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Post by ugatlien on Jun 4, 2009 21:56:15 GMT -5
This series is boring. Essentially it is Duke vs. the Lakers. One big guy plus four 3-point shooters doesn't make a great team. There were only three good teams in the NBA this year. Too bad Kevin Garnett was hurt.
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 21:56:17 GMT -5
This isn't a political thread. There's no right wingers on here tonight to piss on Kobe's great performance. Just following the rules of the thread. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 21:57:38 GMT -5
He might be on the bench with the game sealed up before he has the chance to get the assists and rebounds that he needs to get the triple double. Helluva performance thus far. Orlando has NO match for him right now. He's got 7 assists and 6 rebounds right now. I think he has an outside shot, depending on how many minutes he plays in the 4th. Game 2 isn't until Sunday, so there is the outside chance that Phil leaves him in to just completely demoralize Orlando.
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 21:57:45 GMT -5
Damn. The Lakers are making the Magic their bitches tonight. It's not even that entertaining... Kobe's been pretty entertaining. Incredible performance.
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 21:58:22 GMT -5
8 and 7.
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 21:59:06 GMT -5
This series is boring. Essentially it is Duke vs. the Lakers. One big guy plus four 3-point shooters doesn't make a great team. There were only three good teams in the NBA this year. Too bad Kevin Garnett was hurt. Three good teams....I assume you have the Lakers and Boston. Who is your third?
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:01:17 GMT -5
Howard is killing the Lakers down low. (1-6)
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Post by ugatlien on Jun 4, 2009 22:01:51 GMT -5
This series is boring. Essentially it is Duke vs. the Lakers. One big guy plus four 3-point shooters doesn't make a great team. There were only three good teams in the NBA this year. Too bad Kevin Garnett was hurt. Three good teams....I assume you have the Lakers and Boston. Who is your third? Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something.
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:02:14 GMT -5
This game looks to be OVAH!
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:02:25 GMT -5
A entire NBA thread without mentioning what a hoodlum Lebron is? Wow, I'm shocked. Who is this LeBron person you speak of?
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:03:09 GMT -5
Three good teams....I assume you have the Lakers and Boston. Who is your third? Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something. Cleveland was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lebron is great, but the rest of the team pretty much sucks.
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:04:21 GMT -5
Three good teams....I assume you have the Lakers and Boston. Who is your third? Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something. I'm confused. Which is it? Cleveland was one of the three best teams, or Lebron is great and he couldn't get to the finals because he has a shitty team?
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:06:15 GMT -5
Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something. I'm confused. Which is it? Cleveland was one of the three best teams, or Lebron is great and he couldn't get to the finals because he has a shitty team? My opinion would be that it is the latter.
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Post by badgersballers on Jun 4, 2009 22:08:02 GMT -5
Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something. Cleveland was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lebron is great, but the rest of the team pretty much sucks. Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe.
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:09:27 GMT -5
Cleveland was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lebron is great, but the rest of the team pretty much sucks. Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe. Mo Williams might be the only person on Cleveland that would start for the Lakers. The rest would be lucky to even see time off the bench.
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Post by ugatlien on Jun 4, 2009 22:10:49 GMT -5
Cleveland was still good. They just had a supporting cast that could not handle the pressure. The best record has to count for something. I'm confused. Which is it? Cleveland was one of the three best teams, or Lebron is great and he couldn't get to the finals because he has a shitty team? LeBron is good enough to make an average team great. Every other Cav fell well below expectations with their performances during the ECF though. When they provided decent contributions, the Cavs were an elite team.
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Post by badgersballers on Jun 4, 2009 22:12:27 GMT -5
Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe. Mo Williams might be the only person on Cleveland that would start for the Lakers. The rest would be lucky to even see time off the bench. Yeah, I don't know if Anderson Varejao would even start for another team in the NBA. Mo Williams is an overrated player, these guys were telling me how good he was because he was an All Star, but he put up the same stats in Milwaukee. He's a nice player, but he's nothing more then a 3rd scorer. Personally, I'd take Fischer over Williams though, but right now I'd rather have Lebron.
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:14:34 GMT -5
Cleveland was mostly smoke and mirrors. Lebron is great, but the rest of the team pretty much sucks. Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe. Or maybe, just maybe, Kobe (and some credit goes to the Triangle) actually does make players better? Ariza wasn't good enough to play for the freaking Knicks. Fisher was old and washed up with the Golden State Warriors. Walton would be the 8th or 9th guy for most teams. Maybe it is time to give some credit where it is due?
