriousness--and believe me I don't give a shit about FSU--does this get the attention if it wasn't for the timing? We are in an era of "football players behaving badly". The recourse is strong and swift. Can anyone tell me that if this happened a year ago that anyone woulda batted an eye? If it was another player maybe not, but given his track record and the allegations against him, I believe it would have been noticed.
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Post by pittnd1 on Sept 19, 2014 23:26:31 GMT -5
In all seriousness--and believe me I don't give a shit about FSU--does this get the attention if it wasn't for the timing? We are in an era of "football players behaving badly". The recourse is strong and swift. Can anyone tell me that if this happened a year ago that anyone woulda batted an eye? If it was another player maybe not, but given his track record and the allegations against him, I believe it would have been noticed. I don't doubt it woulda been noticed. In fact, I think it was noticed when FSU meted out the punishment of a 1/2 game suspension. My question is--what changed to alter a 1/2 game suspension into a full game suspension?
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:34:42 GMT -5
If it was another player maybe not, but given his track record and the allegations against him, I believe it would have been noticed. I don't doubt it woulda been noticed. In fact, I think it was noticed when FSU meted out the punishment of a 1/2 game suspension. My question is--what changed to alter a 1/2 game suspension into a full game suspension? Nothing changed. There is no doubt a bit of the climate played into it. That being said, the FSU Pres has to look at the overall perception of the school. In the best light, it's still seen more as a football factory if you polled the country outside of the state of Florida. These sort of instances and and being lenient doesn't help that perception. I would have given him a one game suspension from the beginning given his history. Not easy considering Jimbo is looking to win games, but he has a bit of a leash given he just won some hardware.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:38:53 GMT -5
Just so we are clear, the media has just set a precedent. Be careful what you wish for. How has the media set a precedent? I said it on the NFL thread and I will say it on here, it is really cliche to blame the media and really intellectually lazy as well. If these guys don't put themselves in the situations that they did in the first place there is no problem and nothing to report. Spare me the song and dance about if they were just regular Joes. Regular Joes also don't reap the benefits that these athletes do as well. In the political threads we love to talk about personal accountability, but when it comes to our sports, we like to go easy on the poor guys because the media is being too harsh and blows everything out of proportion. I know that I quoted you here, but this is meant as a reflection of the whole board. You can't have it both ways!
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:41:35 GMT -5
If it was another player maybe not, but given his track record and the allegations against him, I believe it would have been noticed. Allegations are easy. And given his stature, all the more reason to keep your head down and not be such a dip shit. Honestly, answer the question that I asked earlier. If this were Tahj Boyd last year, would you have had the same soft spot for him if he put himself in the same situation?
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Post by pittnd1 on Sept 19, 2014 23:47:01 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from toph. And trust me, I think Jameis could use an ass spanking--he's caused enough of a distraction to his own team that he needs to get a wake up call.
My only question was that by Weds, we all knew what he did this time. He yelled a phrase that many college students use on a regular basis these days. Given what he's been through, it was really dumb
How did the punishment change from a 1/2 game to a full game? His actions didn't change. He said what he said--his history didn't change. But the punishment did change.
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Post by tophb21 on Sept 19, 2014 23:50:50 GMT -5
I understand where you're coming from toph. And trust me, I think Jameis could use an ass spanking--he's caused enough of a distraction to his own team that he needs to get a wake up call. My only question was that by Weds, we all knew what he did this time. He yelled a phrase that many college students use on a regular basis these days. Given what he's been through, it was really dumb How did the punishment change from a 1/2 game to a full game? His actions didn't change. He said what he said--his history didn't change. But the punishment did change. It was brought to the attention of the President, who has to worry about more than just a football team or at least he should. Thus, if nothing else, I think this was the President throwing Jimbo under the bus and said a strong enough statement wasn't made. If it had been Jimbo adding to the punishment, I would get your stance. It was the President adding on and you can plausibly say that he didn't have anything to do with the initial suspension. Maybe he did, but you can plausibly deny that he did. Going forward, I think this could be a real issue for Jimbo. It definitely shows a lack of trust by the Pres in Jimbo.
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Post by pittnd1 on Sept 20, 2014 0:03:59 GMT -5
Bottom line-- if Jameis was a model student who made a mistake by yelling something in the student union--not a big deal. I know I said some pretty idiotic stuff in my college years. But when the head coach can't go to bed without wondering--what's next? I'm sure it has to get old.
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