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Post by cff on Sept 7, 2007 10:29:09 GMT -5
Don, I have 22 years of service and I agree with what you have said. I was in a EPW (POW for you non military guys) camp. I watched the special on the history channel on treatment of EPW's in Desert Storm, and while it was similar to what happened, it was not totally accurate.
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Post by hockeygirl on Sept 7, 2007 10:41:41 GMT -5
Come on, you telling me that you think everything the media reports is pure fact? If anyone was to EVER to believe that, then they're livin in a fantasy world. There is very lil that one can believe that the media reports!
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 10:44:24 GMT -5
So if I were to say that I saw you go down on another man in the park and the news broadcast it, it would be fact? People fabricate stories or exaggerate all the time to make it on the television. You can't believe every report on CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, or CBS. You can add any other network that you want. The bottom line is that no lives were lost. People lose lives every day because of stupid driving mistakes, no big deal is made of that. I think this describes it perfectly. Well said CFF.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 10:47:01 GMT -5
I don't believe this was a cover up in anyway. If we wanted to move nukes, why would the gov't even mention it. It would just cause a stir in the public and an uneasy feeling knowing we were moving nukes. This was an incident that should have not ever been reported to the media. The public would not ever had anyway of knowing we were moving them.
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 10:50:06 GMT -5
Maybe since it did get reported, it absolutely will not ahppen again. I wouild hope that that is the effect that comes from this.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 10:50:26 GMT -5
Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around. You really believe that the media and the public deserve to know everything the military does? The media is really good at reporting just the facts, and nothing else....(Did you get the hint of sarcasm?) By the media telling everyone around the world, every thing our military does puts a lot of people at risk, I know that this particular story dont technically put people at risk...quote] Where in my post did i say we deserve to know covert ops going on in iraq? My comment, along with the topic of this thread, has nothing to do with the 'media telling everyone around the world everything our military does'. If the government is flying live nukes over my house, i both deserve and have a right to know this, i dont care if the media has an agenda or not, its hard to spin the stupidity here...it also has nothing to do with our strategy in any 'wars' we are fighting. I always try to stay out of these threads, i have strong opinions, and one of them is a democracy REQUIRES a lot of different media sources reporting, from many angles, what is going on so the population can make informed decisions when its time to vote. Right now we have 95% of media sources coming from 3 or 4 large corps and a government that has been given, in my opinion, may to much power to cover up their actions as well as act without any checks and balances...this is not the correct path IMO.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 10:52:46 GMT -5
also, the media is not required to report unbiased information, they are suppose to be transparent about where their interests are so we can take everything we hear with a truthful grain of salt. The idea is that, with 40, 50, 100 different news sources (of which we currently are allowing 3 or 4 to buy up the rest), all of which having their own angle, we will be able to hear several different sides of every story and form OUR OWN OPINIONS. Instead, most people have one news source and just take what they hear as truth.
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Duuuuuuukes!!!
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Post by poejoe8 on Sept 7, 2007 10:53:46 GMT -5
Where in the Constitution does it state the public should know every detail of what the military does? How did this even get reported? Was this announced by the Pentagon?
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 10:55:14 GMT -5
If the AF told you they were moving nukes it would cause a security threat. All we need is people knowing there is going to be a nuclear weapon on a C-17 taking off from ND at 0900 and landing in LA at 1200.
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 11:02:20 GMT -5
Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around. Amen 1st. If a big frigginnuke is flying over my house when it shouldn't be someone's ass needs to get yanked around to make sure it sure as hell doesn't happen again. You really believe that the media and the public deserve to know everything the military does? The media is really good at reporting just the facts, and nothing else....(Did you get the hint of sarcasm?) By the media telling everyone around the world, every thing our military does puts a lot of people at risk, I know that this particular story dont technically put people at risk...quote] Where in my post did i say we deserve to know covert ops going on in iraq? My comment, along with the topic of this thread, has nothing to do with the 'media telling everyone around the world everything our military does'. If the government is flying live nukes over my house, i both deserve and have a right to know this, i dont care if the media has an agenda or not, its hard to spin the stupidity here...it also has nothing to do with our strategy in any 'wars' we are fighting. I always try to stay out of these threads, i have strong opinions, and one of them is a democracy REQUIRES a lot of different media sources reporting, from many angles, what is going on so the population can make informed decisions when its time to vote. Right now we have 95% of media sources coming from 3 or 4 large corps and a government that has been given, in my opinion, may to much power to cover up their actions as well as act without any checks and balances...this is not the correct path IMO.
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 11:03:15 GMT -5
Where in the Constitution does it state the public should know every detail of what the military does? How did this even get reported? Was this announced by the Pentagon? Where in the Constitution does it say that the people are NOT entitled to knowing about the military. Itsays neither. Let's not go there shall we?
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 11:08:50 GMT -5
If the AF told you they were moving nukes it would cause a security threat. All we need is people knowing there is going to be a nuclear weapon on a C-17 taking off from ND at 0900 and landing in LA at 1200. Yep, sounds like a good opportunity for someone to plan a major strike and hit us again, thats what we need.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 11:11:30 GMT -5
I can tell you first hand there is alot of moving you don't know about. But it is all about security of the weapons so you don't know about it. This was an "accident" and somehow got out to a reporter and then the mil. confirmed it.
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Sept 7, 2007 12:34:57 GMT -5
The weapons are secure .. we can all go back to football with a clear mind. Well .. A less muddled mind than it was before.
