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Post by notdpb on Mar 30, 2015 22:36:17 GMT -5
Geno Smith, arrested over the weekend and charged with his second DUI in three seasons, was never in danger of being kicked off the Alabama football team, Tide coach Nick Saban said.
Saban addressed Smith's status Monday after practice, sharing few details regarding what appears to be an internal punishment on the football side of things following the arrest.
"A little disappointed in Geno Smith," Saban said after practice, via 247Sports. "When he does a few things that he needs to do over the next few days, and he's going to have quite a bit of things that he has to do in the future, which I'm not going to be willing to share with anybody -- that's kind of a private matter -- then he'll be back on the field and we'll allow him to practice again.
"But our focus right now is to help Geno in every way that we can, do things that we need to do so that he can be a productive person, a productive student and productive player. He's always been a good student and he's always done a good job and he's always been a good competitor on our team and has always set a pretty good example, in terms of how he's played."
Smith has been a three-year player for Saban as a reserve in the secondary, and with Landon Collins and Nick Perry gone there is an expectation that he will play a big role this fall. In terms of impact from weekend arrests -- isn't it a bummer that we have to say it like this -- it fell below the radar in comparison to the dismissal of Jonathan Taylor.
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Post by notdpb on Mar 30, 2015 22:36:35 GMT -5
What. A. Fucking. Joke.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Mar 30, 2015 22:46:08 GMT -5
2nd DUI and it is an internal disciplinary action as a result? What the fuck is this? I mean, the first one resulted in a missing of a game. So, because Alabama is lacking in the Secondary, Geno gets a pass for his 2nd DUI?
Do you know what would happen to me if I got a 2nd DUI in the real world? First of all, I would be arrested and then I would be fried! Yes, "fried"! But, nope! Apparently not the case if you are an Alabama football player. Combine this with tonight's Press Conference, and what do you have? Alabama fucking football. Becoming a joke, in my eye. Should be ashamed. I only can hope the media latches on and press this a bit and not let slide because it is THE Nick Saban. Fuck him, and his excuses. His time has run its course.
My apologies to the Alabama fans on here as this has to do with the culture that seems to be Alabama football. I am sorry. A second DUI and this is going to be handled internally? after the first DUI(Yes, I said, FIRST) he received a suspension. How in the Hell does a second DUI not warrant a stiffer penalty? Only in Alabama when the Secondary is light in the depth department and a star player gets his second DUI.
This deserves some blowback. Sorry, Alabama, it does. Truly a shame. Can't wait to see and hear the next PR response by Alabama brass and their heralded Head Coach, Nick Saban.
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 30, 2015 23:19:29 GMT -5
Come on now. It is the SEC West you know.
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Post by notdpb on Mar 30, 2015 23:47:31 GMT -5
But what does Phyllis think?
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Post by zacharyjarm on Mar 31, 2015 3:19:43 GMT -5
2nd DUI and it is an internal disciplinary action as a result? What the fuck is this? I mean, the first one resulted in a missing of a game. So, because Alabama is lacking in the Secondary, Geno gets a pass for his 2nd DUI? Do you know what would happen to me if I got a 2nd DUI in the real world? First of all, I would be arrested and then I would be fried! Yes, "fried"! But, nope! Apparently not the case if you are an Alabama football player. Combine this with tonight's Press Conference, and what do you have? Alabama fucking football. Becoming a joke, in my eye. Should be ashamed. I only can hope the media latches on and press this a bit and not let slide because it is THE Nick Saban. Fuck him, and his excuses. His time has run its course. My apologies to the Alabama fans on here as this has to do with the culture that seems to be Alabama football. I am sorry. A second DUI and this is going to be handled internally? after the first DUI(Yes, I said, FIRST) he received a suspension. How in the Hell does a second DUI not warrant a stiffer penalty? Only in Alabama when the Secondary is light in the depth department and a star player gets his second DUI. This deserves some blowback. Sorry, Alabama, it does. Truly a shame. Can't wait to see and hear the next PR response by Alabama brass and their heralded Head Coach, Nick Saban. Just because he said internally doesn't mean it won't be a stiffer penalty than the first. Secondly we don't know everything around it. You make a lot of assumptions in your post.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Mar 31, 2015 4:37:40 GMT -5
I'm gonna assume 2 DUIs in 3 years you should lose the privilege to plat CFB.
