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Post by redstick13 on Jul 4, 2007 1:19:59 GMT -5
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Post by Pirate Joe on Jul 4, 2007 6:20:58 GMT -5
I agree it is the best....The Auburn - Alabama fans on here get along pretty good though. There are good natured jabs. There are some extreme Alabama and Auburn homers over on the CBS..
In 1989 I went to the Alabama - Penn St game in Pennsylvania. I was tailgating with an Auburn hat on. I was there to actually cheer on Alabama and sitting with a couple of Penn St alum. I had Alabama fans throw beer at me, spit at me, yell at me. They didn't like an Auburn fan there at ALL...
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Jul 4, 2007 6:24:25 GMT -5
What happened to Fla/ FSU? I woulda said that after.....WVU/ UL.
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Post by redstick13 on Jul 4, 2007 8:12:07 GMT -5
What happened to Fla/ FSU? I woulda said that after.....WVU/ UL. Probably too recent. Auburn/Alabama have been spilling each other's blood since Bama fielded all those skinny white guys.
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Post by bilogle on Jul 4, 2007 10:10:15 GMT -5
polls like this are nice, but hardly represent a true view of what a rivalry game is..... the best rivalry is Army-Navy...... while the others listed are great games they really do not generate much interest outside of the geographical areas in which they are played..... on the other hand, the Army-Navy game is truly a worldwide spectacle..... step into almost any bar nationwide (and further) and see the veterans crowded around the screen to watch this classic, the vast majority of whom have never set foot on either campus. but are alumni of the service itself...... and add that there is seldom any hatred shown between the combatants or spectators.... this is what a true rivalry is about, not senseless violence
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Post by 96Ag on Jul 4, 2007 10:34:54 GMT -5
I think they have the wrong rival for Texas Listed
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 11:48:29 GMT -5
well that is a$$ backwards. must have been one of those polls that people in the north were actually at work and everyone down south was bbqing and playing on the internet... go blue
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Post by Life's too short. on Jul 4, 2007 13:28:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd have to go with Notre Dame/USC for duration, history and national significance. You Alabama/Auburn fans need to take what you feel about ND now and add to that the element of playing them every year with a slew of national titles and Heisman players thrown in the mix.
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Post by bbwvfan on Jul 4, 2007 14:52:36 GMT -5
And the Army vs Navy game isn't listed among the top 5? How does that not make the list?
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 14:53:37 GMT -5
quit it sadovin it has to be osu michigan i mean michigan nd or nd army are bigger rivarly games over usc nd they are more into the michigan games because every year it is for the best record all time or the all time winning percentage and it is only three games apart all time between michigan and nd. plus they are using tom brady as one of there main recruiting advantages charlie weiss shows off his three super bowl rings and we as in the u of m let the recruits know he came from michigan and was breed a winner there and not by charlie and the chocolate factory had little to do with it. and with southbend being only like one hour from ann arbor i think makes it more of a rivarly than usc nd is. just my opinion and that doesnt mean much since i am only a serf right? who is fresnos main rivals i am being serious he this is not a joke. i dont know much about frenso except pat hill and those wicked pork chops for facial hair. go blue and destroy nd again 47- 21 in there house last year was priceless worst home defeat in like 70 years. touchdown jesus cant save you anymore luck of the wolverines baby...
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 14:58:15 GMT -5
the navy army game isnt on there probably cause they both suck anymore and since roger staulbach was there the teams are pretty non interesting. i mean navy runs four plays a game run right, option left or right, full back up the middle and last but not least a qb option. it is just not very competitive football anymore. i mean they have played 125 times and 88 of the games have meant nothing to the college football standings or national title scene. go blue and navy please beat notre lame once before i die.
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Jul 4, 2007 16:08:46 GMT -5
And the Army vs Navy game isn't listed among the top 5? How does that not make the list? That would have to make anyone's top 2 or 3.
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Jul 4, 2007 16:10:16 GMT -5
But to the schools....Army / Navy has to be big. When talking rivalry....it's the fans passion that makes it such.
