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Post by ghost on Aug 27, 2021 17:23:19 GMT -5
Kirby Hocutt said in an interview today that the Big12 would be moving forward with expansion after the news this week from the Pac12/Big/ACC...... No word on how many teams in this "rapid expansion" but it seems that they are not going to miss the opportunity to stay in their own league.
the 8 members currently would rather "be the king of their own court, rather than be the jester in others"..... Adding in 4-8 more teams is the plan....
This will expand the P5 footprint across the country and into some teams areas that will not be happy about it.
This could be a ploy to force action by the other P4.... to stop teams like Cinnci, Houston, Memphis, BYU, CSU, Tulsa, UCF, and Louisiana. ...... For example. that puts P5 schools right in the back yard of Ohio St, TAMU, TN, Utah, CU, OU, UF/FSU/Miami, LSU/Ark.......
And it would be a dang nice conference. Every P5 has "bottom feeders" in it... and that gets forgotten. Big10 has Rut/Maryland/Purdue/Illinois.....they have not been great..... SEC has SC, Vandy, UK,Ark, MSU which have all had some pretty bad years of late.... Pac has been pretty average across the board since the downfall of USC and Harbaogh left Stanford... but they are isolated pretty well on the west coast...adding in a P5 school in the states of Utah and Colorado would only isolate them further.
All in all... i would expect a lot of chatter the next couple months and if the "Alliance" doesn't change there minds and take in all 8 teams, a shotgun of offers to be sent out and all hell going to break loose.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Aug 27, 2021 18:05:01 GMT -5
IMO, expansion of the Big 12 would be the best avenue for all the remaining teams. Unless individual deals could be worked out - bringing other into the Big 12 seems the way to go.
Cinnci, Houston, Memphis and BYU would be four better than average teams. But do these teams want to join the Big 12?
Could get interesting - seeing what direction the Big 12 takes.
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Post by ghost on Aug 27, 2021 19:52:19 GMT -5
IMO, expansion of the Big 12 would be the best avenue for all the remaining teams. Unless individual deals could be worked out - bringing other into the Big 12 seems the way to go. Cinnci, Houston, Memphis and BYU would be four better than average teams. But do these teams want to join the Big 12? Could get interesting - seeing what direction the Big 12 takes. Right now ANY team will jump to the Big12. The outlook is more grim for the teams not in the Big12 after the announcement of the Alliance AND all of these teams are in the backyards of Major P5 teams that would fight to keep them down. The Auto bid removes any arguments. They don’t have it, the Big12 does..... which is why I figured the other 4 would try to kill the Big12 at all cost..... but it seems the Pac12 is trying to keep USC from leaving right now.... so they have to play chicken with the Big12. Adding 4-8 more teams from the central part of the country only hurts the Pac12..... it hurts everyone, but really hurts the Pac12 which would be the next in line to get poached if the Big12 survives.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 27, 2021 22:42:41 GMT -5
Can't wait!
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Post by CFF on Aug 28, 2021 6:22:09 GMT -5
IMO, expansion of the Big 12 would be the best avenue for all the remaining teams. Unless individual deals could be worked out - bringing other into the Big 12 seems the way to go. Cinnci, Houston, Memphis and BYU would be four better than average teams. But do these teams want to join the Big 12? Could get interesting - seeing what direction the Big 12 takes. Right now ANY team will jump to the Big12. The outlook is more grim for the teams not in the Big12 after the announcement of the Alliance AND all of these teams are in the backyards of Major P5 teams that would fight to keep them down. The Auto bid removes any arguments. They don’t have it, the Big12 does..... which is why I figured the other 4 would try to kill the Big12 at all cost..... but it seems the Pac12 is trying to keep USC from leaving right now.... so they have to play chicken with the Big12. Adding 4-8 more teams from the central part of the country only hurts the Pac12..... it hurts everyone, but really hurts the Pac12 which would be the next in line to get poached if the Big12 survives. If I were the Big 12 commissioner, this is what I would try to sell them to salvage my conference. I fear they they will go the way of the Big East though. Remember them?
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 8:47:43 GMT -5
USC is NOT leaving the PAC
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Post by tonythegator on Aug 28, 2021 8:49:48 GMT -5
USC is NOT leaving the PAC Well, nobody ever thought we would have two "UTs" in the SEC. You never know anymore. Could be two "USCs" in the future.
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 10:21:03 GMT -5
USC is NOT leaving the PAC That seems to depend on ND and if they pull the trigger to the BIG10 or ACC. I agree its far fetched but multiple reports say that USC is considering it.
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 10:26:10 GMT -5
USC is NOT leaving the PAC That seems to depend on ND and if they pull the trigger to the BIG10 or ACC. I agree its far fetched but multiple reports say that USC is considering it. about as much as the PAC wanting TUTU.... so, not at all
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 10:36:51 GMT -5
That seems to depend on ND and if they pull the trigger to the BIG10 or ACC. I agree its far fetched but multiple reports say that USC is considering it. about as much as the PAC wanting TUTU.... so, not at all reports show strong support for PAC12 expanding and TTU, OkSate, TCU all very strong in the talks....but "USC and UCLA don't want to expand at this time". Majority is on board with brining in Texas Tech
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Post by tonythegator on Aug 28, 2021 10:44:36 GMT -5
about as much as the PAC wanting TUTU.... so, not at all reports show strong support for PAC12 expanding and TTU, OkSate, TCU all very strong in the talks....but "USC and UCLA don't want to expand at this time". Majority is on board with brining in Texas Tech Well, truth be known, TUTU would probably be a good fit for the " Pussified Athletic Conference".