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Post by zacharyjarm on Mar 31, 2015 4:57:53 GMT -5
I'm gonna assume 2 DUIs in 3 years you should lose the privilege to plat CFB. That isn't an assumption, that is your opinion and one I agree with without knowing all the details.
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Post by Wolferuns on Mar 31, 2015 6:08:04 GMT -5
Well it is not like he beat up his girlfriend or something for the second time. It is just Saban letting the rest of us know where Jimbo learned it. Now if Saban could just recruit a better police chief.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Mar 31, 2015 8:02:01 GMT -5
Yep. In terms of impact from weekend arrests -- isn't it a bummer that we have to say it like this -- it fell below the radar in comparison to the dismissal of Jonathan Taylor
Its a sad state when a DV charge is needed to minimize your 2nd DUI and quite possibly used to avoid expulsion.
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Post by 75tranzam on Mar 31, 2015 8:02:52 GMT -5
I do not feel he should lose the right to play football. I think a 2-4 game suspension is punishment enough. If a third DUI occurs then I would suspend for the season.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Mar 31, 2015 8:06:54 GMT -5
I do not feel he should lose the right to play football. I think a 2-4 game suspension is punishment enough. If a third DUI occurs then I would suspend for the season. Like politics, we will all differ in opinion on this subject. IMO, 2-4 games for a 2nd offense does not send a strong enough message.
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Post by zacharyjarm on Mar 31, 2015 8:19:26 GMT -5
I do not feel he should lose the right to play football. I think a 2-4 game suspension is punishment enough. If a third DUI occurs then I would suspend for the season. Like politics, we will all differ in opinion on this subject. IMO, 2-4 games for a 2nd offense does not send a strong enough message. Depends, certain states have different rules. What if he was sleeping in his car and not actually driving? In certain states you can get a DUI if you are in the drivers seat with the keys in the ignition. Not saying this is the case but a DUI doesn't always mean they were driving.
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Post by erock72 on Mar 31, 2015 8:21:24 GMT -5
In certain states you can get a DUI if you are in the drivers seat with the keys in the ignition.
Illinois is one of those states.
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Post by 75tranzam on Mar 31, 2015 8:31:07 GMT -5
I do not feel he should lose the right to play football. I think a 2-4 game suspension is punishment enough. If a third DUI occurs then I would suspend for the season. Like politics, we will all differ in opinion on this subject. IMO, 2-4 games for a 2nd offense does not send a strong enough message. I agree, I just think that this is another example of why the SEC needs a uniform punishment for drug and alcohol arrests. IF the SEC had a uniform policy of say one game suspension for the first violation/arrest, 4 games for second violation/arrest and a full season suspension for 3rd violation/arrest and no playing in the SEC after a 4th violation/arrest I think you would send a strong, consistent message. Internal handling of a violation/arrest is crap. It might be tougher than another punishment in some people's eyes but how do you know. Most coaches aren't going to discuss the actual punishment, just assure reporters it will be handled. Just passing the buck IMO.
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 31, 2015 11:06:15 GMT -5
Sorry, but DUI is serious stuff. Not sure how you handle this internally. Isn't there University policies on this stuff or is it left up to the team and AD for them? I don't think he needs to be booted based on what we know, but the suspension needs to hurt. Miss the first half of the season...or miss 4 games like you get for getting paid for signing your autograph.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Mar 31, 2015 11:58:21 GMT -5
I have to ask, is he of age? I would think so, but you never know. If he is underage, that would be two DUI's and underage. Something tells me he is 21 by now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 12:03:35 GMT -5
When i get arrested for DUI, i am going to tell the Judge... "Its cool, i internally punished myself at my house and released on my own recogesence.".....
