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Post by raleighrebel on Sept 5, 2007 8:31:13 GMT -5
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 8:39:41 GMT -5
I'm just glad it's over. Tired of the whole situation. Weren't you taught in intro to speech 101 to make note cards? I never did, but clearly Mikey put that VT education to work.
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Post by redstick13 on Sept 5, 2007 8:44:48 GMT -5
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Post by LSUKNUT on Sept 5, 2007 8:46:12 GMT -5
I'll bet they also taught him to pick his shit up when he's done with the speech but he forgot that part.
Dogs have suffered.......Ya think?
Funny he left that part out.
Nice read Raleigh.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Sept 5, 2007 8:48:46 GMT -5
He left off his apologies for being a lying bastard throughout this whole ordeal until the vice on his ball sack was to tight.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 8:49:54 GMT -5
I always find it borderline hilarious how people get so up in arms about dogs dying and then yawn and change the channel when they hafta hear about some of the probably thousands of people who get murdered every day in various cities.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Sept 5, 2007 8:53:46 GMT -5
I always find it borderline hilarious how people get so up in arms about dogs dying and then yawn and change the channel when they hafta hear about some of the probably thousands of people who get murdered every day in various cities. Teddy, I think thats a Detroit thing....people putting caps in other people is like sports and weather every evening at 6.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 5, 2007 8:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 9:04:16 GMT -5
HAHA, GT I actually laughed @ that.
I just think perspective is a real motherfucker, ya know? How much indignation does the guy need to suffer @ this point? His life is effectively over. He'll be in his 30s probably dealing with the law still, be it on probation or house arrest or whatever. His educational background is going to school for 2 years @ a university level. That can get you a job, sure, not what he's used to though. He'll end up having to pay back 22 million that will leave him near broke, he's lost all his endorsements, he'll do hard time and deal with what happens when you do that...and trust you, there's bigger SOBs than Mike Vick in federal "pound me in the ass" prison, to borrow an Office Space line...and people are STILL on this guy's ass when currently right now there's probably someone raping a girl, stabbing someone over shoes or an 8 ball, and some young couple hopped up on heroin discussing how to get rid of the unborn child they didn't mean to have.
Like how OJ still gets verbally sodomized by the public for his role...or court proven (whatever that means anymore) lack thereof involvment in a murder and Ray Lewis is one of the prime faces of the NFL after similarly being aquitted with involvment in a murder case.
Or how Mitch Mustain's mother goes apeshit crying for her son's foul play and suddenly Mitch is a bitch but Archie Manning goes on national radio and cries a river for son Peyton after losing to the Steelers and he's just "being a good parent."
Just kinda funny (not as funny as GT's comment though) depending on what side of the fence you happen to view the sun that day.
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Post by dpb13 on Sept 5, 2007 9:09:59 GMT -5
For what it's wrth Teddy, I have never pulled for the Ravens to win any game-because of Ray Lewis. IMO he and OJ both belong in jail. As for Peyton vs Mustain, you hit that one right on the head also.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Sept 5, 2007 9:21:04 GMT -5
HAHA, GT I actually laughed @ that. I just think perspective is a real motherfucker, ya know? How much indignation does the guy need to suffer @ this point? His life is effectively over. He'll be in his 30s probably dealing with the law still, be it on probation or house arrest or whatever. His educational background is going to school for 2 years @ a university level. That can get you a job, sure, not what he's used to though. He'll end up having to pay back 22 million that will leave him near broke, he's lost all his endorsements, he'll do hard time and deal with what happens when you do that...and trust you, there's bigger SOBs than Mike Vick in federal "pound me in the ass" prison, to borrow an Office Space line...and people are STILL on this guy's ass when currently right now there's probably someone raping a girl, stabbing someone over shoes or an 8 ball, and some young couple hopped up on heroin discussing how to get rid of the unborn child they didn't mean to have. Like how OJ still gets verbally sodomized by the public for his role...or court proven (whatever that means anymore) lack thereof involvment in a murder and Ray Lewis is one of the prime faces of the NFL after similarly being aquitted with involvment in a murder case. Or how Mitch Mustain's mother goes apeshit crying for her son's foul play and suddenly Mitch is a bitch but Archie Manning goes on national radio and cries a river for son Peyton after losing to the Steelers and he's just "being a good parent." Just kinda funny (not as funny as GT's comment though) depending on what side of the fence you happen to view the sun that day. Great perspective as always Teddy....can't really disagree with any of your points.
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Post by VT Hokie Girl on Sept 5, 2007 10:11:52 GMT -5
Thank you, Teddy. You seem to have a lot of smarts, wisdom, and insight..... more than most people your age, or even older for that matter. You're a rare 25 year old.... at least in my eyes.
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Post by VT Hokie Girl on Sept 5, 2007 10:12:24 GMT -5
Oh...... good morning, everyone!
