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Nov 6, 2009 22:54:53 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 6, 2009 22:54:53 GMT -5
Baseball is officially over
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Nov 6, 2009 23:02:23 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:02:23 GMT -5
Baseball is officially over Kind of... High school baseball begins conditioning soon (a few weeks and lifting begins, then open hitting one day a week). Damn Yankees...
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Nov 6, 2009 23:06:23 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 6, 2009 23:06:23 GMT -5
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Nov 6, 2009 23:10:13 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:10:13 GMT -5
That is all good stuff man. Yeah that is an interesting adjustment. I assume that with your legs getting stronger you are pushing off harder (take a look at the big leaguers who throw hard and you see huge legs and great leg drive). That is an interesting curveball grip. It looks like the cutter grip I teach. If you rotate it down a little bit (towards the bottom of the horseshoe) you can get a better grip on the bottom seam to turn it over (at least that is what I did). Might give a try in one of your throwing sessions. Might want to use a couple of different curveballs (maybe one is more like a slider, and more of a breaker). Best of luck bud and keep working on it.
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Nov 6, 2009 23:14:44 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 6, 2009 23:14:44 GMT -5
It is near the bottom of the horseshoe. That is just a bad picture. This curveball has a lot tighter break than any of the other curveballs I have thrown. The other ones I threw were more loopy, 12-6 curveballs. I don't throw sliders cause I don't really have a good arm angle for it
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Nov 6, 2009 23:18:51 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:18:51 GMT -5
It is near the bottom of the horseshoe. That is just a bad picture. This curveball has a lot tighter break than any of the other curveballs I have thrown. The other ones I threw were more loopy, 12-6 curveballs. I don't throw sliders cause I don't really have a good arm angle for it Got ya. Guess I couldn't tell from that photo. That tighter spin has less of a propensity to 'tumble' through the strike zone. That is always a good thing. Really is good to be closer to the bottom of that horseshoe in my opinion because it is easier to really 'twist' that bottom seam. Best of luck bud.
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Nov 6, 2009 23:26:55 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 6, 2009 23:26:55 GMT -5
Oh I forgot, we have one of the nicest fields in Missouri but it comes with a price. So tomorrow I get to pick weeds off the warning track for 3 hours
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Nov 6, 2009 23:29:10 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:29:10 GMT -5
Oh I forgot, we have one of the nicest fields in Missouri but it comes with a price. So tomorrow I get to pick weeds off the warning track for 3 hours Know that feeling my man. It is all worth it for a good field though. I remember the hours of putting up the wind screen up on the entire outfield fence (the shit is expensive, and not easy to put up). Tomorrow I am going to be at the field for the travel team I coach (11 year-olds) to grade the field (its not level now since we had to move to a bigger one). Doing that at 7AM so I don't miss any college football games...its the price we pay my man.
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Nov 6, 2009 23:32:42 GMT -5
Post by badgersballers on Nov 6, 2009 23:32:42 GMT -5
Oh I forgot, we have one of the nicest fields in Missouri but it comes with a price. So tomorrow I get to pick weeds off the warning track for 3 hours Thankfully, I quit playing baseball when I was 12. ;D
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Nov 6, 2009 23:34:10 GMT -5
Post by badgersballers on Nov 6, 2009 23:34:10 GMT -5
Damn Yankees... HATER!!!!!
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Nov 6, 2009 23:35:10 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:35:10 GMT -5
Damn Yankees... HATER!!!!! I knew I wouldn't slip that one by ya...
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Nov 6, 2009 23:50:03 GMT -5
Post by tophb21 on Nov 6, 2009 23:50:03 GMT -5
Damn Yankees... HATER!!!!! Bandwagoner. Save the nostalgia of your pops.
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Nov 6, 2009 23:51:22 GMT -5
Post by tophb21 on Nov 6, 2009 23:51:22 GMT -5
Miz,
Describe your arm torque/angle of your new curve. Do you have a have a hard downward motion of your entire arm or more a snap of the elbow?
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Nov 6, 2009 23:54:53 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 6, 2009 23:54:53 GMT -5
Miz, Describe your arm torque/angle of your new curve. Do you have a have a hard downward motion of your entire arm or more a snap of the elbow? Good question. If he is talking about a tight spin with less 'drop' or 'loop' in his breaking ball I would assume it is less of a 'snap' motion. A regular motion with that tight grip and a little bit of rotation should make it tight but not a 12-6 type break. Of course there is some rotation of the wrist and elbow on the pitch (I am assuming here from my experience) but not the same amount as the 'hammer' type curves.
