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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:12:08 GMT -5
Good move, he's terrible for a locker room.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 0:14:54 GMT -5
Maybe, but he was the best receiver they had. Cowboys now suck on offense.
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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:15:28 GMT -5
Maybe, but he was the best receiver they had. Cowboys now suck on offense. Crayton? Roy Williams?
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 0:15:42 GMT -5
And I bet that if Owens played for the Colts or Chargers or Patriots you wouldn't hear a word about him. The guy has a mouth for days but talent to back it up.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 0:16:39 GMT -5
Crayton can't catch a cold buck naked dripping wet in the winter time. Roy Williams isn't half the receiver Owens is. He was already surpassed by Calvin Johnson in Detroit after 2 years.
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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:16:50 GMT -5
And I bet that if Owens played for the Colts or Chargers or Patriots you wouldn't hear a word about him. The guy has a mouth for days but talent to back it up. WERay, your a cowboys fan?
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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:17:48 GMT -5
Crayton can't catch a cold buck naked dripping wet in the winter time. Roy Williams isn't half the receiver Owens is. He was already surpassed by Calvin Johnson in Detroit after 2 years. They also have Jason Witten, I still think they're solid on offense. Not having him around I think helps the team more then him catching 100 balls a year.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 0:18:59 GMT -5
I live in San Antonio so I see them every Sunday even if I didn't want to. But I'm not a Cowboys fan. I'm not nearly that obnoxious, lol.
Witten is money. Crayton and Williams are not.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 0:19:51 GMT -5
Going to sleep now, BB. Don't worry, plenty of other people will agree with you on this board about how Owens 'sucks' and so forth.
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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:20:21 GMT -5
I live in San Antonio so I see them every Sunday even if I didn't want to. But I'm not a Cowboys fan. I'm not nearly that obnoxious, lol. Witten is money. Crayton and Williams are not. Who are you a fan of then, besides being a Auburn fan? They still have a solid running game, and even though Romo struggles in the playoffs, and in big games long run it will be better.
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Post by badgersballers on Mar 5, 2009 0:21:24 GMT -5
Going to sleep now, BB. Don't worry, plenty of other people will agree with you on this board about how Owens 'sucks' and so forth. I don't think he sucks....I think he's a great player, thats also a distraction to the team. If he kept his mouth closed, I'd take him a heartbeat, he doesn't do that though, and thats why I wouldn't want him.
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Mar 5, 2009 1:11:26 GMT -5
I agree with Goose.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 3:57:03 GMT -5
As a Cowboys fan, I think this is a good move. He is a great player, but damn if he isn't a team destroyer. Did he catch a lot of balls and touchdowns in his first season in Dallas? Sure. Does that make him so valuable an asset to the team that he shouldn't be cut if he is a distraction and destroys a locker rooms chemistry? Nope. I'm ready to see which team he will blow up next. Cowboys have 10 or 11 wins next season...
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Post by donaufan on Mar 5, 2009 7:26:58 GMT -5
My wife is a Cowboys fan and she hates him, I am sure this will make her happy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 8:12:06 GMT -5
Roy Williams was a Pro Bowler just 2 seasons ago with Jon Kitna as his QB... He's a big time WR... but T.O. was the best one they had.... I can't imagine the Cowboys being better without him... less dramatic=sure... better on the field=not a chance...
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Post by raleighrebel on Mar 5, 2009 8:27:46 GMT -5
i bet the giants sign him
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Post by poejoe8 on Mar 5, 2009 8:41:21 GMT -5
I'm not a Cowboy nor a TO fan, so I hate to see him go. his skills r diminishing & no other team wanted to trade for him. the guy's a drama queen & his act was old.
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Post by thepruitt21 on Mar 5, 2009 9:00:54 GMT -5
Didn't he lead the league in drops last year?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 9:32:21 GMT -5
Braylon Edwards led the league in drops...
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Post by osubob on Mar 5, 2009 9:35:51 GMT -5
Braylon Edwards led the league in drops... yeah i know
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Post by gatordynasty on Mar 5, 2009 9:38:53 GMT -5
Roy Williams was a Pro Bowler just 2 seasons ago with Jon Kitna as his QB... He's a big time WR... but T.O. was the best one they had.... I can't imagine the Cowboys being better without him... less dramatic=sure... better on the field=not a chance... I wouldn't go that far. I guess it depends on the definition of better. You don't think the whole thing with Witten supposedly talking sh*t about Owens behind his back had any effect on the team? It essentially split the team in half with Romo and Witten on one side and TO et al. on the other. They went from perceived NFC favorites to out of the playoffs. Without that distraction I think they at least make the playoffs. So maybe without Owens they average less points or change their style of play, but I think they're better overall. And as great as Owens is (and he is very, very good), has he ever carried a team? He's never led his team far and he's been to the playoffs several times on great teams and didn't go anywhere (he didn't lead Philly to the SB, he was hurt and came back for the SB). Now that's not necessarily all his fault, but what exactly is Owens doing to put a championship on the mantle? I don't think his immense talent is worth the distraction honestly.
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Post by IrishNY on Mar 5, 2009 9:43:25 GMT -5
i bet the giants sign him NO!
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Post by poejoe8 on Mar 5, 2009 9:50:49 GMT -5
I can't see Coughlin taking a chance on TO after what he had with Plax.
