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Post by NCBulldawg on Jan 30, 2024 13:48:55 GMT -5
Sounds like a spark has some embers glowing and the prediction is for a little wind. Not sure what the reality is, but supposedly UT, the Tennessee version, might have overstepped the boundary in NIL across multiple sports. We shall see. Curious what this is all about as like I said in the title..."rumor".
Heading out to shoot a PUMA shoot with LaMelo Ball. Fucker made us change from an 11:30 call time, to a 3:30pm calltime, meaning we are going late tonight! See you around 3am! Enjoy your Tuesday! (Blessed for the work)
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jan 30, 2024 13:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by erock72 on Jan 30, 2024 14:43:55 GMT -5
I thought Tennesse was more known for Whisky than Rum.
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Post by CFF on Jan 30, 2024 15:05:43 GMT -5
There will be a lot more of this. NIL is out of control.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 30, 2024 15:22:19 GMT -5
This might be the NCAA way of trying to put the genie back in the bottle. I suspect there will be more. Some of these might be cases that are clear cut violations of what is already vague rules.
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Post by CFF on Jan 30, 2024 19:29:16 GMT -5
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jan 30, 2024 19:55:57 GMT -5
Based on Donde’s track record, I’d say she is willing to take this as far as it needs to go to clear UT. I mentioned FSU in another thread yesterday, as to me, they were retro-actively punished for rules either not in place or left to a lot of interpretation. I’m not sure this is a fight the NCAA wants to pick.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jan 31, 2024 0:15:48 GMT -5
They are all doing it. When a recruit rolls up to sign in a Lambo, something is wrong. Just a matter of, who's next.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jan 31, 2024 5:24:54 GMT -5
Supposedly...can't give them(HS player X) money to come to your school via NIL when not signed. They must have signed, or something close to that line, as they cite specifically the difference between the Florida investigation and Tennessee's, involving the same position, ironically, that being the QB recruit.
My loose understanding of this, and am simply going off of what I skimmed during "work" today(boy, I was lucky with such a day), and a brief skim when I got home this morning.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Jan 31, 2024 10:54:53 GMT -5
The states of Tennessee and Virginia have filed a lawsuit against the NCAA
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Post by CFF on Feb 1, 2024 21:23:57 GMT -5
Tennessee athletics director Danny White took his turn blasting the NCAA over its investigation into allegations that UT broke rules involving name, image and likeness benefits of athletes.
On Thursday, White released an eye-opening statement on X, formerly known as Twitter.
“The NCAA generally does not comment on infractions cases because there is a rule against it; however, that has not stopped them in the past from leaking information to the media as they did this week about us,” White said. “Their actions made this ill-conceived investigation public and forced us to defend ourselves. It is clear that the NCAA staff does not understand what is happening at the campus level all over the country in the NIL space.”
“After reviewing thousands of Tennessee coach and personnel phone records, NCAA investigators didn’t find a single NIL violation, so they moved the goalpost to fit a predetermined outcome.”
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Post by Bradimous1 on Feb 24, 2024 5:36:14 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 24, 2024 8:24:17 GMT -5
We might not like the NCAA. There is plenty to dislike about it. But I fail to see how this is anything but another knife into college athletics. Does it help individuals? I guess it helps some. But it further adds to the destruction of the sports that many of us love. UT and UVA may well reap what they have sewn.
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Post by CFF on Feb 24, 2024 8:31:08 GMT -5
We might not like the NCAA. There is plenty to dislike about it. But I fail to see how this is anything but another knife into college athletics. Does it help individuals? I guess it helps some. But it further adds to the destruction of the sports that many of us love. UT and UVA may well reap what they have sewn. I agree that this doesn't help the NCAA, but they did nothing to help themselves either. They need to have rules in place before they enforce them. I would like to see some sort of rules set for the NIL program, as it is today, college sports will erode until only the richest programs will survive. Soon we will have a P2 format and it will be NFL lite as you say. This all stems from greed and the bowing to traditional programs for special status.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 24, 2024 9:29:57 GMT -5
What this does is disband the few rules in place that they had. It has not been good since the NCAA opted to fight useless battles. But this ruling is total bullshit. And yes, it will only help the very rich and powerful, like that other UT.
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Post by ghost on Feb 24, 2024 11:48:48 GMT -5
So.... TN and VA can now have busters go to recruits and offer money.....
nice.
welp.... i really really really hate to suggest that the gov need step in.... but its to the point.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Feb 24, 2024 11:54:15 GMT -5
So.... TN and VA can now have busters go to recruits and offer money..... nice. welp.... i really really really hate to suggest that the gov need step in.... but its to the point. This is nation wide.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Feb 24, 2024 11:56:09 GMT -5
We might not like the NCAA. There is plenty to dislike about it. But I fail to see how this is anything but another knife into college athletics. Does it help individuals? I guess it helps some. But it further adds to the destruction of the sports that many of us love. UT and UVA may well reap what they have sewn. You can’t go back and punish for rules not in place.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 24, 2024 12:27:01 GMT -5
We might not like the NCAA. There is plenty to dislike about it. But I fail to see how this is anything but another knife into college athletics. Does it help individuals? I guess it helps some. But it further adds to the destruction of the sports that many of us love. UT and UVA may well reap what they have sewn. You can’t go back and punish for rules not in place. Are we sure that is the case. Some of the rules for recruiting and NIL have been in place. I don’t know.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Feb 24, 2024 12:50:27 GMT -5
Cess pool.