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Nov 7, 2009 0:24:57 GMT -5
Post by tophb21 on Nov 7, 2009 0:24:57 GMT -5
Miz, Describe your arm torque/angle of your new curve. Do you have a have a hard downward motion of your entire arm or more a snap of the elbow? Good question. If he is talking about a tight spin with less 'drop' or 'loop' in his breaking ball I would assume it is less of a 'snap' motion. A regular motion with that tight grip and a little bit of rotation should make it tight but not a 12-6 type break. Of course there is some rotation of the wrist and elbow on the pitch (I am assuming here from my experience) but not the same amount as the 'hammer' type curves. I always liked to limit the amount of snap on the elbow and have a bit of a wrist snap, but more of a hard downward motion of the entire arm with a fairly tight grip. One of my good friends trained with Gary Ruby (former minor league pitching instructor for the Phils) and he instructed him that way. It's much less harsh on the elbow.
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Nov 7, 2009 0:34:41 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 7, 2009 0:34:41 GMT -5
Those are my thoughts as well Toph. I think the excessive 'snap' is significantly worse than other pitches (I don't give two shits what the research says about the actual stress it puts on it).
I also am of the school that the huge breaking ball is a little easier to hit than the one that breaks less. You can read the bigger break easier, and the tighter spin and smaller amount of break is tougher to read. Also you don't have to make someone look silly, just miss the center of the bat...
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Nov 7, 2009 0:41:30 GMT -5
Post by tophb21 on Nov 7, 2009 0:41:30 GMT -5
Those are my thoughts as well Toph. I think the excessive 'snap' is significantly worse than other pitches (I don't give two shits what the research says about the actual stress it puts on it). I also am of the school that the huge breaking ball is a little easier to hit than the one that breaks less. You can read the bigger break easier, and the tighter spin and smaller amount of break is tougher to read. Also you don't have to make someone look silly, just miss the center of the bat... My buddy had one of the most devasting curve balls that I've seen in either the HS or College ranks. It only broke about a foot, but he would start it about mid thigh and break it below the knee with a very quick dramatic drop. He could really pull the string. That was pretty much how mine was, but not with the same velocity as he could throw that at about 80MPH, where as I was at about 73-75MPH.
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Nov 7, 2009 0:52:39 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 7, 2009 0:52:39 GMT -5
Miz, Describe your arm torque/angle of your new curve. Do you have a have a hard downward motion of your entire arm or more a snap of the elbow? Good question. If he is talking about a tight spin with less 'drop' or 'loop' in his breaking ball I would assume it is less of a 'snap' motion. A regular motion with that tight grip and a little bit of rotation should make it tight but not a 12-6 type break. Of course there is some rotation of the wrist and elbow on the pitch (I am assuming here from my experience) but not the same amount as the 'hammer' type curves. That sounds about right
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Nov 7, 2009 0:53:48 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 7, 2009 0:53:48 GMT -5
Oh the windscreen. That only takes 4 hours to put up.
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Nov 7, 2009 12:32:57 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 7, 2009 12:32:57 GMT -5
I wish more people would teach to throw breaking pitches like that. They can be as nasty if not more difficult to hit than a serious 'turn' of the elbow.
Went out and graded the field today. It had a big drop from the back of the infield to the outfield (huge lip, and like a ramp). Of course this was not the field were at last year...so it needs a lot of work.
Took a skidloader and about 20 tons of dirt and got done with the left side of the field (behind short and 3rd). A hell of a lot of work. Also had to seed the dirt to avoid making the infield way too big.
Next week...the right side and rebuild the mound (it has to have room for a 50 and 54 foot rubber). That makes it tough to build. Also have to build a bullpen mound...
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Nov 7, 2009 12:44:37 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 7, 2009 12:44:37 GMT -5
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Nov 7, 2009 13:03:33 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 7, 2009 13:03:33 GMT -5
That is an awesome field man! Here is the field of the H.S. I am coaching at now:
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Nov 7, 2009 13:37:25 GMT -5
Post by MIZ-SIU on Nov 7, 2009 13:37:25 GMT -5
That is pretty nice too
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Nov 7, 2009 18:27:42 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 7, 2009 18:27:42 GMT -5
It's not too bad. I couldn't find a better picture of it online... On that field we just added in turf in the bullpen so that the home plate areas are no maintenance. Should make it easier to throw bullpens during/after a rain.
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Nov 16, 2009 10:15:31 GMT -5
Post by tophb21 on Nov 16, 2009 10:15:31 GMT -5
Both are pretty sweet fields.
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Nov 18, 2009 10:10:58 GMT -5
Post by BTB07 on Nov 18, 2009 10:10:58 GMT -5
Both are pretty sweet fields. Yep. That is true. Weightlifting for the High School team officially starts in under 2 weeks and open hitting is in right around 2 weeks.
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