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 17:06:38 GMT -5
it is a cute little rivalry but that is about it i mean would anyone actually watch it over the iron bowl, osu Michigan, Washington and Washington state, or Oregon and Oregon state, i mean a couple of those games aren't even that highly regarded as big rivalry games but i would rather see them then army and navy. hell i would rather see navy try and try again for like fifty straight times to beat nd cause at least that would bring me some happiness you see. go blue
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Post by Pirate Joe on Jul 4, 2007 17:09:58 GMT -5
Usually there is no other game on and being played during Army Navy...They plan it like that.
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 19:02:57 GMT -5
and still the ratings suck and are below average why is that? cause it is all a fake made up top five rivalry cause they are academies i personally think. and like i have said before my two cents dont count for crap about this subject just my thought that is it. i just think it is more political cause of what they have done or may do for our country and i think what they do in battle is great just not on the gridiron.
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Post by Life's too short. on Jul 4, 2007 19:12:33 GMT -5
quit it sadovin it has to be osu michigan i mean michigan nd or nd army are bigger rivarly games over usc nd You're letting a lack of football knowledge outside your region show on this one. Go see how many times the winner of the USC/ND game went on to win the national championship and how many Heisman winners have played in the USC/ND games and compare it to any other matchup. The matchup has been weaker recently because of ND's recent turmoil, but that doesn't change the history. There's not much love between USC and ND fans, but there's tons of respect. South Bend actually had to expand their airport to accommodate people flying in from around the world for this one. The last time USC played ND in South Bend, Condolezza Rice was there with foreign dignitaries and I believe there was a King from someplace there in addition to a lot of other high profile people. The fact that you think Michigan/ND or Army/ND are bigger shows you haven't been watching the sport on a national scale. Army/ND isn't even close. Here's some info on the rivalry from national sources (if you only read one, read the last on this list): Sports Illustrated sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/john_walters/10/12/inside.cfb/index.htmlABC Sports espn.go.com/abcsports/s/notredameuscgreatestgames.htmlMSNBC Sports www.ndnation.com/blog/2006/07/notre-dames-greatest-rival.htmlWikipedia write up on all ND rivalries en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre_Dame_Fighting_Irish_football_rivalries...and the absolute most important to read to get it, this blog from a writer on the NDNation website:www.ndnation.com/blog/2006/07/notre-dames-greatest-rival.html
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 19:42:39 GMT -5
i am just going by the notre dame fans i am friends with or know. and i will tell you they would rather win against michigan and regain the number one record and winning percentage over beating usc. i think they have accepted losing to usc and the pete carrol jugernaut they have going right now. but it is not ok to lose to the u of m i live only three hours from michigan and south bend and i think you are looking in to this more then you should. the year before charlie came they lost to michigan 38-0 and got creamed by usc also. but when charlie was pumping his team up and needed some motivation it was the michigan game that was plastered all over there locker room and bullitein boards not the usc game score. plus we are two huge rivals when it comes to recruiting the same players i may be wrong but instead of getting all defensive maybe we could have some notre dame fans input on this. i am just a fan of college football and i am not biased cause of were i live i just believe if you asked nd fans what game means more the would say michigan. ask ron paulus and his temper tantrem after his senior year crying on nation television about how his career was over and the season was ruined. i think maybe you may be a little bit of a west coast homer and just because i think nd/michigan is better then usc/nd does not mean i dont respect the hell of teams usc is fielding every year and keeps killing michigan in the rose bowl. if you think i dont love all of college football including the wac or mac or any team on the west coast test me i think i am able to hold my own. i just think being an hour away from a team who has more or just as much tradition, wins, winning% and play every year for eleven years in a row, who have had ex michigan coaches like greg mattison as there d cordinater, and recruit all the same players for the most part are going head to head for 50 or so players, and last but not least the team who intraduced NOTRE DAME college to the game of football and have had the same games that have made a heisman winner (rocket and tim brown, desmond, charles woodson) and many games also lead to a national title chance ruined or saved in these games. i could care less about all these links you gave me i am telling you that i think they and you are wrong please ask some nd or other michigan fans and i think you would be surprised maybe in the 50 -70 it was usc but it is 110% michigan nd since lou holtz took over at michigan.
