Vespula
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Post by Vespula on Mar 19, 2024 15:02:08 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Mar 20, 2024 4:00:36 GMT -5
Looking to join the SEC with FSU.....
Once this happens, the ACC will fold. With the loss in viewership they will themselves get out of the current deal.
UNC, Duke, Miami, will start to push for SEC invites.....
Others will look to Big10....
Big12 will scrap up the rest, minus SMU..... youoill get 3 24-team conferences.... then again, the SEC might just stop at 18.... he’ll could stop at 16...
FSU and Clemson could be trying to get the ACC to to a $90m per deal and steal some Big12 teams....
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Post by MtnTiger on Mar 20, 2024 9:41:31 GMT -5
Looking to join the SEC with FSU..... Once this happens, the ACC will fold. With the loss in viewership they will themselves get out of the current deal. UNC, Duke, Miami, will start to push for SEC invites..... Others will look to Big10.... Big12 will scrap up the rest, minus SMU..... youoill get 3 24-team conferences.... then again, the SEC might just stop at 18.... he’ll could stop at 16... FSU and Clemson could be trying to get the ACC to to a $90m per deal and steal some Big12 teams.... Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams.
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Post by ghost on Mar 20, 2024 17:58:11 GMT -5
Looking to join the SEC with FSU..... Once this happens, the ACC will fold. With the loss in viewership they will themselves get out of the current deal. UNC, Duke, Miami, will start to push for SEC invites..... Others will look to Big10.... Big12 will scrap up the rest, minus SMU..... youoill get 3 24-team conferences.... then again, the SEC might just stop at 18.... he’ll could stop at 16... FSU and Clemson could be trying to get the ACC to to a $90m per deal and steal some Big12 teams.... Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams. The big10 did that with maryann and rutgers....... big mistake going after markets whit shit teams... the SEC his not stupid
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 20, 2024 19:06:11 GMT -5
Looking to join the SEC with FSU..... Once this happens, the ACC will fold. With the loss in viewership they will themselves get out of the current deal. UNC, Duke, Miami, will start to push for SEC invites..... Others will look to Big10.... Big12 will scrap up the rest, minus SMU..... youoill get 3 24-team conferences.... then again, the SEC might just stop at 18.... he’ll could stop at 16... FSU and Clemson could be trying to get the ACC to to a $90m per deal and steal some Big12 teams.... Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams. Me thinks the SEC might not necessarily want them, but they might like much less the Big Ten taking them. You would then have the SEC basically surrounded with Big Ten teams and a wide open door to Georgia, Florida and the Carolinas.
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Post by MtnTiger on Mar 20, 2024 19:07:09 GMT -5
Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams. The big10 did that with maryann and rutgers....... big mistake going after markets whit shit teams... the SEC his not stupid You’re right. The SEC isn’t stupid, that’s why they don’t want or need FSU or Clemson. UNC and UVA are both more prestigious universities than either of them. No disrespect to Vespula, but they just aren’t the same caliber institutions.
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 20, 2024 20:20:56 GMT -5
ACC now countersuing FSU and Clemson.
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Post by tonythegator on Mar 21, 2024 12:59:46 GMT -5
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Vespula
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Post by Vespula on Mar 22, 2024 15:29:07 GMT -5
The big10 did that with maryann and rutgers....... big mistake going after markets whit shit teams... the SEC his not stupid You’re right. The SEC isn’t stupid, that’s why they don’t want or need FSU or Clemson. UNC and UVA are both more prestigious universities than either of them. No disrespect to Vespula, but they just aren’t the same caliber institutions. I don't dispute what you say. However, if the academic caliber of institutions compared to Clemson is the standard, the SEC needs to drop Mississippi, Mississippi State, Arkansas, Kentucky, Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, and South Carolina. Auburn is on the bubble, slightly lower than Clemson, but pretty close. I think the measure of value athletically is monetary value, and sadly that usually doesn't track with academic prestige, otherwise Vanderbilt would be a superpower in the SEC.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Mar 26, 2024 14:25:59 GMT -5
Looking to join the SEC with FSU..... Once this happens, the ACC will fold. With the loss in viewership they will themselves get out of the current deal. UNC, Duke, Miami, will start to push for SEC invites..... Others will look to Big10.... Big12 will scrap up the rest, minus SMU..... youoill get 3 24-team conferences.... then again, the SEC might just stop at 18.... he’ll could stop at 16... FSU and Clemson could be trying to get the ACC to to a $90m per deal and steal some Big12 teams.... Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams. With streaming, so many games on in a Saturday, TV market value has significantly dropped The upstate of SC television market is regularly in the top 5-10 in college football viewing. Fans watch big games when their team is not playing and sometimes multiple TVs streaming even when they are It is now about viewership, streaming and big brands sell especially when they are good programs. Clemson has a top notch football program and Dabo has made them a national brand. They also bring eyes to other sports -Basketball team is finally invested and current Sweet 16 -Baseball currently a top 1 program -Mens soccer national champs two of three years -Women's Soccer final 4 -Top 10 softball program in just a few years -Gymnastics top 30 and made national championships in year 1 -Lacrosse top 30 in year 2 So while those are not revenue sports, these conference networks need views on sports other than football and basketball during off times. Clemson has value in that "TV markets" are still looked at but pretty much a thing of the past. I know in talks with a contact that has direct ties to the BOT at Clemson that TV market has been very little of the convo with the BIG and SEC which both conversations have been ongoing although no offers have been offered or accepted The pitch to both conferences have also apparently included the openness from Clemson to add additional sports that would benefit the conference of needed These have been old conversations b/c neither BIG or SEC is extending anything until the grant of rights is figured out which is what is driving these lawsuits but I will be shocked if Clemson does not land in one or the other. But the TV market argument is a dinosaur. It is still tracked but viewership and brand are far more important. They do not need TV markets. Every market gets every game
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Post by MtnTiger on Mar 26, 2024 14:40:08 GMT -5
Why would the SEC want Clemson or FSU? They don’t add any new TV markets. SEC would be better served by going after UNC and UVA if they are looking to add ACC teams. With streaming, so many games on in a Saturday, TV market value has significantly dropped The upstate of SC television market is regularly in the top 5-10 in college football viewing. Fans watch big games when their team is not playing and sometimes multiple TVs streaming even when they are It is now about viewership, streaming and big brands sell especially when they are good programs. Clemson has a top notch football program and Dabo has made them a national brand. They also bring eyes to other sports -Basketball team is finally invested and current Sweet 16 -Baseball currently a top 1 program -Mens soccer national champs two of three years -Women's Soccer final 4 -Top 10 softball program in just a few years -Gymnastics top 30 and made national championships in year 1 -Lacrosse top 30 in year 2 So while those are not revenue sports, these conference networks need views on sports other than football and basketball during off times. Clemson has value in that "TV markets" are still looked at but pretty much a thing of the past. I know in talks with a contact that has direct ties to the BOT at Clemson that TV market has been very little of the convo with the BIG and SEC which both conversations have been ongoing although no offers have been offered or accepted The pitch to both conferences have also apparently included the openness from Clemson to add additional sports that would benefit the conference of needed These have been old conversations b/c neither BIG or SEC is extending anything until the grant of rights is figured out which is what is driving these lawsuits but I will be shocked if Clemson does not land in one or the other. But the TV market argument is a dinosaur. It is still tracked but viewership and brand are far more important. They do not need TV markets. Every market gets every game TV markets matter when it comes to the SEC Network. That’s why Clemson has very little value for the SEC. ESPN gets more money from households in the SEC footprint than they do from non SEC footprint households. Add UNC and UVA and you expand the SEC footprint. Add Clemson and FSU and you don’t. Simple as that.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Mar 26, 2024 16:46:28 GMT -5
With streaming, so many games on in a Saturday, TV market value has significantly dropped The upstate of SC television market is regularly in the top 5-10 in college football viewing. Fans watch big games when their team is not playing and sometimes multiple TVs streaming even when they are It is now about viewership, streaming and big brands sell especially when they are good programs. Clemson has a top notch football program and Dabo has made them a national brand. They also bring eyes to other sports -Basketball team is finally invested and current Sweet 16 -Baseball currently a top 1 program -Mens soccer national champs two of three years -Women's Soccer final 4 -Top 10 softball program in just a few years -Gymnastics top 30 and made national championships in year 1 -Lacrosse top 30 in year 2 So while those are not revenue sports, these conference networks need views on sports other than football and basketball during off times. Clemson has value in that "TV markets" are still looked at but pretty much a thing of the past. I know in talks with a contact that has direct ties to the BOT at Clemson that TV market has been very little of the convo with the BIG and SEC which both conversations have been ongoing although no offers have been offered or accepted The pitch to both conferences have also apparently included the openness from Clemson to add additional sports that would benefit the conference of needed These have been old conversations b/c neither BIG or SEC is extending anything until the grant of rights is figured out which is what is driving these lawsuits but I will be shocked if Clemson does not land in one or the other. But the TV market argument is a dinosaur. It is still tracked but viewership and brand are far more important. They do not need TV markets. Every market gets every game TV markets matter when it comes to the SEC Network. That’s why Clemson has very little value for the SEC. ESPN gets more money from households