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Post by dougefresh on Jun 4, 2021 9:15:59 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Jun 4, 2021 9:57:12 GMT -5
A lot of speculation here. I still have my Larry Munson hat on. I am tired of all the talk. No one has any idea what injuries either team will have in August. Georgia's left tackle situation would have me concerned. Lots of talent but we have had talent the last 3 years as well. Schedule outside of 2 teams should be cakewalk. I want to see results that match all the recruiting hype.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 6:10:51 GMT -5
Clemson will miss him though. He was a contributor and the next guy up won't be as good in the opening game. I actually think Fred Davis will be better and they also have veteran Mario Goodrich back who has played a ton of snaps and headed out very well. Sheridan Jones is a year older as well and has played a lot. I think Davis is a future first rounder. Safety is a much bigger concern than corner for Clemson. The corner back room is fine and they also have Green but he played more nickel and hope he gets some safety reps in fall camp The front 7 being healthy is the key to helping the safeties. The DL should rival 2018 power rangers with the talent level they have Murphy, Bresee, Davis, XT, Foster, Henry, Capehart, Williams, and Orhorhoro will all rotate and all are NFL caliber talents. DL talent is ridiculous. Murphy is up to 280 pounds coming off the edge and XT is healthy and apparently had an awesome spring. No one talked about the injuries Clemson sustained their last year. Both expected starters at DE essentially missed the entire season and almost every DT outside of Bresee missed significant time and all but him and Davis were out for post season
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 6:13:02 GMT -5
Based on preseason rankings Clemson has a pretty easy schedule but you never know how those teams will be when they suit up. Pitt, NC State both have a chance to be solid teams this year and Satterfield is doing some good things at Louisville. Time will tell
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 5, 2021 7:05:32 GMT -5
It's not Clemson's fault the ACC is weak and then they drew the weakest teams. They scheduled UGA and USC as OOC games.
Schedule sets up perfectly for the playoffs. Open with a tough game, so the players will be focused all summer. Win or lose there will be film of mistakes to be fixed, and then 11 manageable games to work on those things. Finish with a solid team in the championship game, and they should be ready.
UGA has a mangeable schedule too.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 7:06:45 GMT -5
It's not Clemson's fault the ACC is weak and then they drew the weakest teams. They scheduled UGA and USC as OOC games. Schedule sets up perfectly for the playoffs. Open with a tough game, so the players will be focused all summer. Win or lose there will be film of mistakes to be fixed, and then 11 manageable games to work on those things. Finish with a solid team in the championship game, and they should be ready. UGA has a mangeable schedule too. Yeah but as a season ticket holder it is a shit home schedule on the surface
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 5, 2021 7:14:17 GMT -5
Clemson will miss him though. He was a contributor and the next guy up won't be as good in the opening game. I actually think Fred Davis will be better and they also have veteran Mario Goodrich back who has played a ton of snaps and headed out very well. Sheridan Jones is a year older as well and has played a lot. I think Davis is a future first rounder. Safety is a much bigger concern than corner for Clemson. The corner back room is fine and they also have Green but he played more nickel and hope he gets some safety reps in fall camp The front 7 being healthy is the key to helping the safeties. The DL should rival 2018 power rangers with the talent level they have Murphy, Bresee, Davis, XT, Foster, Henry, Capehart, Williams, and Orhorhoro will all rotate and all are NFL caliber talents. DL talent is ridiculous. Murphy is up to 280 pounds coming off the edge and XT is healthy and apparently had an awesome spring. No one talked about the injuries Clemson sustained their last year. Both expected starters at DE essentially missed the entire season and almost every DT outside of Bresee missed significant time and all but him and Davis were out for post season Right now I think UGA is going to try and get a lot of passing threats on the field and get Clemson in dime type coverage. UGA will try to force Clemson to cover the whole field plus be ready for some good old fashion power running between the tackles. If that's true, I think the most important things for Clemson will be setting the edge and having a hybrid guy that can play up on the line and also drop into coverage. Basically, UGA will try to keep Clemson from putting that front 7 on the field. I'm sure Venables is planning something.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 8:08:41 GMT -5
I actually think Fred Davis will be better and they also have veteran Mario Goodrich back who has played a ton of snaps and headed out very well. Sheridan Jones is a year older as well and has played a lot. I think Davis is a future first rounder. Safety is a much bigger concern than corner for Clemson. The corner back room is fine and they also have Green but he played more nickel and hope he gets some safety reps in fall camp The front 7 being healthy is the key to helping the safeties. The DL should rival 2018 power rangers with the talent level they have Murphy, Bresee, Davis, XT, Foster, Henry, Capehart, Williams, and Orhorhoro will all rotate and all are NFL caliber talents. DL talent is ridiculous. Murphy is up to 280 pounds coming off the edge and XT is healthy and apparently had an awesome spring. No one talked about the injuries Clemson sustained their last year. Both expected starters at DE essentially missed the entire season and almost every DT outside of Bresee missed significant time and all but him and Davis were out for post season Right now I think UGA is going to try and get a lot of passing threats on the field and get Clemson in dime type coverage. UGA will try to force Clemson to cover the whole field plus be ready for some good old fashion power running between the tackles. If that's true, I think the most important things for Clemson will be setting the edge and having a hybrid guy that can play up on the line and also drop into coverage. Basically, UGA will try to keep Clemson from putting that front 7 on the field. I'm sure Venables is planning something. Thing is Clemson doesn’t have to change personnel for that. Simpson at SAM/Nickel can cover as well as pass rush. They may put green at nickel in obvious passing downs but their front 7 has Spector and Simpson who are both good on coverage so no real DIME needed. Simpson is a bigger version of what they had in Simmons a few years ago hence why Jones transferred
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 5, 2021 8:21:48 GMT -5
Simmons is exactly the guy they need.
