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Post by badgersballers on Jul 29, 2009 13:05:55 GMT -5
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 29, 2009 13:18:52 GMT -5
Damn
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 29, 2009 13:20:32 GMT -5
Wow this is huge news, although, I'm not sure where Francisco will play with Ibanez, Vicotrino, and Werth already out there, but still nice to have some insurance on the bench.
Go Phillies!! ;D
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Post by irish08 on Jul 29, 2009 14:23:55 GMT -5
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Post by BTB07 on Jul 29, 2009 15:54:32 GMT -5
Lee might be the best 7-9 pitcher that I have seen. This is a great get for the Phillies who I feel were a little thin in the rotation. This is a great deal for them.
I am not sure it makes them the runaway favorite in the NL with the way that the Dodgers have been playing, and with the acquisitions that the Cardinals have made.
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Post by scuzz on Jul 29, 2009 16:36:16 GMT -5
This should get the Phillies into the playoffs. They still need a solid RH starter though.
Their rotation now features 4 lefties and Blanton.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 29, 2009 18:26:46 GMT -5
This should get the Phillies into the playoffs. They still need a solid RH starter though. Their rotation now features 4 lefties and Blanton. They were going to make the playoffs w/out Lee. I actually like the 4 LH approach.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 29, 2009 18:27:57 GMT -5
Lee might be the best 7-9 pitcher that I have seen. This is a great get for the Phillies who I feel were a little thin in the rotation. This is a great deal for them. I am not sure it makes them the runaway favorite in the NL with the way that the Dodgers have been playing, and with the acquisitions that the Cardinals have made. To be honest, I'm not really worried about the Cards, but the Dodgers are certainly formidable. Great lineup and sollid starting pitching.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 30, 2009 2:47:58 GMT -5
Lee might be the best 7-9 pitcher that I have seen. This is a great get for the Phillies who I feel were a little thin in the rotation. This is a great deal for them. I am not sure it makes them the runaway favorite in the NL with the way that the Dodgers have been playing, and with the acquisitions that the Cardinals have made. To be honest, I'm not really worried about the Cards, but the Dodgers are certainly formidable. Great lineup and sollid starting pitching. That's what people said in 2006. Not that I'm really saying anything great about the Cards. Of course, all that is moot, because you'll have to be worrying about the Cubs.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 30, 2009 7:12:18 GMT -5
Buster was saying that the Phillies didn't give up any of the prospects that were key in the Halladay deal and are probably the third most likely team to get him. Wouldn't that be some shit?!!!
Sox will have to give up a ton to get Halladay if they want him.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 30, 2009 8:07:31 GMT -5
Buster was saying that the Phillies didn't give up any of the prospects that were key in the Halladay deal and are probably the third most likely team to get him. Wouldn't that be some shit?!!! Sox will have to give up a ton to get Halladay if they want him. I'd rather give up what they did for Cliff Lee than what they would have had to give up for Halladay. Halladay is a really good starter, but has no playoff experience and you never know how he'll react under the big lights. Not to say that Lee will be great in the postseason, but at least they weren't giving up Happ and Drabek to get him. I really like what Happ has been able to do and they might just send him to the bullpen for the playoffs.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 30, 2009 8:43:03 GMT -5
I agree with you that what they gave up for Lee... they got the better of the two deals... Busters point was that they could still pull the trigger on Halladay even after the Lee trade.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 30, 2009 10:02:51 GMT -5
Lee might be the best 7-9 pitcher that I have seen. This is a great get for the Phillies who I feel were a little thin in the rotation. This is a great deal for them. I am not sure it makes them the runaway favorite in the NL with the way that the Dodgers have been playing, and with the acquisitions that the Cardinals have made. To be honest, I'm not really worried about the Cards, but the Dodgers are certainly formidable. Great lineup and sollid starting pitching. , so the fact that the Cardinals have a better lineup and better pitching than the Dodgers makes you more afraid of them
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Post by badgersballers on Jul 30, 2009 12:48:10 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not really worried about the Cards, but the Dodgers are certainly formidable. Great lineup and sollid starting pitching. , so the fact that the Cardinals have a better lineup and better pitching than the Dodgers makes you more afraid of them I actually agree with MIZ-SIU kinda. I do think that LA has a better team, but the Cardinals can easily win the NL Pennant. When you have the best hitter in baseball, solid pitching, and a great manager you always have a shot.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 30, 2009 13:00:13 GMT -5
, so the fact that the Cardinals have a better lineup and better pitching than the Dodgers makes you more afraid of them I actually agree with MIZ-SIU kinda. I should bookmark this thread
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Post by badgersballers on Jul 30, 2009 16:54:57 GMT -5
I actually agree with MIZ-SIU kinda. I should bookmark this thread Yeah that does suck.....Hockey sucks, okay I feel better.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 30, 2009 19:36:35 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm not really worried about the Cards, but the Dodgers are certainly formidable. Great lineup and sollid starting pitching. , so the fact that the Cardinals have a better lineup and better pitching than the Dodgers makes you more afraid of them I wouldn't say you have a better lineup or better pitching than the Dodgers and as of now, the Dodgers have given the Phillies more problems.
