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Post by Velocity on Sept 6, 2007 23:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Sept 6, 2007 23:52:41 GMT -5
Not a big deal. USSR did it all the time. Everybody else only wishes they had the chance to do the same.
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Post by blqntan on Sept 6, 2007 23:58:33 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway.
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Post by hockeygirl on Sept 7, 2007 0:02:31 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. Karma for u
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Post by dpb13 on Sept 7, 2007 0:09:45 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. No disrespect intended, but I think you miss the point. The media isn't hysterical abou them carrying nukes. They are hysterical about them carrying nukes by accident. Can't you see the difference?
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Sept 7, 2007 0:21:28 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. BIG FUCKIN "AYE" baby. That is exactly RIGHT! Hell... I and JIM will give ya KARMA for that!
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Post by LEE Fn TORSO on Sept 7, 2007 0:23:23 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. No disrespect intended, but I think you miss the point. The media isn't hysterical abou them carrying nukes. They are hysterical about them carrying nukes by accident. Can't you see the difference? IT DOES NOT MATTER. LET THEM MANAGE THEMSELVES....they are better than average...that should be good enuff for you.
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Post by wareagleray on Sept 7, 2007 4:53:13 GMT -5
I know that every time the military makes a mistake the media is all over their ass about it. And then back in the military's face the next day for the latest scoop so they can spin it and screw the military over again.
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 6:29:11 GMT -5
I know that every time the military makes a mistake the media is all over their ass about it. And then back in the military's face the next day for the latest scoop so they can spin it and screw the military over again. You got that right. I was on a ship in the Persian Gulf when the Vincennes shot down that Iranian Air Bus, and there were so many media helo's flying around and waiting to see if anyone else would do something, it felt like I was back in SC with all the mosquito's. Every time a helo would come close, we all had to go inside the ship to keep from getting filmed. I guess the Captain thought we would give them one of these
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Post by dawgsfan59 on Sept 7, 2007 7:52:45 GMT -5
Karma for you wareagle, I have seen a couple of good people's careers literally go down the drain because of the media. One was a CO and I would have done anything for him, he was a good man. Great leader, walked around the hospital all the time asking what we needed, how things were, and he meant it.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Sept 7, 2007 7:57:18 GMT -5
The media sucks. I can't stand the frikin Post, and not just because they have the Redskins on the front of the sports page everyday of the year.
BUT, btqntan is correct here. The issue they are bringing up is that Nuclear weapons were accidentally flown. These are weapons that we were told as Marines guarding them to keep secured at any cost.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 8:04:03 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. After working with nukes for 8 years, I can tell you this is more then a big deal. It is a huge difference between transporting a nuke on a cargo plane vs. loaded on an aircraft still in a missile. With the criteria it takes to move a nuke, let alone load it and fly it, someone, or better yet, alot of people fucked up big here. The mil. cannot just fly a nuke when they want. They have to get the clearance from way above base level. Not to mention a Treaty was violated too. I promise you there will be a bunch of people moving jobs in the mil. now over this. I can also tell you there was probably a mandatory piss test for a shit load of people. Whoever was directly responsible will probably lose some rank also.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Sept 7, 2007 8:07:49 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. After working with nukes for 8 years, I can tell you this is more then a big deal. It is a huge difference between transporting a nuke on a cargo plane vs. loaded on an aircraft still in a missile. With the criteria it takes to move a nuke, let alone load it and fly it, someone, or better yet, alot of people fucked up big here. The mil. cannot just fly a nuke when they want. They have to get the clearance from way above base level. Not to mention a Treaty was violated too. I promise you there will be a bunch of people moving jobs in the mil. now over this. I can also tell you there was probably a mandatory piss test for a shit load of people. Whoever was directly responsible will probably lose some rank also. Load, you think they actually get to stay in? I realize my entire service was between the Iraq wars, but I can't see them not being booted.
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Post by poejoe8 on Sept 7, 2007 8:12:13 GMT -5
When I heard this I wondered how many times this has happened in the past and it never got reported. I could care less, we have the best military this world has ever seen and I believe they know what the hell they're doing. The media reacts like we had plans to drop these unarmed nukes on ourselves.
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Post by loadtoad on Sept 7, 2007 8:23:07 GMT -5
Hard to say. Supposedly the Air Force is 40,000 over manned currently so if they have any ammo they to boot you, you might go. I think the person dircetly responsible for this could be gone. Someone/or a few were tasked to remove the nukes and it never happened. If the missiles forms were signed off as being done, then someone will be gone. Until the ivestigation happens and they find out how this happened they will just be running desk jobs.
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Post by 1standgoal on Sept 7, 2007 8:34:31 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Sept 7, 2007 8:46:14 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around. We are dumb....We are cutting those 40,000 Air Force billets and replacing them with 30,000 "contractors" Not Government employees but "contract workers" for the Government. I'll bet contractors were responsible for dismantling those and it didn't get done. Contractors covered it up and someone in the military will get slung up for the incompetence of a contractor.. Contractors are destroying your military. It is tearing apart the espirit de corps, cameraderie and the fabric of what makes team and unit building within the military strong. But the comment I just made was stupid about contractors doing it. Why ? Because we don't know the facts. You aren't going to get the facts from the media. You'll get their biased, self serving and sensationalized garbage. Let it get investigated and determine the facts of what happened. From first hand experience the media is not interested in anything but finding someone to blame and hang them out to dry.