You are underestimating how hard it will be for a LB to cover Gilbert, Washington, or one of the speedy RBs, and they won't have to be prepared for it only on obvious passing downs. Keep in mind that there will be motion and shifts to try and get mismatches. None of this is unusual though. It's what Clemson will try to do to UGA also. Where UGA is going to test Clemson is being able to cover all those guys while still respecting the power run game. If Clemson's front 7 can cover those guys and handle the run the game is over.
That's the chess match when UGA has the ball, and Venables will have an answer. Should be great football.
One more thing, I mentioned setting the edge because when UGA pounds the ball into 5-6 man fronts there will be a tendency to cheat in a bit. If guys lose the edge then it's easy for the RB to get outside and take off. I'm sure Clemson's guys will be well coached and prepared, but it's one of the keys to stopping UGA.
One more thing again, If you go back and look at film, the way to stop UGA has been to stack the box. Even with Daniels going deep most teams still tried to stack the box. What I wrote above is because I think UGA is finally moving to what we saw Bama do last year. Pass catchers that make the defense respect the entire route tree, and then a RB who can catch the ball but also pound it.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 8:30:04 GMT -5
Oh I’m not underestimating it! I know it will be tough and know key is pressure with the front 4 with strategic blitzes to pressure Daniels and force him to make quick decisions. I’m not down playing Georgia’s talent at all
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jun 5, 2021 10:33:38 GMT -5
One can count on Venables bringing the heat. Georgia reminds me of the Houston Oilers way back when Pittsburgh was the power house. As Bum Phillips said, "We got to kick the door down." But the Oilers never did.
Georgia has to kick the door down - near misses don't accomplish the mission.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 13:58:16 GMT -5
One can count on Venables bringing the heat. Georgia reminds me of the Houston Oilers way back when Pittsburgh was the power house. As Bum Phillips said, "We got to kick the door down." But the Oilers never did. Georgia has to kick the door down - near misses don't accomplish the mission. No clue where Venables pressure was against OSU...I guess because of injuries and depth but he went way too many 3 men fronts. He didn’t attack them like he did Book on ACC title game. Clemson’s defense is at its best when they are in attack mode and alter QBs timing. Lots of time receivers are open but QB rushes it and throw is off. Hope they hit Daniels early and often
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jun 5, 2021 14:42:17 GMT -5
The way that LSU solved the problem was to spread the receivers with no backs in backfield. The pressure was intense, but Burrows made the reads. Not many QB's can do that.
I would take Venables in a heartbeat for a defensive coach.
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Post by 75tranzam on Jun 5, 2021 16:10:55 GMT -5
One can count on Venables bringing the heat. Georgia reminds me of the Houston Oilers way back when Pittsburgh was the power house. As Bum Phillips said, "We got to kick the door down." But the Oilers never did. Georgia has to kick the door down - near misses don't accomplish the mission. No clue where Venables pressure was against OSU...I guess because of injuries and depth but he went way too many 3 men fronts. He didn’t attack them like he did Book on ACC title game. Clemson’s defense is at its best when they are in attack mode and alter QBs timing. Lots of time receivers are open but QB rushes it and throw is off. Hope they hit Daniels early and often When you can’t steal signals you look pretty pedestrian...