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Post by notdpb on Mar 31, 2015 13:04:50 GMT -5
"A little disappointed in Geno Smith," Saban said after practice, via 247Sports. "When he does a few things that he needs to do over the next few days, and he's going to have quite a bit of things that he has to do in the future, which I'm not going to be willing to share with anybody -- that's kind of a private matter -- then he'll be back on the field and we'll allow him to practice again. [/b]
The sophomore was at practice Tuesday for the top-ranked Crimson Tide, and Saban said Smith has some "in-house" things to do in order to return in time for the Sept. 14 game against Texas A&M.So who's the bigger fucking idiot- the player who given a second chance does it again, or the coach who says pretty much exactly the same thing this time around?
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Post by bcsbbad on Mar 31, 2015 13:11:12 GMT -5
do all schools punish for the same offenses the same way - uhhhh - NO.
Should they - ummmmm - yes.
Ball in your court all mighty NCAA.
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Post by tonythegator on Mar 31, 2015 13:15:06 GMT -5
Saban should discipline him "internally" by shoving his foot up his ass when he shows him the door.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Mar 31, 2015 13:59:54 GMT -5
Like politics, we will all differ in opinion on this subject. IMO, 2-4 games for a 2nd offense does not send a strong enough message. Depends, certain states have different rules. What if he was sleeping in his car and not actually driving? In certain states you can get a DUI if you are in the drivers seat with the keys in the ignition. Not saying this is the case but a DUI doesn't always mean they were driving. I think we are straying from the actual subject but a DUI is a DUI. If Im not mistaken, is has to do with intent. Just because he doesn't have the keys in the ignition when he's actually caught, doesn't mean he did not have the intent to drive. Now, if he's caught the driver seat with the keys locked in the truck, I don't think he would be subject to a DUI, but im no lawyer nor do i know each states law on this.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Mar 31, 2015 14:01:17 GMT -5
Like politics, we will all differ in opinion on this subject. IMO, 2-4 games for a 2nd offense does not send a strong enough message. I agree, I just think that this is another example of why the SEC needs a uniform punishment for drug and alcohol arrests. IF the SEC had a uniform policy of say one game suspension for the first violation/arrest, 4 games for second violation/arrest and a full season suspension for 3rd violation/arrest and no playing in the SEC after a 4th violation/arrest I think you would send a strong, consistent message. Internal handling of a violation/arrest is crap. It might be tougher than another punishment in some people's eyes but how do you know. Most coaches aren't going to discuss the actual punishment, just assure reporters it will be handled. Just passing the buck IMO. This would certainly make things much easier for everyone and take the subjectivity out of the Corches/AD hands depending on the need and type of player.
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 31, 2015 14:24:26 GMT -5
The SEC has already made it pretty clear that they do not want to have a uniform policy. University Presidents do not want to give up that authority. So you can forget it. It is not an even playing field, but it isn't anyway. Schools have different academic standards and they have different disciplinary standards and it will not be screwed with. I might guess that the league could come up with a minimum punishment standard, but then again, it is still up to the individual president and a given successor might opt to lessen the penalties.
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Post by zacharyjarm on Mar 31, 2015 18:06:14 GMT -5
Depends, certain states have different rules. What if he was sleeping in his car and not actually driving? In certain states you can get a DUI if you are in the drivers seat with the keys in the ignition. Not saying this is the case but a DUI doesn't always mean they were driving. I think we are straying from the actual subject but a DUI is a DUI. If Im not mistaken, is has to do with intent. Just because he doesn't have the keys in the ignition when he's actually caught, doesn't mean he did not have the intent to drive. Now, if he's caught the driver seat with the keys locked in the truck, I don't think he would be subject to a DUI, but im no lawyer nor do i know each states law on this. Depending on the state the guy with the keys in the truck could get a DUI. Some states if you are underage and blow anything above a .01 it is a DUI. So my point is a DUI can be different but I seriously doubt this is the case.
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Post by bcsbbad on Mar 31, 2015 19:03:26 GMT -5
A pro should never get a DUI/DWI/whatever - but they do. A CFB player gets some slack but not much. If you don't learn from the first one you have a serious problem.
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