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Post by erock72 on Sept 5, 2007 18:15:37 GMT -5
With all the buzz surrounding the "loss heard 'round the world", one thing seems to have been left out of all the talks. Before I continue let me say that there aren't enough accolades and congratulations to give to the Mountaineers after their big win on Saturday. That being said did they cook their (and their subdivision's) goose in the process? One of the things that football fans love to chastise other programs for is scheduling these (former and still referenced by me) 1AA schools. The forgotten element in these bargains is the payday that these smaller schools get to go pad the win stats (oops Wolverine fans) of the "big boys". Saturday may have seen the last of it for any 1AA team ranked in their preseason poll. The negative fallout (top 25 poll pun intended) Michigan has seen is the likes never seen before in college football. How many "top programs" are going to risk that for themselves? My guess is not many. Which means that those 1AA schools aren't going to get the payouts that they get (many on a yearly basis) which means that some of these programs may lose in the end. While a lot of people reading this may not care about the subdivision, I have to as I am an alum of one of these programs. Besides how ironic that a team that has a playoff ruins a season of one that doesn't. Don't for a second think that if Michigan gets it back in gear and runs the table the rest of the way that they won't want one. Because they sure won't get a shot at the title with that loss on their resume. So, the question remains........did Appy State (and 1AA in general) really lose in that win?
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 5, 2007 18:19:31 GMT -5
Well it gave them publicity and now people will recognize them.
But I see your point too
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 18:19:47 GMT -5
You NEVER lose when you win. If anything else, they helped D-1A football heavily. If it gets to the point where big teams are genuinely afraid of being embarassed the way Michigan was, it will point them towards just scheduling tough opponents. I've never been a big believer in "cake games" to open the season and see where the team is. Go @ it. Right off the bat. You lose, you have the entire season to make up for getting taken out by a decent team. You win, it really sets the tone. I think teams are sharper having to play someone that they fear inside them could beat them in the opener. Look @ Cal-UT. Both teams will be better for it. Hopefully games like this force teams to acknowledge that nothing is a sure win and if that truly is the case, put someone with a punchers chance on the schedule, get yourself a tv slot, and maybe help get your season kick started in advance. Of course, it might not help 1AA teams get on major schedules...especially the better ones...but I think in a wierd way, it's a victory for those wanting to see more interesting opening week schedules.
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Post by gobigred203 on Sept 5, 2007 18:21:58 GMT -5
I think this is good for the I-AA schools. It forces them to work harder to prepare mentally and physically for every game. Plus I agree with teddy, you don't lose if you have won..
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 5, 2007 18:24:16 GMT -5
Can you ever win if you lose?
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 18:27:51 GMT -5
No, the moral victory is media bore horseshit for fans who for some reason feel comfort in saying "man, I'm so glad our team hung in there. That shows determination." Yeah? You know what else it shows? 0-1 today, sucka.
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Post by bcsbbad on Sept 5, 2007 18:32:45 GMT -5
I think App State may be hurt - not sure too many D-1A teams are going to be calling anytime soon. But teams will continue to call other D-1AA schools because the best way to have a chance in D-1A to play in the MNC game is to go 12-0 - more emphasis should be placed on being a conference champion before you get a shot at that game (MNC).
Of course when a scheduled opponent backs out of a game at the last minute you have to take what you can find.
Too bad the NCAA couldn't penalize schools that back out of games - you know - take a football scholarship or two away.
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Post by erock72 on Sept 5, 2007 18:33:02 GMT -5
teddy i agree with what you said about the game helping get better games on 1A schedules......but how does that help appy state or 1AA...which is the point i was making
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 5, 2007 18:36:07 GMT -5
Either way, App St. is alot better then the lower 15 in D1A. They should take Temple's spot.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 18:40:07 GMT -5
Probably doesn't help them unless they want to join the exodus of teams that make the jump to D-1A, diluting the product further. The only team in recent memory that really to me has made the jump with a major degree of success has been Marshall, who clearly is/was better than over half of the D1-A teams. I don't know if ASU is this way, but if I was a WKU student, I'd sure like a few more home games every year...and maybe a few wins to drink to instead of watching Florida hang 70 on a demoralized group that otherwise would be challenging for a playoff spot normally.
It could give more due exposure to those teams though. Maybe see the D-1AA playoffs on national TV more, things like that. Then maybe once that becomes a bigger cash situation, more teams are willing to stay there...which again helps D-1A from getting too crowded like it is now. With all the name recog and financial gain their gettin right now, I hardly think ASU is thinking "man, if only Shawn Crable blocked better than my grandmother" on the FG unit.
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 5, 2007 18:41:19 GMT -5
And I want to point out that was probably my first and last compliment from cassels...unless I continue RIPPING Michigan for shit I feel they deserve to be ripped on.
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Post by atldawg272 on Sept 5, 2007 18:54:32 GMT -5
I thought about this as well. I don't think it will hurt D-IA schools in general, but it could hurt App. St. individually. Some schools might refuse to schedule them now while others might look to them since they have put themselves on the map. They went to Michigan for only $400,000; I don't know if that fee will go up or down because of their historical victory. How long until the movie comes out?
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Sept 5, 2007 19:42:03 GMT -5
All this thinking is making my head hurt.
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Post by bcsbbad on Sept 5, 2007 19:45:48 GMT -5
Come on chi - it's a small head - can't hurt all that much.
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Post by cff on Sept 6, 2007 7:33:38 GMT -5
It didn't hurt Tennessee. They haven't scheduled a IAA team in a long time. In the 80's if I am correct.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Sept 6, 2007 7:45:05 GMT -5
I can't wait until 2013....UGA vs. App. State.....Wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
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Post by dpb13 on Sept 6, 2007 9:13:38 GMT -5
Probably doesn't help them unless they want to join the exodus of teams that make the jump to D-1A, diluting the product further. The only team in recent memory that really to me has made the jump with a major degree of success has been Marshall, who clearly is/was better than over half of the D1-A teams. Boise?
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Post by teddydupay4 on Sept 6, 2007 18:08:19 GMT -5
How long has Boise been playing D-1A ball? Longer than Marshall I reckon.
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Post by cff on Sept 6, 2007 18:38:54 GMT -5
Way to go UGA, carry the SEC banner and schedule these AA teams.
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Post by cyfan on Sept 6, 2007 20:24:27 GMT -5
No way it hurts App State. You couldn't buy this much publicity for $400,000 and they got paid this much! 1AA is disadvantaged by having 20 some less scholarships and obviously lesser high school recruits but one advantage they do have is that for those Div 1 players who are unhappy with their current situation, they can transfer to a 1AA school without losing a year of eligibility. How many of these decent D1 players will be calling App state at the end of the year?
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