in the SEC footprint than they do from non SEC footprint households. Add UNC and UVA and you expand the SEC footprint. Add Clemson and FSU and you don’t. Simple as that. And you don't add views. The ACC used this model and added Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Louisville, etc. for new larger TV markets and it did not work before almost everything has transitioned away from cable and almost exclusively streaming. ESPN will be much more strategic in what they place value in UNC and UVA are not bringing eyes to the TV like Clemson and FSU. If you do not stay ahead, you'll get left behind and I think the reason the SEC has stayed at the forefront in the NCAA world is because they know this and if ESPN is not careful and they just try to force the SEC to fill the SEC conference with new TV markets, FOX and CBS will look a little more sexy TV markets mean very little in the value these days. That is simple facts...doesn't matter if you get in the Boston/NY/Pittsburg markets or even the UNC market/UVA market if it is not bringing more eyes You mention 2 teams that care very little about football. Having them on your station is not bringing value except some additional yes on basketball. Another mistake the ACC shit the bed on...thinking building a conference around basketball was good for long term success They expanded based on basketball and TV markets and here they sit with the worst TV deals of the remaining major conferences. Recipe for failure
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Post by nmerritt11 on Mar 27, 2024 7:23:22 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 27, 2024 7:36:23 GMT -5
I remain convinced that while the SEC is not really wanting to expand, they absolutely do not want the B1G in South Carolina and Florida.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Mar 27, 2024 11:37:57 GMT -5
I remain convinced that while the SEC is not really wanting to expand, they absolutely do not want the B1G in South Carolina and Florida. kind of my thoughts as well but I think if the BIG/SEC are going to continue down the path of being "partnered up" both will end up with the same number of teams and my thought is that will end up at 20 Who will those teams be and where will they land? And that is where the question lies
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Post by bigdawgs on Mar 27, 2024 11:59:36 GMT -5
Remember the last alliance the B1G was part of? Remember Roosevelt's words about Italy's Attack on France in 1940: “The hand that held the dagger has plunged it into the back of its neighbor.”
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Post by bigdawgs on Apr 5, 2024 12:25:07 GMT -5
David Hale, ESPN Staff Writer Apr 4, 2024, 02:32 PM ET
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- A Mecklenburg County judge on Thursday denied two motions by Florida State to dismiss or stay a lawsuit filed by the ACC that the league hopes will force the school to honor its grant of rights agreement and pay the conference more than $500 million if it hopes to exit for another conference before 2036.
The ruling by Judge Louis A. Bledsoe III is seen as a significant win for the ACC, as it would likely mean the battle between the league and Florida State would proceed in North Carolina rather than Florida, where FSU filed its own lawsuit against the conference.
The ACC filed its lawsuit in Charlotte on Dec. 21 in anticipation of a lawsuit by FSU in Florida, which came after approval by the school's board of trustees the following day. FSU's lawsuit seeks to extricate the university from the ACC's grant of rights, a contract that gives the conference ownership of Florida State's television media rights through June 2036. The ACC's suit seeks to uphold the grant of rights.
Florida law typically offers preference to the entity that files the first lawsuit, which in this case is the ACC.
"We are pleased with today's decision, which confirms North Carolina courts are the proper place to enforce the ACC's agreements and bylaws," the ACC said in a statement. "We remain committed to acting in the best interests of the league's members and will see this process through to protect and advance the ACC."
Florida State had argued for dismissal or a stay of the ACC's lawsuit based, in part, on a claim of sovereign immunity, which prevents states from being sued in another state. FSU, as a state institution, claimed to be covered. During hearings on FSU's motion to dismiss, the ACC's attorney suggested the school's legal team was playing "a game of whack-a-mole" in trying numerous unsubstantiated tactics in an effort to get the ACC's suit thrown out.
"Although it's highly unusual for a court to dismiss a lawsuit at this initial stage, we are disappointed in the Court's decision not to dismiss the North Carolina lawsuit," Florida State said in a statement. "At the same time, we appreciate the ruling today that Florida State could not have breached any supposed fiduciary duties to the ACC by seeking legal relief from the Conference's gross mishandling of member school media rights. We will continue to aggressively advocate for the University, for FSU Athletics, and for the sovereignty of the State of Florida as these cases proceed."
Florida State could still appeal the ruling, potentially setting up arguments before the North Carolina Supreme Court.
On March 19, Clemson joined Florida State, filing its own suit in Pickens County, South Carolina, arguing that the grant of rights should not apply should the school choose to leave the ACC and that the league's requirement that any departing teams also pay an exit fee of three times annual revenue was excessive. The ACC filed its own countersuit against Clemson, also in Charlotte, a day later.
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