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Post by cff on Sept 7, 2007 12:47:51 GMT -5
Nukes will be arriving with targeting information in Nashville on Saturday. They will be targeting the Crimson Tide, totally destroying any chance the team had at rebuilding their program.
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Post by MtnTiger on Sept 7, 2007 12:48:03 GMT -5
So if I were to say that I saw you go down on another man in the park and the news broadcast it, it would be fact? People fabricate stories or exaggerate all the time to make it on the television. You can't believe every report on CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, or CBS. You can add any other network that you want. The bottom line is that no lives were lost. People lose lives every day because of stupid driving mistakes, no big deal is made of that. Only Al Jazeerah is 100% FACTUAL. Oh, and Cassells too.
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Post by wareagleray on Sept 7, 2007 13:24:50 GMT -5
I find it interesting that someone would be totally willing to accept what the media, people who have probably zero military experience, would be able to get an account of what goes on in an elite cabal like the military when those same people would probably discount the information that the military press would provide when the military press guarantees a gold standard to always tell the truth even at the detriment of what they're reporting.
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Post by wareagleray on Sept 7, 2007 13:27:35 GMT -5
Because, honestly, when I read someone have the gall to type that the media doesn't have to be unbiased I threw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 13:36:26 GMT -5
well the media CANT be unbiased, just like this post isn't unbiased and neither is anything you said...every has an opinion, everyone has their own personal experiences and everyone had contacts with the enteties they are reporting on. The point is to get your news from all different angles so that you can point out where the bias is in each, thus the point of free press.
send me a link to one single story about anything that has ever happened in the world that is unbiased.
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Post by wareagleray on Sept 7, 2007 13:40:49 GMT -5
There is an enormous difference between reporting that an event happened and getting news live from the scene and reporting an event and having someone tell you what to think.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 13:56:25 GMT -5
There is an enormous difference between reporting that an event happened and getting news live from the scene and reporting an event and having someone tell you what to think. i dont follow, and i also don't see a link to an unbiased story.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 13:59:42 GMT -5
and for the record i usually dont talk about politics and i mean no harm or agression in my posts, i respect your opinions and, at the end of the day, i really just want PSU to beat notre lame by 8 tds.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Sept 7, 2007 14:28:42 GMT -5
and for the record i usually dont talk about politics and i mean no harm or agression in my posts, i respect your opinions and, at the end of the day, i really just want PSU to beat notre lame by 8 tds. 1st I assume you will understand that I would like ND to have a miraculous game and only lose by one score. Make us look better. Can't go all the way to wanting them to win this one, but I totally want them to look much better this week.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 14:30:48 GMT -5
Now you are just talking crazy nva
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 14:57:23 GMT -5
well the media CANT be unbiased, just like this post isn't unbiased and neither is anything you said...every has an opinion, everyone has their own personal experiences and everyone had contacts with the enteties they are reporting on. The point is to get your news from all different angles so that you can point out where the bias is in each, thus the point of free press. send me a link to one single story about anything that has ever happened in the world that is unbiased. Truer words have not been spoken. Kudos 1st.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 15:13:45 GMT -5
the good news for GT is that they wont drop no matter how bad ND becomes, what really sucks is that you really screwed it up for us...this was suppose to be a big game and now its looking like we really cannot 'win' in this situation, no matter how big we win. A close game does not look good for us, however a blow out can easily be excused b/c they "started a rookie qb, so what can you expect" even if her is currently a god and "will be ready for the PSu atmostphere because he's been on the sidelines in jeans for a lot of UT games".
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Post by cff on Sept 7, 2007 15:15:50 GMT -5
They haven't won yet.
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Post by dawgsfan59 on Sept 7, 2007 15:36:24 GMT -5
I did not bother to read every single post since this morning, but be real those who think you should know everything that goes on in the military. Those who are serving now or served in the past could probably tell you stories of events and situations that the US public knows nothing about and never will. To be honest it might scare the living hell out of you to know everything that does go on.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 15:41:55 GMT -5
i know, and something i have yet to admit is that i am terrified we will lose to that horrible team, i know the odds are low, just about everything i look at says blowout, but there is something about a new qb that scares me, not evidence to back it up, i dont think he looked that good against a second team in prevent, especially considering he hasn't practiced much this summer, but our game last year just left me shaking my head, i still dont understand what happened, that wasn't the same psu team that showed up the week before or any week after that (look at how we played UM compared to ND), but at home, very solid D, developed qb, very good WR core, logically thinking i have nothing to worry about, but i still am not going to sleep very well tonight, which i why i will be heavily medicated as soon as i get off work.
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Post by bcsbbad on Sept 7, 2007 16:40:06 GMT -5
I did not bother to read every single post since this morning, but be real those who think you should know everything that goes on in the military. Those who are serving now or served in the past could probably tell you stories of events and situations that the US public knows nothing about and never will. To be honest it might scare the living hell out of you to know everything that does go on. In Congress - those assholes say kick ass one day and kiss ass the next - and don't hurt any PC ass that can be directed to me - If you don't want to win PLEASE don't send any branch of the military in just to get you re-elected - get some of those things between your legs or admit you'll never grow a pair - MALE or FEMALE - Sorry my friends - I joined the AF in 68 because I hated the Viet Nam (war/conflict - f/u elected officials) because the elected assholes sent my fathers children to war and made sure they couldn't win - if you stop and think that was the beginning of PC - I joined because I couldn't say bad unless there was a chance for my ass to loose it's ass before I could say congress was wrong - nice to see in over 40 years they've only decreased the degree of perceived intelligence we wish existed - We dream and may get lucky - Or Not -
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