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 10:54:04 GMT -5
about as much as the PAC wanting TUTU.... so, not at all reports show strong support for PAC12 expanding and TTU, OkSate, TCU all very strong in the talks....but "USC and UCLA don't want to expand at this time". Majority is on board with brining in Texas Tech wrong again.... everyone voted against expansion Standing pat: Pac-12 decides it will not explore expansion LOCAL SPORTS by: RALPH RUSSO (AP) Posted: Aug 26, 2021 / 03:27 PM CDT / Updated: Aug 26, 2021 / 03:27 PM CDT FILE – In this Dec 18, 2020, file photo, Southern California quarterback Kedon Slovis (9) throws a pass during the second quarter of an NCAA college football Pac-12 Conference championship game in Los Angeles. About 16 starters return from last season’s Pac-12 South champions, led by third-year starting quarterback Kedon Slovis with USC’s usual wealth of skill-position talent around him. (AP Photo/Ashley Landis, File) SAN FRANCISCO, Calif (AP)–The Pac-12 said Thursday it will stand pat with its membership and not look to add schools to the 12-team conference, making it highly unlikely that the Big 12 schools being left behind by Texas and Oklahoma will find new Power Five homes. The announcement comes two days after the Pac-12, Atlantic Coast Conference and Big Ten pledged to work together on governance issues and scheduling agreements in football and basketball. The formation of a three-conference alliance was announced a little less than a month after the Southeastern Conference invited Texas and Oklahoma to join the league in 2025, which would coincide with the end of the Big 12’s current television contract. With Pac-12 expansion off the board, and both the ACC and Big Ten stating publicly that they are content with their current membership, the eight remaining Big 12 schools appear to have limited options beyond sticking together. MOST READ: ‘I think I almost cried.’ Above-average rent increases pricing renters out of Austin “The decision by Texas and Oklahoma led to significant instability in college athletics and I don’t think instability is good for college athletics, particularly given all the other issues that are facing us right now,” Pac-12 Commissioner George Kliavkoff told The Associated Press. “I think you heard my colleagues in the ACC and Big Ten agree with that position that we need to bring a stability back to college athletics.” The Pac-12 appears positioned to reap some of the benefits of expansion, such as games in the Central and Eastern time zones and exposure to new recruiting territory, through the alliance with the Big Ten and ACC. Kliavkoff had openly talked recently about how the conference had a group of athletic directors and university presidents analyzing the possibility of expansion, and that their work would be finished soon. Kilavkoff declined to say which schools had reached out to the Pac-12 about membership opportunities, or even how many. He said part of creating the stability the alliance is aiming for included coming to a quick and transparent decision on expansion. “ We did the work necessary to determine that we were happy with our current makeup and that we think we can thrive with 12,” Kilavkoff said. “It was a unanimous vote of our presidents and chancellors to stay at 12.”
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 10:54:50 GMT -5
reports show strong support for PAC12 expanding and TTU, OkSate, TCU all very strong in the talks....but "USC and UCLA don't want to expand at this time". Majority is on board with brining in Texas Tech Well, truth be known, TUTU would probably be a good fit for the " Pussified Athletic Conference". if they were to join, yes, it would become that...
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Post by tonythegator on Aug 28, 2021 11:07:43 GMT -5
Well, truth be known, TUTU would probably be a good fit for the " Pussified Athletic Conference". if they were to join, yes, it would become that... Already is.
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 11:09:56 GMT -5
if they were to join, yes, it would become that... Already is. nope...
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 11:18:48 GMT -5
the only reason the Pac has not been stripped for parts is because they are 2500 miles away and bat shit liberal crazy. You win nothing. You have not won a title since...... 20004 and apparently used illegal players to do so and got busted for it. You brought in a bottom feeder in Colorado that has now become a division champ contender... you brough in Utah from the MWC with is the same. The Pac12 likes there little island out west were they can complain about everything from afar... but given the chance to step up and get into real football they shy away .
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Post by tonythegator on Aug 28, 2021 11:24:28 GMT -5
Hee hee hee.
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 11:25:43 GMT -5
the only reason the Pac has not been stripped for parts is because they are 2500 miles away and bat shit liberal crazy. You win nothing. You have not won a title since...... 20004 and apparently used illegal players to do so and got busted for it. You brought in a bottom feeder in Colorado that has now become a division champ contender... you brough in Utah from the MWC with is the same. The Pac12 likes there little island out west were they can complain about everything from afar... but given the chance to step up and get into real football they shy away . when was the last time TUTU won a championship?
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 28, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -5
To Ghost. When was the last time anyone in the Big 12 won a National Championship excluding their temporary residents, Oklahoma and Texas? Also, what is this automatic bid you keep referring to?