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 4, 2007 19:49:43 GMT -5
i read the link that is so important but i am trying to tell you i live in this section of the united states and i think it is more nd/ michigan over the usc rivalry. i dont want to keep fighting over something i have opinion on but i thought this is why we all left cbs and it seems like you are calling me out as an idiot over something i dont htink you have as much knowledge inas me am i trying to tell you something about fresno no cause i am out of my element there and i think you are out on a limb here to call me out like that, if you were joking mostly then i am off base but i feel like you are trying to teach me a thing or two about something i think you could use some insight in. and maybe nd would have to open a new airport or make it bigger if we werent so freaking close i mean seriously is that even a legit reason let me get this people who live 1 or two hours away take planes to south bend no, but people 10 hours away may i would assume fly to the game. man this just freaking irks me
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Post by Life's too short. on Jul 4, 2007 23:56:48 GMT -5
Manchild, you need to settle down because you're just making yourself look ridiculous to anyone on this board that has watched the sport for more than 5 years. The rivalry isn't 5 years old and what's happening 5 years from now will have very little to do with what you and your friends have seen in your limited experience. Everything you have said has shown you don't know anything about the history of ANY of it, USC or Michigan vs. ND. If anyone's being a raging homer here, it's you. USC/ND isn't just important to a few people in Michigan and Indiana, it's important to people in California, Indiana, New York, Florida, Japan, Germany, etc. Neither of these schools is a state school and the graduates are scattered around the world. USC/ND has had more national title implications than Michigan/ND and Army/ND combined - and yes, if it makes you feel better, I'm calling you out for that Army nonsense.
I put the links on that post for you because it seems you aren't old enough to begin to know what you're talking about. If I said it myself, then you might question if I'm being a homer, so I showed you in the words of ESPN, ABC, SI, and even a well written ND fan who's words have made the rounds.
The fact that your only support for your case is you and some ND people you know in the Michigan area and they think the Michigan game is important? No shit. It's called "regionally significant". If you asked ND fans in Southern California, you'd get something completely different. That's why I used other sources to try to illustrate to you something that is very well known to the vast majority of college footbal fans who have watched the sport for any length of time. You act like Charlie Weis means ANYTHING to the rivalry, here's a clue - he doesn't. He's a coach in a rivalry that has had a very long line of coaches and one that will be nationally broadcast long after he's gone. Saying ND has given up against Pete Carroll is another comment that is ridiculous. The rivalry is more than Pete Carroll and it's more than Charlie Weis. And for the record, a rivalry is INFINITELY more significant to the participants than a winning percentage, that's just one factor among many. Maybe you need to read up on some rivalries.
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Post by Life's too short. on Jul 5, 2007 0:06:25 GMT -5
BTW, Fresno State doesn't have a rivarly of the caliber we were discussing in other posts. The closest team I would call a real rival is Boise State because Fresno State has been successful on a fairly consistent basis against the other teams, but Boise State always seems to have their number. Boise State has always been the "hump" that Fresno State can't get over.
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 5, 2007 1:22:31 GMT -5
well it is over with now i still dont agree with it but i have been wrong before and will be wrong again and those links are pretty biased with cali everything is, usc is the cool thing right now and i think that if it werent for that it wouldnt be voted that high. and i am not losing it i think you could have made a point without coming at me is all. i love to argue and learn new stuff about college football i just think i would like for some notre dame fans to input on this to shed some light on it. it may be a more glamorous rivalry but i just cant see it being anymore important then michigan notre dame and i listed many reasons why and if you dont agree that is fine, i just happen to think one thing and you think another. if we played notre dame the last game of the season it may be different but i just have honestly never heard any notre dame fan in my 26 years of existence say that there main rivalry is or was usc. and i have a couple of life long friends who love nd and go to a couple games a year and actually my best friend almost always makes it over there to the michigan game and only once has been to a usc game the reggie bush push. and the more i think about it their are quite a few notre dame fans in ohio with a lot of strong catholic football schools within 30 or so minutes of me, so i am sorry i dont agree and keep giving me you reasons is fine but i think i have giving you many validated responses or fact on why michigan is a bigger rival then usc. i mean