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Post by cobrakai on Jun 5, 2021 16:28:02 GMT -5
One can count on Venables bringing the heat. Georgia reminds me of the Houston Oilers way back when Pittsburgh was the power house. As Bum Phillips said, "We got to kick the door down." But the Oilers never did. Georgia has to kick the door down - near misses don't accomplish the mission. If instant replay had been used then the Oilers would have kicked the SOB down.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jun 5, 2021 17:30:25 GMT -5
Bloop double - only one out. Wrong Thread. I moved it.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 5, 2021 19:56:35 GMT -5
No clue where Venables pressure was against OSU...I guess because of injuries and depth but he went way too many 3 men fronts. He didn’t attack them like he did Book on ACC title game. Clemson’s defense is at its best when they are in attack mode and alter QBs timing. Lots of time receivers are open but QB rushes it and throw is off. Hope they hit Daniels early and often When you can’t steal signals you look pretty pedestrian... Teams need to get better signals
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 7, 2021 7:49:22 GMT -5
The way that LSU solved the problem was to spread the receivers with no backs in backfield. The pressure was intense, but Burrows made the reads. Not many QB's can do that. I would take Venables in a heartbeat for a defensive coach. That's what I think UGA wants to do, but with a RB who is more like Najee Harris. Clemson's plan worked OK until Burrow started running it, and that's something I don't see Daniels doing. I do think Daniels can make the reads, but it's doubtful he can make the throws Burrow did. F'ing lasers. The key to what Clemson did was Simmons. That guy could play DE, LB, S, or CB, and play those spots at a high level. As far as stealing signs, I'm pretty sure everyone does something like that. I'm also pretty sure Kirby will be doing whatever OSU did to limit Venables.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 7, 2021 12:47:39 GMT -5
The way that LSU solved the problem was to spread the receivers with no backs in backfield. The pressure was intense, but Burrows made the reads. Not many QB's can do that. I would take Venables in a heartbeat for a defensive coach. That's what I think UGA wants to do, but with a RB who is more like Najee Harris. Clemson's plan worked OK until Burrow started running it, and that's something I don't see Daniels doing. I do think Daniels can make the reads, but it's doubtful he can make the throws Burrow did. F'ing lasers. The key to what Clemson did was Simmons. That guy could play DE, LB, S, or CB, and play those spots at a high level. As far as stealing signs, I'm pretty sure everyone does something like that. I'm also pretty sure Kirby will be doing whatever OSU did to limit Venables. Simpson will be used everywhere like Simmons was. And honestly with Skalski coming back and Spector paired with the young LB talent from last year this defense SHOULD be absolutely nasty. Losing Kendrick worries me zero. Dude just couldn’t play within the scheme and had way too many busts. Got away with it against lesser teams but when they played legit offenses they attacked him. All ACC is great and all but the media don’t even watch games. They just vote based on popularity and stats. Kendrick was a liability at times. And again I say that but also will say the potential to be great is there. He’s a talented SOB if he has his head on straight and is willing to work. No different than XT for Clemson. Talent is not the question...it’s the want to. If XT decides to be great he will dominate opposite Murphy and give Clemson the best DE combo they’ve had and that says a lot because Clemsons DE play has been elite
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jun 7, 2021 13:43:00 GMT -5
Great players with an attitude can hurt teams. A big heart sure helps one perform at a high level, IMO.
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Post by dougefresh on Jun 8, 2021 7:34:42 GMT -5
Both teams are stacked with talent and there really isn't a glaring weakness. Having said that, the weakest link on both defenses is the secondary and the strength is the front 7. That's why I think both offenses are going to scheme to get the opposition into dime coverage and lessen the effectiveness of the front 7. The 3 DL guys are staying, so it's going to be at LB/DE where we see the change and the most athletic LBs are going to stay. Is Skalski athletic enough?
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jun 8, 2021 7:36:35 GMT -5
This is the thread that keep giving!
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Post by athens on Jun 8, 2021 8:10:11 GMT -5
This is the thread that keep giving! And you've got almost 3 more months of it. You're welcome!
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 8, 2021 8:23:53 GMT -5
This is the thread that keep giving! It should! Huge game week 1...exciting and this is like the rivalry was in early 80s when both teams were powerhouses. Couldn’t ask for much more to get post Covid football ramped up.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jun 8, 2021 8:32:14 GMT -5
I would be shocked if both teams didn't win this game. You guys are that good.
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Post by athens on Jun 8, 2021 9:14:38 GMT -5
I would be shocked if both teams didn't win this game. You guys are that good. A lot depends on the fans. If they don't show up ready, both teams could lose...
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Post by bigdawgs on Jun 8, 2021 9:16:41 GMT -5
Well, it beats the hell out of some of the other stuff on other topics. At least it is a discussion about this board was supposed to be about.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jun 8, 2021 9:27:15 GMT -5
Well, it beats the hell out of some of the other stuff on other topics. At least it is a discussion about this board was supposed to be about. Agree, hence my first post about the thread that keeps giving.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jun 8, 2021 9:29:07 GMT -5
I would be shocked if both teams didn't win this game. You guys are that good. A lot depends on the fans. If they don't show up ready, both teams could lose... Very true but, by the enthusiasm of the fans here, that unlikely to happen. I mean, you guys are already talking about winning one game and then enjoy the cake walk to the CFP. The fans are ready!
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Post by nmerritt11 on Jun 9, 2021 7:33:08 GMT -5
A lot depends on the fans. If they don't show up ready, both teams could lose... Very true but, by the enthusiasm of the fans here, that unlikely to happen. I mean, you guys are already talking about winning one game and then enjoy the cake walk to the CFP. The fans are ready! No such thing as a cake walk but unless anyone else on the schedule for Clemson improves dramatically they will be double digit favorites in every other game. This could be Clemson’s best team and that’s saying a lot because that 2018 team was loaded with talent If Justyn Ross gets cleared this month it’s a game changer. Him in the slot is gonna be hell on defenses. All WR and TE 6’3 or bigger is a match up nightmare. Georgia is downplaying the loss of Pickens but he made Daniels look good a a lot with his circus catches and was a nightmare match up. I’m just not sure who becomes Georgia’s go to at receiver.
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