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 14:06:27 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that he's now disparaging the PAC; a conference he was sure would beg TUTU to join a few days ago
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 14:42:37 GMT -5
the only reason the Pac has not been stripped for parts is because they are 2500 miles away and bat shit liberal crazy. You win nothing. You have not won a title since...... 20004 and apparently used illegal players to do so and got busted for it. You brought in a bottom feeder in Colorado that has now become a division champ contender... you brough in Utah from the MWC with is the same. The Pac12 likes there little island out west were they can complain about everything from afar... but given the chance to step up and get into real football they shy away . when was the last time TUTU won a championship? classic deflection. who give s fuck. move on Toll.. Washington and TTU have the same number AP national Titles... blah blah "1990-1991 we claimed them".... yeah who cares. fuck off
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 14:44:33 GMT -5
To Ghost. When was the last time anyone in the Big 12 won a National Championship excluding their temporary residents, Oklahoma and Texas? Also, what is this automatic bid you keep referring to? Not Auto bid.... they say the "autonomous 5" with equal voting privileges and inclusion as any of the other P5....
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 14:50:21 GMT -5
I doesn't matter... I have said from the benign i think the expansion of the Big12 is the best course.
If the PAc12 wanted to be serious and actually get a seat at the Table they should expand to match the other 3 14/16 team conferees. Its their loss. They need to take out the Big12 intruder to gain portion. It doesn't NOTHING for them to allow the Big12 to exist.
But the Big12 being aggressive and adding Houston, Cincy,UCF, BYU, Memphis, and sayCSU would hurt the PAC12.... once again making the the smallest of the P5 conferences....
no matter how you spin it.. they would have 12 teams... everyone else would have 14-16, have the better TV exposure, Time slots recruiting access etc.
The only loser here in this is the Pac12 honestly.
True, if the Pac12 asked TTU and any 1 or 3 others to join it would be nice, something new, and immutably place them as the Equal to the Big10 and ACC. (yes it would).....
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 14:52:36 GMT -5
On second thought.... i don't want to go to the Pac12 and see this kind of stadium attendance... yikes...
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 15:46:59 GMT -5
I doesn't matter... I have said from the benign i think the expansion of the Big12 is the best course.
If the PAc12 wanted to be serious and actually get a seat at the Table they should expand to match the other 3 14/16 team conferees. Its their loss. They need to take out the Big12 intruder to gain portion. It doesn't NOTHING for them to allow the Big12 to exist. But the Big12 being aggressive and adding Houston, Cincy,UCF, BYU, Memphis, and sayCSU would hurt the PAC12.... once again making the the smallest of the P5 conferences.... no matter how you spin it.. they would have 12 teams... everyone else would have 14-16, have the better TV exposure, Time slots recruiting access etc. The only loser here in this is the Pac12 honestly. True, if the Pac12 asked TTU and any 1 or 3 others to join it would be nice, something new, and immutably place them as the Equal to the Big10 and ACC. (yes it would)..... not exactly... ghost Ceasar **** ghost Avatar Posts: 6,141 Jul 21, 2021 at 2:30pm QuotelikePost OptionsPost by ghost on Jul 21, 2021 at 2:30pm LOL Texas has sucked for over a decade.... Fuck Texas. OU and Texas will become 9 win ceiling teams every year... but still get the $$$... But this is a play or NIL... they need the SEC TV deals or the donors to buy players. I just hop that when this happens.... Texas Tech, OkState, KU and KSU go to the Pac.... I don't care what happens to TCU and Baylor... they can join the AAC.... Good thing TTU is good in Baseball, Baseball, and other things... and is the closest to the Pac.. also opens up Texas without really intimidating anyone in the Pac... its a win win.
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 15:50:23 GMT -5
I hope that it could happen.. would be nice.. and i explained that... but the best case for College football would be to keep the Big12 if not all 8 find a home... to keep the teams and elevate the others since the current format leaves therewith no path to anything other than a NY6......
I would like to keep the Big12 for travel reasons and to keep the rivals we have... traveling 6 games a year to CA or Oregon would not really be ideal.. but would be great for the brand... Again would put the PAC12 in a firm contention every year with all the P5's minus SEC..
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 16:13:52 GMT -5
when was the last time TUTU won a championship? classic deflection. who give s fuck. move on Toll.. Washington and TTU have the same number AP national Titles... blah blah "1990-1991 we claimed them".... yeah who cares. fuck off been told AP titles are worthless (much like TUTU)... Washington has a crystal football, TUTU has tortillas
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Post by ghost on Aug 28, 2021 17:07:47 GMT -5
classic deflection. who give s fuck. move on Toll.. Washington and TTU have the same number AP national Titles... blah blah "1990-1991 we claimed them".... yeah who cares. fuck off been told AP titles are worthless (much like TUTU)... Washington has a crystal football, TUTU has tortillas For $14.99 TTU can have a Crystal ball to. its not hard to make your own trophies.
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Post by bilogle on Aug 28, 2021 17:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by CFF on Aug 28, 2021 17:46:58 GMT -5
Not true, they won the meat judging MNC.
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