i cant hardly walk outside if we happen to lose to nd and osu in the same year this state is atleast 60-70 percent catholic and maybe they are fake fans but they love there notre dame fighting irish and i can promise you or any one who would ever get to stop into the great city of akron and see some notre dame fan and ask them who they hate more and enjoy beating michigan or usc it would be michigan i cant help it that cali it eight times the size of michigan or nd or about every state that is i just htink maybe the numbers are a little more how can i put this false cause of all the closet usc fans that are out there now cause they are the best thing in cali or ncaa football right now. is that possible that maybe usc holds nd higher then say nd holds michigan i mean this big ten country and i have to say i may be biased a little or a lot but i think it may just be what usc thinks isnt what michigan and notre dame fans think. that is that and untill i hear from some outside people in indiania or notre dame fans i think we are both right just way to many miles apart to really understand what the hell the other one is saying. so it is dead untill these so called nd fans which is there any even on here sadovin if not i am going to start a poll on cbs to finally get a true answer cause god knows there are a billion nd fans on there. thanks for all the excitment on th efourth who need fireworks when you have this going on... go blue and the fact that notre dame fans think we are a bigger rivalry
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 5, 2007 1:30:45 GMT -5
and by the way i dont look ridiculous or like a young guy who doesnt know anything you are kinda of trying to act like a stubborn kid. i mean please i might be young or not a college grad but one thing you wont and never will take from me is my love of sports or knowledge of my favorite sport in the world college football. if you are trying to mind f#ck me into believing that you are never wrong or that what you say is final i appologize now i am not going to just believe everything people say. i am not mad as much as i feel like you are trying to make me look like i am an idiot and maybe even trying to disrespect me but i have also been on this thing all day and night and am happy we chatted about this little thing. i am cool and i hope we are through with the disrespecting of me or what i believe in or have an opinion about cause opinions are like as@holes every one has one and that is that
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Post by Pirate Joe on Jul 5, 2007 6:01:20 GMT -5
Rivalries are just that rivalries. I don't necessarily agree that any one specific one is the BEST ONE OF ALL.... I think there are ones with different levels of significance or meaning. I do think that the Auburn vs Alabama rivalry is probably the fiercest.
Before conferences were aligned with specific networks and when Alabama and Auburn played every year in Birmingham, Keith Jackson always found his way to call this game. He has stated then and even afterward that the Alabama- Auburn rivalry was the Best in College football and a game he always enjoyed being at. I'll take his word for it.
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Post by loadtoad on Jul 5, 2007 7:17:02 GMT -5
Group hug?
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Jul 5, 2007 8:41:32 GMT -5
Wow lot of anger in here.
I personally think Army Navy is the top rivalry, followed by Iron Bowl, OSU UM, Clean Old Fashioned Hate, and Red River Shoot Out.
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Post by loadtoad on Jul 5, 2007 8:42:41 GMT -5
Best rivalry??
Sadovin vs. Manchild!
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Post by fartbag on Jul 5, 2007 9:42:32 GMT -5
No, the really BEST rivalry simply has to be the Geoducks vs. the Mighty Fighting Artichokes......
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Post by garyl0817 on Jul 5, 2007 9:43:29 GMT -5
###During the late 1980s the Irish had a ferocious rivalry with the University of Miami Hurricanes. Both teams were national contenders and both teams cost each other at least one national championship. Hostilities were fueled when the Hurricanes routed the Irish in the 1985 season finale, 58-7, with Miami widely accused of running up the score in the second half. The rivalry gained national attention and played their most famous game in 1988, was dubbed the "Catholics vs. Convicts." The two squads have not met since 1990.### actually, the refs cost the Canes the NC, with that absofuckinglutley heinous "fumble" call on cleveland gary. Miami owned their asses, and lou holtz quit playing the Canes because the rivalry was 'too intense" (translation- they were tired of getting it up the poop chute)...fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, all things notre dame.....
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Post by manchild56 on Jul 5, 2007 18:15:58 GMT -5
Well i hope I gave all of you some good nice fun reading while I was at work. I am a new man today, and I guess you shouldn't try to take on the main man on here!!! But on to another day and hopefully no more West coast vs. East coast stuff. Did we not learn anything from Tupac and Biggie? I love this site it really puts CBS to shame and I am so tired. See my friend with my new message this is for you and I hope this is better (see I am not that dumb)
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