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Post by Life's too short. on Sept 5, 2007 10:17:08 GMT -5
It depresses me that the media and a few others are making such a ridiculous amount of noise over a piece of paper that does nothing more than list reminders for the points he wanted to make sure he didn't forget. I'm sure all those hysterical ninnies trying to make something out of it could just walk right up there in front of more cameras than even President Bush had to face that day and just shoot from the hip with no nerves whatsoever on a topic that pretty much would be changing their lives forever.
What the hell. I guess it makes good copy for the tabloid level journalists drooling over this.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 10:21:03 GMT -5
THanks VT girl...I'm just skeptical about shit and I try not to take everything @ face value. I'd probably make a good drug dealer, but I hear the government is really fucking with their retirement plans and medical benefits and I can't get into something with such a poor future when I retire.
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Post by hemidemon on Sept 5, 2007 11:29:44 GMT -5
I can take issue with some of Teddy's points and will. Teddy the reason you see the uproar for killing dogs is people aren't used to hearing about it. They aren't desensitized to this crime like they are about a murder case. People don't hear about dog fighting or what actually goes on with these rings, and to be honest the full story still hasn't come out, it gets much worse than what we've seen and heard on the news so far. I feel more for these dogs than I do murder victims. Why? 99% of your murder victims are not innocent victims. They were into something that got them killed. 100% of these dogs are innocent victims. I don't feel sorry for drug addicts. They did it to themselves. I don't think Vick is getting near what he should be getting. I don't feel sorry at all for this dumb-ass. He's earned everything he's getting and then some. I believe cruelty to animals should carry harsher penalties. I'm hoping the Vick case will cause this to happen. I wish you were right about this next issue, but I don't think you are. Vick will not go to a real prison. He will go to a minimum security camp. That is not very hard time. It's actually easy time. He'll probably end up on a military base prison. Those prisons have no bars or fences. The only way you can tell it's a jail is by reading the sign in front. If you miss that you would never know you just passed a federal prison. BTW those prisoners can go anywhere on the base that is not restricted. There is nothing wrong with people staying on Vick's ass about this crime. Vick has earned it. When you see Vick what you're seeing is a man that has no moral fiber. None. This is a man raised to care about nothing but himself.
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Post by VT Hokie Girl on Sept 5, 2007 12:19:49 GMT -5
I feel more for these dogs than I do murder victims. Why? 99% of your murder victims are not innocent victims. They were into something that got them killed.
Hemi....... I want you to please show me the source of this statistic. A legitimate and respected source, not an opinion. I find your "99%" figure to be not only unbelievable, but absurd. There are countless murders everyday. Are you telling me that 99 out of 100 murders, the vicitim was doing something wrong and as a result got killed? What about robberies, muggings, drive bys, rapes that result in murder, kidnappings, etc.... you expect me to believe that 99 of these 100 murder victims were doing something wrong? Come on Hemi, you can't be serious.
Please reread and rethink that statement you made. Please.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 12:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I was kinda questioning that too. How about all the convience store workers that get capped working the graveyard shifts in the city? What's their lack of innocence, needing to make a paycheck?
To take any life is tragic, I just find it indicitive of our society today when we make little to no deal out of human beings being slain. Most people are as familiar with dog fighting as they are a human homicide. Most have no experience either way. It's not pretty.
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Post by VT Hokie Girl on Sept 5, 2007 12:30:03 GMT -5
My personal opinion...... if the person involved in this horrific dog fighting enterprise hadn't been Michael Vick, or someone with as much notoriety, it would not have become the spectacle that it did. If the "ring leader" had been Joe Smith, blue collar worker, making less than $30K a year, this would be nothing. I know I'm right on this.
And I am not justifying his repulsive acts or behavior. Just giving my opinion on why there was such public outrage. And yes, I was one of the public who was outraged. And saddened. I do not wear rose colored glasses where there is injustice. Whether that injustice be done to animals or people.
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Post by redstick13 on Sept 5, 2007 12:33:44 GMT -5
I would venture to say the public outrage is because Vick was supposed to be a role model and set an example for the children that idolized him. Imagine their horror when pops had to explain their favorite player wouldn't be playing anymore because he had a habit of drowning and shocking to death the family pet.
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Post by VT Hokie Girl on Sept 5, 2007 12:43:49 GMT -5
I would venture to say the public outrage is because Vick was supposed to be a role model and set an example for the children that idolized him. Imagine their horror when pops had to explain their favorite player wouldn't be playing anymore because he had a habit of drowning and shocking to death the family pet. I think you're probably right, Redstick. I'm sure there were quite a few "explanations" to be told to upset and wondering children. Like it or not, when someone does have the fame and notoriety that Michael Vick and others have (or had), there also comes a certain moral obligation with that notoriety. That's one of the places where he, and others, have screwed up and failed.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 13:46:56 GMT -5
Like Charles Barkley once said "I'm a basketball player, not a role model."
