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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 5, 2009 21:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by badgersballers on Jul 5, 2009 22:34:21 GMT -5
I think that the one player per team rule should be thrown out the window IMO. Trevor Hoffman and Yovani Gallardo should be playing in the game.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 5, 2009 22:46:55 GMT -5
Gallardo should be in over Marquis but I do think they made the right choice with Hoffman. Too many good relievers in the NL
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Post by badgersballers on Jul 5, 2009 23:15:29 GMT -5
Gallardo should be in over Marquis but I do think they made the right choice with Hoffman. Too many good relievers in the NL He had better numbers then Broxton.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 5, 2009 23:28:22 GMT -5
I think the worst decision was Wakefield. Millwood or Weaver should have made it over him
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 6, 2009 7:22:51 GMT -5
I think that the one player per team rule should be thrown out the window IMO. Trevor Hoffman and Yovani Gallardo should be playing in the game. Johnny Cueto has priority over Gallardo, he should be in instead of Jason Marquis or even Johan Santana. Despite Santana's talent, his struggles of late have been messing w/ Santana's numbers. I'm actually surprised Pittsburgh's rep was Freddy Sanchez instead of Zach Duke. Duke kinda got ripped off in my opinion. As for Trevor Hoffman, yeah, it's very close. I didn't realize how good a year Cordero was having, otherwise I would've suggested Hoffman over Cordero..
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 6, 2009 7:28:20 GMT -5
I think the worst decision was Wakefield. Millwood or Weaver should have made it over him Close behind is Pedroia starting the game and Beckett being selected. Freakin' Red Sox love.. I swear, if Pedroia wins the MVP award again I might just have to fire the selection people myself. Once again, the fan voting ruining the game. Agreed Jered Weaver should be in the game. Also, despite being quite possibly the greatest closer to play the game, Mariano Rivera isn't having as good a year as David Aardsma, and I kinda wish the Mariner closer could've gotten some love. Kevin Millwood over Justin Verlander is something I could've lived with also. I wonder what Joe Maddon was thinking when he chose some of these people.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 6, 2009 7:34:37 GMT -5
One or two more gripes. Mark DeRosa was victimized by the league switch and Curtis Granderson? over his teammate Brandon Inge? OK, I think I'm done..
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 6, 2009 14:02:29 GMT -5
I think the worst decision was Wakefield. Millwood or Weaver should have made it over him disagree Wakefield is tied for wins in the AL, on pace for 20 wins... plus, the main purpose of this game is marketing... and what better story than Wake making his first all-star appearance.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 6, 2009 14:15:22 GMT -5
I think the worst decision was Wakefield. Millwood or Weaver should have made it over him disagree Wakefield is tied for wins in the AL, on pace for 20 wins... plus, the main purpose of this game is marketing... and what better story than Wake making his first all-star appearance. His ERA is 4.30. Not an allstar but he plays for the Red Sox so he makes the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2009 19:31:47 GMT -5
I think that the one player per team rule should be thrown out the window IMO. I agree... it's the ALL STAR team... pick the best 20 (or whatever) guys and play the game.... Home field in the World Series should not come down to an at-bat b/n Tim Wakefield and Freddy Sanchez....
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 1:58:07 GMT -5
I think the worst decision was Wakefield. Millwood or Weaver should have made it over him disagree Wakefield is tied for wins in the AL, on pace for 20 wins... plus, the main purpose of this game is marketing... and what better story than Wake making his first all-star appearance. Don't care, the game means something now, Wakefield doesn't deserve it. Wins mean nothing, worst decision of the game, behind, can't believe I missed this, the fans voting Josh Hamilton, a man who has spent just about the majority of the year on the DL.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 1:59:44 GMT -5
I think that the one player per team rule should be thrown out the window IMO. I agree... it's the ALL STAR team... pick the best 20 (or whatever) guys and play the game.... Home field in the World Series should not come down to an at-bat b/n Tim Wakefield and Freddy Sanchez.... Too bad Joe Maddon is too much of a dunce to realize this..
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 7, 2009 7:26:43 GMT -5
I don't think Tim Wakefield is that bad of a decision that he doesn't belong... I mean, how is he that far off the roster that he is the "WORST" decision?
Its weird that you say wins mean nothing... the game is played to win the game.
And yes, the world revolves around the Red Sox... get used to it.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 7, 2009 14:54:56 GMT -5
To be fair any halfway decent starter can win games with the Red Sox lineup protecting them
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 7, 2009 16:37:17 GMT -5
To be fair any halfway decent starter can win games with the Red Sox lineup protecting them if the lineup is that much better, why are there only 3 Sox non-pitchers on the all-star team. I'm not saying that they don't have a good lineup, but I don't think that its the best in baseball!!! I disagree whole heartedly that Red Sox players get preferential treatment when it comes to the All-Star game... next you will be saying that Jason Bay, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis don't deserve to make the team (not directed at anyone... just frustrated). There are as many people that love to hate the Sox, as love the Sox... probably more people that love to hate them.