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Post by bry716 on Jul 31, 2009 15:22:54 GMT -5
I like the Lee pickup for the Phils. They didn't have to give up too much for him like they would of had to do to get Halladay. Where is Francisco gonna play? Maybe he will spot start for Ibanez against left handed starting pitching. My only question for the Phils is, do they have too many lefties in the starting rotation now? Hammels, Happ, Lee and Moyer with Blanton being the only RHP. Will opposing teams just load up on right handed bats and will this hurt them in the postseason? It remains to be seen I guess.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 31, 2009 16:09:07 GMT -5
Buster was saying that the Phillies didn't give up any of the prospects that were key in the Halladay deal and are probably the third most likely team to get him. Wouldn't that be some shit?!!! Sox will have to give up a ton to get Halladay if they want him. I'd rather give up what they did for Cliff Lee than what they would have had to give up for Halladay. Halladay is a really good starter, but has no playoff experience and you never know how he'll react under the big lights. Not to say that Lee will be great in the postseason, but at least they weren't giving up Happ and Drabek to get him. I really like what Happ has been able to do and they might just send him to the bullpen for the playoffs. How much playoff experience does Lee even have? I'm leaning towards none
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 31, 2009 16:51:14 GMT -5
I'd rather give up what they did for Cliff Lee than what they would have had to give up for Halladay. Halladay is a really good starter, but has no playoff experience and you never know how he'll react under the big lights. Not to say that Lee will be great in the postseason, but at least they weren't giving up Happ and Drabek to get him. I really like what Happ has been able to do and they might just send him to the bullpen for the playoffs. Did he not play in the '07 playoffs? If not at least, they didn't give up the whole future for a rental for this year. How much playoff experience does Lee even have? I'm leaning towards none
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 31, 2009 16:56:51 GMT -5
No he did not, he was in AAA because of how horrible a season he was having. Did you forget about that terrible '07 he had? Remember, I believe he was a #4 starter going into the '08 season.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 31, 2009 19:16:44 GMT -5
No he did not, he was in AAA because of how horrible a season he was having. Did you forget about that terrible '07 he had? Remember, I believe he was a #4 starter going into the '08 season. That's what I was thinking. I've seen his '07 stats. However, you must admit he's pitched much differently since then. It doesn't really matter, as the Phils would beat the Cubs in the playoffs w/ or w/out them.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 31, 2009 19:54:39 GMT -5
No he did not, he was in AAA because of how horrible a season he was having. Did you forget about that terrible '07 he had? Remember, I believe he was a #4 starter going into the '08 season. That's what I was thinking. I've seen his '07 stats. However, you must admit he's pitched much differently since then. It doesn't really matter, as the Phils would beat the Cubs in the playoffs w/ or w/out them. You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 31, 2009 21:24:59 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking. I've seen his '07 stats. However, you must admit he's pitched much differently since then. It doesn't really matter, as the Phils would beat the Cubs in the playoffs w/ or w/out them. You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that. Yeah even the Cubs at full strength.
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Post by badgersballers on Jul 31, 2009 22:07:49 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking. I've seen his '07 stats. However, you must admit he's pitched much differently since then. It doesn't really matter, as the Phils would beat the Cubs in the playoffs w/ or w/out them. You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that. I have to do it, but I agree with toph. FUCK PSU!
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 31, 2009 22:14:46 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking. I've seen his '07 stats. However, you must admit he's pitched much differently since then. It doesn't really matter, as the Phils would beat the Cubs in the playoffs w/ or w/out them. You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that. You do realize the Cubs are the most cursed franchise in all of sports ;D
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Post by tophb21 on Aug 1, 2009 8:33:21 GMT -5
You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that. I have to do it, but I agree with toph. FUCK PSU! I know you feel dirty now. ;D On a side note. Cliff Lee throws a complete game 4 hitter for the win in his debut. Not a bad start.
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Post by gobigred203 on Aug 1, 2009 10:10:01 GMT -5
You mean the Cubs at full strength? I don't know quite yet about that. You do realize the Cubs are the most cursed franchise in all of sports ;D What's a curse?
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Post by gobigred203 on Aug 1, 2009 10:10:23 GMT -5
I have to do it, but I agree with toph. FUCK PSU! I know you feel dirty now. ;D On a side note. Cliff Lee throws a complete game 4 hitter for the win in his debut. Not a bad start. Against the Giants, just sayin'
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Post by tophb21 on Aug 1, 2009 10:45:27 GMT -5
I know you feel dirty now. ;D On a side note. Cliff Lee throws a complete game 4 hitter for the win in his debut. Not a bad start. Against the Giants, just sayin' Who are ahead of the Cubs in the WC race. Jes Sayin!
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