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:15:33 GMT -5
I'm confused. Which is it? Cleveland was one of the three best teams, or Lebron is great and he couldn't get to the finals because he has a shitty team? LeBron is good enough to make an average team great. Every other Cav fell well below expectations with their performances during the ECF though. When they provided decent contributions, the Cavs were an elite team. The regular season is totally different, especially when playing the Eastern conference teams 4 times. They were not elite. The playoffs indicated that. They played two teams that barely had a pulse and then when faced with 7 games against a solid opponent, they became exposed.
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:18:37 GMT -5
Lamar just carried about 5 times on one drive down the court.
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Post by badgersballers on Jun 4, 2009 22:20:57 GMT -5
Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe. Or maybe, just maybe, Kobe (and some credit goes to the Triangle) actually does make players better? Ariza wasn't good enough to play for the freaking Knicks. Fisher was old and washed up with the Golden State Warriors. Walton would be the 8th or 9th guy for most teams. Maybe it is time to give some credit where it is due? Really? Fisher averaged double figures with GS, and with Utah before coming back to LA. He definantly wasn't washed up, he was producing what he did for the most part with LA. Ariza actually played a decent amount with the Knicks. He played in 80 games his rookie season, and started 12, and played a few the next season before being traded. He had trouble coming off the bench with Orlando though. Walton wouldn't play much for most teams, but he doesn't play much for LA either. Honestly, you have to give credit to Kobe, but lets not act like he has a similar situation as Lebron. He has two good 7 foot big men inside in Gasol and Bynum. He has a Lamar Odom coming off the bench, can you seriously name another team where Odom wouldn't start?
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jun 4, 2009 22:21:18 GMT -5
we are veering from the rules of this thread i believe! jes sayin
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:21:19 GMT -5
Funny thing is I was talking to these guys I know who I went to HS with that were big NBA fans, and they know I hate the NBA. They were trying to convince me that Cleveland and LA had fairly equal supporting casts. Honestly, I'd take 3 or 4 guys from LA before I take Mo Williams, but then again these guys are people who absoloutly love Kobe. Or maybe, just maybe, Kobe (and some credit goes to the Triangle) actually does make players better? Ariza wasn't good enough to play for the freaking Knicks. Fisher was old and washed up with the Golden State Warriors. Walton would be the 8th or 9th guy for most teams. Maybe it is time to give some credit where it is due? I agree and disagree with some of the points. I do agree that Kobe does have a positive impact on his teammates. That being said, the guys that you mentioned are obviously part of the team and thus are worth mention, but guys like Gasol and Odom (when he shows up) are good players with or wtihout Kobe. I think the point is, pound for pound, the Lakers have more talent than Cleveland or any other team for that matter. On top of that, they have quite possibly the most dynamic offensive player in Kobe and they do feed off of him. Ariza is a surprise, Walton fits this system perfectly (more of a system thing with him) and Fisher wasn't washed up any where. It had more to do with his daughter's condition with why he came back to LA.
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Post by badgersballers on Jun 4, 2009 22:26:02 GMT -5
Or maybe, just maybe, Kobe (and some credit goes to the Triangle) actually does make players better? Ariza wasn't good enough to play for the freaking Knicks. Fisher was old and washed up with the Golden State Warriors. Walton would be the 8th or 9th guy for most teams. Maybe it is time to give some credit where it is due? I agree and disagree with some of the points. I do agree that Kobe does have a positive impact on his teammates. That being said, the guys that you mentioned are obviously part of the team and thus are worth mention, but guys like Gasol and Odom (when he shows up) are good players with or wtihout Kobe. I think the point is, pound for pound, the Lakers have more talent than Cleveland or any other team for that matter. On top of that, they have quite possibly the most dynamic offensive player in Kobe and they do feed off of him. Ariza is a surprise, Walton fits this system perfectly (more of a system thing with him) and Fisher wasn't washed up any where. It had more to do with his daughter's condition with why he came back to LA. Wouldn't is be just easier to say "I agree with BB."?