I don't know whose fault it is that kids look up to people who have no discernable reason to be looked up to as people for all most of us know instead of looking up to guys working 2 jobs 70 hours a week to support a wife and kids or a nun...but I always have a problem when people expect others to be people they're not capable of being themselves b/c they're in the public forum.
Yes as a celebrity you have a forced imposition upon you to be someone of good character but when I go to bed @ night before slamming someone else I ask (and this isn't in reference to Vick, I'd never fight dogs) "am I that much better of a person? How would I be with an extra 10 million?" Normally, the answer is "no." and "probably about the same."
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Sept 5, 2007 13:48:55 GMT -5
I have kept silent about the entire Vick scenario. I identify with dogs. Especially chi's . I dont know why. While in the army I had never seen a chihuahua. When I came home I met Susie. She was a little white and brown chi. Funniest dog you have ever seen. My sister had a chi named Nina. Later she got Paco and she breeds chihuahuas. I now breed them as well. I have never even thought about dog fighting. Even if its 1 chi vs another.
I guess I see it this way. I have been taught to never hit a lady. I never would. I am bigger than most ladies and have been trained to handle myself in tough situations. Some ladies can protect themselves and some cannot. Still it is against my beliefs and my honor to ever lay a malicious hand on a woman. Wont happen. Dogs will not attack me. If they do they cannot hurt me. I wont allow it. I have been with trainers around dogs varying in sizes from german Shepards and Rot Weilers to Chihuahuas. It is not in my belief system that I could harm one of them. They are fairly defenseless around humans who on every account as an owner holds its life in thier hands. We are the source of food, disciplin and affection that dogs need. It is against my belief system and my honor to ever put them in harms way. Dogs trust thier handlers. They will die to protect you. Even small ones. Only to be starved untill they are in pain. Then so angry they could eat one of thier own kind. Then killed once they are of no use anymore? We get more from dogs than we ever give to the dogs in our lives. This is a disgrace and an ultimate betrayal of trust.
I am not tlking about micheal vick. I include him in with the rest of them. For the past 5 years I have learned to handle dogs and have worked with law enforcement to find the dog fighting rings. I have never put one of the dogs in my care in danger. Micheal vick is just one of many. I hope he gets what any joe on the street would get. Within the law.
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Post by hemidemon on Sept 5, 2007 14:12:24 GMT -5
VT Hokie you are right about Vick's name making this the story that it is. I can't give you a reference about my crime stat b/c that kind of state is not kept by the FBI. My source is a homicide det. with 20 years experience. The store robberies, rapes, and kidnappings you hear about on the news are only a few of the actual homicides that take place everyday. Drive by shootings do not go after innocent victims, granted they do get hit. When a homicide occurs one of the ways to start the investigation is to see what the victim was into. Any homicide det. will tell you a vast majority of their victims were into something illegal. It is true there are some innocent victims out there but most of them are not. This is not something the police put out to the news on a regular basis. Homicides do not just happen. They almost all happen for a reason. Thats why I took issue with Teddy. On the surface his logic looks solid. You have to dig deeper to get the truth. Example: Everybody says well Vick only killed 7 or 8 dogs. Thats not true, but it's all that is reported. He's killed hundreds more. How do I know this? What do you think these dogs practice on? They don't hit tackling dummies or work on fake dogs. They use real dogs that have their mouths taped shut for these pits to practice on. They get these poor dogs from shelters and pounds, but if the employees figure them out so they can't "adopt" then they go out and steal a family pet to practice on. How Gruesome! I'm sure you can imagine the death these dogs face. So Hokiegirl you have a choice. I can't provide a concrete ref., you can take my word that I have given you good info, or just decide that I am flat wrong and being a little emotional with my opinion.
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Post by hemidemon on Sept 5, 2007 14:18:31 GMT -5
Hey Chi Chi, outstanding post! Positive karma for you.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 5, 2007 14:30:19 GMT -5
Dam Chi, I didn't know you were a breeder. You dog-whore!
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Post by cff on Sept 5, 2007 14:32:48 GMT -5
He is a leg breeder.
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Post by bcsbbad on Sept 5, 2007 14:48:45 GMT -5
cff if that is true some mod should change his name to "Mr Sticky Pants Leg".
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Sept 5, 2007 15:22:13 GMT -5
Dam Chi, I didn't know you were a breeder. You dog-whore! I knew as soon as I hit post reply that something like this would happen lol. What can I say .. the ladies love me!!!!
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Post by gobigred203 on Sept 5, 2007 16:42:26 GMT -5
Why the hell are we still talking about Michael Vick... He's in the past right now...This is going on farther than it needs to...
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