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Post by CFF on Feb 24, 2024 13:52:14 GMT -5
What this does is disband the few rules in place that they had. It has not been good since the NCAA opted to fight useless battles. But this ruling is total bullshit. And yes, it will only help the very rich and powerful, like that other UT. The NCAA failed to have rules in place when this happened. The hearing for NIL wasn't a surprise, why not have a contingency plan? It isn't total BS, they went after one team for violating a rule that was not in place at the time. They still have the ability to recover, they just need sensible rules that they enforce from the date the rules are in effect. I do agree, it was a useless battle.
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Post by CFF on Feb 24, 2024 13:54:38 GMT -5
So.... TN and VA can now have busters go to recruits and offer money..... nice. welp.... i really really really hate to suggest that the gov need step in.... but its to the point. Every school can do the same thing. Many/most are already doing it. Here is a prime example: www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/texas-tech-football-nil-players-matador-club/rj5whjdoeatjcrwjcqb4gd6wNot an unreasonable amount, but violating the rule that wasn't in place that they tried to put in place after the fact. That is an amount that is discussed before signing the contract, like it or not.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Feb 24, 2024 17:41:38 GMT -5
You can’t go back and punish for rules not in place. Are we sure that is the case. Some of the rules for recruiting and NIL have been in place. I don’t know. Do the rule in place is that the NIL and recruiting can’t coincide, so the group with the NIL flies Nico out to negotiate, now the school is responsible for how he got to his NIL negotiations??? Huh?!?! The NCAA really screwed this up (not the UT stuff, the NIL rules, or lack there of) and they said so them selves. I’m guessing they ride this case out knowing they will lose instead of settling so they can say, “well, we tried”
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Post by ghost on Feb 24, 2024 18:55:15 GMT -5
employee contracts is the only way to move forward in CFB...... school employed.
then we get to have strikes.. yippie... but non-compete contracts is going to be the the one thing.
its the only way to stop it.
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Post by CFF on Feb 24, 2024 19:30:15 GMT -5
employee contracts is the only way to move forward in CFB...... school employed. then we get to have strikes.. yippie... but non-compete contracts is going to be the the one thing. its the only way to stop it. There is no "only" way to do anything. There is a sensible solution for this that benefits all parties. Rest assured, the NCAA will not follow that path.
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Post by ghost on Feb 26, 2024 12:10:42 GMT -5
employee contracts is the only way to move forward in CFB...... school employed. then we get to have strikes.. yippie... but non-compete contracts is going to be the the one thing. its the only way to stop it. There is no "only" way to do anything. There is a sensible solution for this that benefits all parties. Rest assured, the NCAA will not follow that path. the "only' way, since the scOTUS has weighed in.... and now TN/VA have done what they ahve done, is for an employee based contract. just like the real world. All scholarships should be issued as payment. kids would then be charged the tuition rate for their state or out of state. the TV contracts and profit generated from tickets/merch can then be split in a CBA.... just like the NFL/Nba/mLb etc.... Its the only way that the nil wild west goes away. you have to get employment contracts. once you signed the employment contract that lists the NIL rights govenered by the employer for the time they are employees, you can stop this shit. The players are free to qui their job, but the non-compete' would apply and the CBA would likely negotiate the length of sitting out.... if its 1 year, then its just like the old sit out system. No more red shirts... you get 5 years... medical years can be applied based on % of games you were available for in those 5 years petitioned to the NCAA. Schools would pay insurance, medical, even 401K (or something like that).... the TP goes away essentially since they are under contract... etc.
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Post by CFF on Feb 26, 2024 19:31:44 GMT -5
There is no "only" way to do anything. There is a sensible solution for this that benefits all parties. Rest assured, the NCAA will not follow that path. the "only' way, since the scOTUS has weighed in.... and now TN/VA have done what they ahve done, is for an employee based contract. just like the real world. All scholarships should be issued as payment. kids would then be charged the tuition rate for their state or out of state. the TV contracts and profit generated from tickets/merch can then be split in a CBA.... just like the NFL/Nba/mLb etc.... Its the only way that the nil wild west goes away. you have to get employment contracts. once you signed the employment contract that lists the NIL rights govenered by the employer for the time they are employees, you can stop this shit. The players are free to qui their job, but the non-compete' would apply and the CBA would likely negotiate the length of sitting out.... if its 1 year, then its just like the old sit out system. No more red shirts... you get 5 years... medical years can be applied based on % of games you were available for in those 5 years petitioned to the NCAA. Schools would pay insurance, medical, even 401K (or something like that).... the TP goes away essentially since they are under contract... etc. This ruling was with a district court, and it is temporary so not to effect recruiting or the competitive balance until a decision is made.
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