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Post by dpb13 on Jun 4, 2009 22:26:02 GMT -5
Or maybe, just maybe, Kobe (and some credit goes to the Triangle) actually does make players better? Ariza wasn't good enough to play for the freaking Knicks. Fisher was old and washed up with the Golden State Warriors. Walton would be the 8th or 9th guy for most teams. Maybe it is time to give some credit where it is due? Really? Fisher averaged double figures with GS, and with Utah before coming back to LA. He definantly wasn't washed up, he was producing what he did for the most part with LA. Ariza actually played a decent amount with the Knicks. He played in 80 games his rookie season, and started 12, and played a few the next season before being traded. He had trouble coming off the bench with Orlando though. Walton wouldn't play much for most teams, but he doesn't play much for LA either. Honestly, you have to give credit to Kobe, but lets not act like he has a similar situation as Lebron. He has two good 7 foot big men inside in Gasol and Bynum. He has a Lamar Odom coming off the bench, can you seriously name another team where Odom wouldn't start? Fisher comes back to LA and his FG% promptly jumps 5 points. Ariza averaged 5 points per game with the Knicks. Like I've said before, when Odom feels like it he's one of the best players in the NBA, when he doesn't....
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:27:41 GMT -5
Really? Fisher averaged double figures with GS, and with Utah before coming back to LA. He definantly wasn't washed up, he was producing what he did for the most part with LA. Ariza actually played a decent amount with the Knicks. He played in 80 games his rookie season, and started 12, and played a few the next season before being traded. He had trouble coming off the bench with Orlando though. Walton wouldn't play much for most teams, but he doesn't play much for LA either. Honestly, you have to give credit to Kobe, but lets not act like he has a similar situation as Lebron. He has two good 7 foot big men inside in Gasol and Bynum. He has a Lamar Odom coming off the bench, can you seriously name another team where Odom wouldn't start? Fisher comes back to LA and his FG% promptly jumps 5 points. Ariza averaged 5 points per game with the Knicks. Like I've said before, when Odom feels like it he's one of the best players in the NBA, when he doesn't.... Could it be that it's also a function that Ariza and Fisher are also on better teams than they were? Back to the game at hand, why is Kobe still in the game with 4 minutes to go?
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:28:08 GMT -5
I agree and disagree with some of the points. I do agree that Kobe does have a positive impact on his teammates. That being said, the guys that you mentioned are obviously part of the team and thus are worth mention, but guys like Gasol and Odom (when he shows up) are good players with or wtihout Kobe. I think the point is, pound for pound, the Lakers have more talent than Cleveland or any other team for that matter. On top of that, they have quite possibly the most dynamic offensive player in Kobe and they do feed off of him. Ariza is a surprise, Walton fits this system perfectly (more of a system thing with him) and Fisher wasn't washed up any where. It had more to do with his daughter's condition with why he came back to LA. Wouldn't is be just easier to say "I agree with BB."? Thought the same thing when i read your post.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jun 4, 2009 22:28:11 GMT -5
agree about Odom... talent coming out of his ears... drive comes out of his arse most of the time
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Post by tophb21 on Jun 4, 2009 22:29:12 GMT -5
Seriously, I don't usually question Phil, but give Kobe the rest. Too many risks and no upside to him still being in the game.
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Post by badgersballers on Jun 4, 2009 22:29:49 GMT -5
Really? Fisher averaged double figures with GS, and with Utah before coming back to LA. He definantly wasn't washed up, he was producing what he did for the most part with LA. Ariza actually played a decent amount with the Knicks. He played in 80 games his rookie season, and started 12, and played a few the next season before being traded. He had trouble coming off the bench with Orlando though. Walton wouldn't play much for most teams, but he doesn't play much for LA either. Honestly, you have to give credit to Kobe, but lets not act like he has a similar situation as Lebron. He has two good 7 foot big men inside in Gasol and Bynum. He has a Lamar Odom coming off the bench, can you seriously name another team where Odom wouldn't start? Fisher comes back to LA and his FG% promptly jumps 5 points. Ariza averaged 5 points per game with the Knicks. Like I've said before, when Odom feels like it he's one of the best players in the NBA, when he doesn't.... Yeah, but Ariza was far from struggling to get off the bench as you said in NYC. I'm not shocked Fisher's FG% rose by that much. He's playing with a top 15 player of All Time, and one of the best PF-C combos in the NBA. Of course Kobe makes his players better, I'm just saying that Lebron has a lot less then Lebron to work with. Like I said Varajao as your starting PF? LMFAO!
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