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 8:51:24 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around. You really believe that the media and the public deserve to know everything the military does? The media is really good at reporting just the facts, and nothing else....(Did you get the hint of sarcasm?) By the media telling everyone around the world, every thing our military does puts a lot of people at risk, I know that this particular story dont technically put people at risk, but it's the reality of the media thinking they have the right to know everything thats going on in our military that does. I dont know if you have ever been in the military or not, but if you have then you should know that evreything the media prints or says is not always the whole truth.
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 8:53:06 GMT -5
Explain why the media, and thus the population, doesn't deserve to know that the government, which is apparently run by retards, is flying live nuclear weapons over our houses? Listen to loadtoad, this makes us as dumb as any government around. We are dumb....We are cutting those 40,000 Air Force billets and replacing them with 30,000 "contractors" Not Government employees but "contract workers" for the Government. I'll bet contractors were responsible for dismantling those and it didn't get done. Contractors covered it up and someone in the military will get slung up for the incompetence of a contractor.. Contractors are destroying your military. It is tearing apart the espirit de corps, cameraderie and the fabric of what makes team and unit building within the military strong. But the comment I just made was stupid about contractors doing it. Why ? Because we don't know the facts. You aren't going to get the facts from the media. You'll get their biased, self serving and sensationalized garbage. Let it get investigated and determine the facts of what happened. From first hand experience the media is not interested in anything but finding someone to blame and hang them out to dry. Karma for you PJ. Well said.
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Post by cff on Sept 7, 2007 9:09:36 GMT -5
As both a military man and a contractor, I must say that there are valid points here. First off, was this supposed to be a secret? There may be a covert operation that we do not have the need to know going on, the excuse that it was/is a mistake may be a cover up. The military is very responsible in almost everything that they do. Not only are they bound by US law, but international law, and military laws. They are the most regulated organization in the world. Do they make mistakes? Sometimes. If it was a mistake, they will find a way to keep from doing it again. The last thing we need is the media suggesting, then some weak minded politician whoring for votes, trying to run the military.
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 9:13:36 GMT -5
The military has the prerogative to fly nukes around. I think it's more hilarious how hysterical the media gets over something they don't need/deserve to know about anyway. No disrespect intended, but I think you miss the point. The media isn't hysterical abou them carrying nukes. They are hysterical about them carrying nukes by accident. Can't you see the difference? Karma for dpb. Apparently, very few are picking up on this MAJOR difference. Guys it's a great big freaking deal when the US doesn't know where several of its nukes are for a couple of hours.
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Post by nvajacketsfan on Sept 7, 2007 9:27:22 GMT -5
As both a military man and a contractor, I must say that there are valid points here. First off, was this supposed to be a secret? There may be a covert operation that we do not have the need to know going on, the excuse that it was/is a mistake may be a cover up. The military is very responsible in almost everything that they do. Not only are they bound by US law, but international law, and military laws. They are the most regulated organization in the world. Do they make mistakes? Sometimes. If it was a mistake, they will find a way to keep from doing it again. The last thing we need is the media suggesting, then some weak minded politician whoring for votes, trying to run the military. karma for you CFF
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 9:40:18 GMT -5
As both a military man and a contractor, I must say that there are valid points here. First off, was this supposed to be a secret? There may be a covert operation that we do not have the need to know going on, the excuse that it was/is a mistake may be a cover up. The military is very responsible in almost everything that they do. Not only are they bound by US law, but international law, and military laws. They are the most regulated organization in the world. Do they make mistakes? Sometimes. If it was a mistake, they will find a way to keep from doing it again. The last thing we need is the media suggesting, then some weak minded politician whoring for votes, trying to run the military. I would give you Karma if I could.
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Post by wvuchihuahua on Sept 7, 2007 10:01:01 GMT -5
I agree with CFF!!!!
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 10:04:26 GMT -5
No disrespect intended, but I think you miss the point. The media isn't hysterical abou them carrying nukes. They are hysterical about them carrying nukes by accident. Can't you see the difference? Karma for dpb. Apparently, very few are picking up on this MAJOR difference. Guys it's a great big freaking deal when the US doesn't know where several of its nukes are for a couple of hours. And it is an absolute fact that they didnt know where they were since thats what CNN reported?
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 10:09:57 GMT -5
Yes, because that whole having sources and getting confirmation way of doing things for the last 100 years has really bred incesant lies huh?
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 10:12:26 GMT -5
Come on, you telling me that you think everything the media reports is pure fact?
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Post by bamano112x on Sept 7, 2007 10:19:00 GMT -5
If you want 100% facts, go read the encyclopedia or the periodic table; news relies on human witnesses (just like our justice system) who deal with their perceptions of things/events. News gets it done with what it has - people willing to tell what they know/saw.
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Post by cff on Sept 7, 2007 10:25:08 GMT -5
So if I were to say that I saw you go down on another man in the park and the news broadcast it, it would be fact? People fabricate stories or exaggerate all the time to make it on the television. You can't believe every report on CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, or CBS. You can add any other network that you want. The bottom line is that no lives were lost. People lose lives every day because of stupid driving mistakes, no big deal is made of that.
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Post by donaufan on Sept 7, 2007 10:25:23 GMT -5
Are you a reporter?
I have been in the Military long enough and what really happens is almost always totally different than what gets printed. These days the media will do whatever it can to make our president and the military look bad. They will print what will sell the most papers, or get the best ratings. And if they have to change the story just a bit to make it happen then so be it.
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