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Post by IrishNY on Mar 5, 2009 9:57:44 GMT -5
I can't see Coughlin taking a chance on TO after what he had with Plax. Yea, I agree. It'll be interesting to see where TO winds up.
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Post by csd10 on Mar 5, 2009 10:18:08 GMT -5
T.O. is definitely very talented, but he is a cancer to a team. He also hasn't proven that having him on your team translates to success. Hell, the only team of his that ever made it to a Super Bowl did so without him in the playoffs. He's had some great numbers in his carreer, but he has also benefited (despite what T.O. himself might say) from playing with some good QBs in Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, Donovan McNabb and Romo (not as good as the others, IMO, but not horrible).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2009 11:08:49 GMT -5
Roy Williams was a Pro Bowler just 2 seasons ago with Jon Kitna as his QB... He's a big time WR... but T.O. was the best one they had.... I can't imagine the Cowboys being better without him... less dramatic=sure... better on the field=not a chance... I wouldn't go that far. I guess it depends on the definition of better. You don't think the whole thing with Witten supposedly talking sh*t about Owens behind his back had any effect on the team? It essentially split the team in half with Romo and Witten on one side and TO et al. on the other. They went from perceived NFC favorites to out of the playoffs. Without that distraction I think they at least make the playoffs. So maybe without Owens they average less points or change their style of play, but I think they're better overall. And as great as Owens is (and he is very, very good), has he ever carried a team? He's never led his team far and he's been to the playoffs several times on great teams and didn't go anywhere (he didn't lead Philly to the SB, he was hurt and came back for the SB). Now that's not necessarily all his fault, but what exactly is Owens doing to put a championship on the mantle? I don't think his immense talent is worth the distraction honestly. I understand... and you make some good points.. but to say he never led a team? He had like 150 yards in the Super Bowl with a broken leg..while the "leader" of that team was puking in the huddle and was disoriented during the potential game winning drive... I'm not a fan of T.O... just find it questionable to say any team is better ON THE FIELD w/o him...
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Post by gatordynasty on Mar 5, 2009 11:29:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't go that far. I guess it depends on the definition of better. You don't think the whole thing with Witten supposedly talking sh*t about Owens behind his back had any effect on the team? It essentially split the team in half with Romo and Witten on one side and TO et al. on the other. They went from perceived NFC favorites to out of the playoffs. Without that distraction I think they at least make the playoffs. So maybe without Owens they average less points or change their style of play, but I think they're better overall. And as great as Owens is (and he is very, very good), has he ever carried a team? He's never led his team far and he's been to the playoffs several times on great teams and didn't go anywhere (he didn't lead Philly to the SB, he was hurt and came back for the SB). Now that's not necessarily all his fault, but what exactly is Owens doing to put a championship on the mantle? I don't think his immense talent is worth the distraction honestly. I understand... and you make some good points.. but to say he never led a team? He had like 150 yards in the Super Bowl with a broken leg..while the "leader" of that team was puking in the huddle and was disoriented during the potential game winning drive... I'm not a fan of T.O... just find it questionable to say any team is better ON THE FIELD w/o him... Goose, my point on the SB issue was that Philly made the Superbowl without out him, not his performance in the game. Never before has he led a team through the playoffs to the promised land (a la Fitzgerald) and he can't complain one iota about being on sh*tty teams. And every single team he has been on ended up getting screwed up by him too. Is it all just coincidence? And he is probably better than every WR in the league except for 3-4 and so on the field, yes a team might be better for a game. That's the key issue in my mind though. Take any single game and insert TO there and you can say the team is better. However the NFL season is not just 16+ individual instances of game time. It's 4+ months of teams practicing, playing, and sacrificing together and I think TO makes a team worse over that period. So ON THE FIELD, I think you're right. As far as having a cohesive championship team, at best I don't think he hurts them slightly.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 11:29:41 GMT -5
The funny thing to me is this year ESPN basically made up anything Owens did. 'Sources report that Owens and Witten got into a fist fight outside the stadium'. Um, no. That was very clearly to drum up news on a slow day. Let's cue up some footage of Owens shouting on the sideline! We don't know what he's saying but it looks like he's yelling at teammates in a game where people yell on the sideline all the time! Now let's cue him dropping passes even though he never led the league in drops with the Cowboys (guess what, Darrell Jackson led the league 2 years ago. Ironically, no one really tracks dropped passes so people just believe ESPN when they say this shit).
I have no dog in this hunt. The only team I actively root for is Auburn. TO definitely helped make this bed. But damn if ESPN is grabbing him and nailing to him while telling the world that he's lying in it.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 11:31:02 GMT -5
Stop GD. No one was talking about Larry Fitzgerald leading anybody anywhere before this year. TO has done more thus far than Larry Fitzgerald has.
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Post by wareagleray on Mar 5, 2009 11:33:50 GMT -5
One more thing. Out of the blue last night ESPN asks Michael Smith (is that his name), the guy who reported this whether TO should be in the hall of fame (how this has anything to do with anything I don't know) to which he basically says, "The numbers support it, but because he caused drama I'd say no."
Wow. A guy that's never had any off the field altercations and plays the game clean with his number doesn't deserve the hall because 'he caused drama'? Seriously?
Then one of the anchors chimes in "TO needs to do some self searching." Um, thanks Dr. Phil.
That was just a disgusting few minutes of broadcasting. Two people surmising on things they have no clue about.
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