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Post by MIZ-SIU on Jul 7, 2009 17:34:43 GMT -5
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this brad. My final thought though is that if Wakefield was on pretty much any other team he would not have 10 wins
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Post by BTB07 on Jul 7, 2009 17:57:16 GMT -5
I am just going to say that I don't think Wakefield should be on the team. I don't think a guy who throws a 67 MPH knuckle ball as one of the 10 best pitchers in the AL. If it is not windy and it doesn't tumble right it is easier to hit than batting practice. That is why sometimes he goes 8 innings and gives up 0 or 1 run, and other times he goes 4 innings and gives up 6 runs.
Don't have a huge problem with the rosters though. A couple of guys could make a case, but not one that is so good that I would really complain.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 23:48:33 GMT -5
I don't think Tim Wakefield is that bad of a decision that he doesn't belong... I mean, how is he that far off the roster that he is the "WORST" decision? Its weird that you say wins mean nothing... the game is played to win the game. And yes, the world revolves around the Red Sox... get used to it. When I say "wins mean nothing" wins are a slight indicator of how well a pitcher is performing. Would you rather have a pitcher who is 9-4 w/ an ERA above 5 or a 5-5 pitcher w/ an ERA near 3? Offense, defense, every facet of the game applies to a win, not JUST the pitcher. How the pitcher performs is important, but win total isn't really an important stat when indicating how well a pitcher is doing.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 23:50:04 GMT -5
To be fair any halfway decent starter can win games with the Red Sox lineup protecting them if the lineup is that much better, why are there only 3 Sox non-pitchers on the all-star team. I'm not saying that they don't have a good lineup, but I don't think that its the best in baseball!!! I disagree whole heartedly that Red Sox players get preferential treatment when it comes to the All-Star game... next you will be saying that Jason Bay, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis don't deserve to make the team (not directed at anyone... just frustrated). There are as many people that love to hate the Sox, as love the Sox... probably more people that love to hate them. Well...Dustin Pedroia doesn't deserve to make the team, just saying, kinda like how he didn't deserve the MVP last year. I don't hate the Sox, it's just coincidental that many of the undeserving players happen to play for the Sox.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 23:50:22 GMT -5
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this brad. My final thought though is that if Wakefield was on pretty much any other team he would not have 10 wins Especially the Cubs..
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 7, 2009 23:51:41 GMT -5
Well, btb, we now know that a deserving Miguel Cabrera won't make the team..
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 8, 2009 7:48:28 GMT -5
if the lineup is that much better, why are there only 3 Sox non-pitchers on the all-star team. I'm not saying that they don't have a good lineup, but I don't think that its the best in baseball!!! I disagree whole heartedly that Red Sox players get preferential treatment when it comes to the All-Star game... next you will be saying that Jason Bay, Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis don't deserve to make the team (not directed at anyone... just frustrated). There are as many people that love to hate the Sox, as love the Sox... probably more people that love to hate them. Well...Dustin Pedroia doesn't deserve to make the team, just saying, kinda like how he didn't deserve the MVP last year. I don't hate the Sox, it's just coincidental that many of the undeserving players happen to play for the Sox. I guess we too, will agree to disagree.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 8, 2009 8:40:19 GMT -5
I don't get too much into the All Star game anymore. Might watch an inning or two and that's about it.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 8, 2009 15:01:23 GMT -5
Well...Dustin Pedroia doesn't deserve to make the team, just saying, kinda like how he didn't deserve the MVP last year. I don't hate the Sox, it's just coincidental that many of the undeserving players happen to play for the Sox. I guess we too, will agree to disagree. Oh..you think Pedroia deserves to be an All-Star?
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jul 9, 2009 10:19:59 GMT -5
doesn't seem far fetched to me...
the top 6 2B are separated by .009 in batting average, and as the lead off hitter for the red sox... his OBP is well above any other 2B, which is what he is asked to do this year. If you can show me why he is such a terrible choice, I would be happy to take back that he belongs.
Aaron Hill by far deserves the starting nod... but I don't see that Pedroia is a terrible choice.
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Post by gobigred203 on Jul 14, 2009 2:06:40 GMT -5
Well, the following is a moot point since Pedroia has taken himself out of the All-Star Game, giving Aaron Hill the start.
Little Dusty actually caught fire the last two weeks before the All-Star break, making it tougher to argue against him, other than the fact there are more deserving players who have been playing better than Pedroia. Being an All-Star shouldn't just be about playing your role, otherwise you'd see #5 in the rotation starters in the game because they play their role the best. Look at guys like Ben Zobrist (his OPS is 1.012) and Robinson Cano (who's doing slightly better than Dusty). Like I said, over the last week or so, Pedroia's average has really received a boost from the recent hot streak he's been on, but when the selection was made, guys like Hill, Zobrist, and Cano were much more deserving.
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