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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 7:35:32 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 7:47:16 GMT -5
Generally, I don't see much wrong with the rankings. I mean you can always argue about a couple of spots here and there. But Tennessee ranked 21st? Not sure I have ever seen something like this. They are 7-4 and by the end of the season you could very well possibly have a 4 loss team at the bottom of the rankings. But a team that has been pummelled by Alabama, Missouri and Georgia, the latter on their home field, is still ranked? And the justification is utter nonsense that doesn't even make sense. I know Clemson is also ranked, but at least the Tigers have won a few in a row and beaten ND and UNC. The Vols best win I guess is over A & M.
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Post by tonythegator on Nov 22, 2023 8:43:50 GMT -5
Who else did Tennessee lose to? Asking for a friend.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 9:16:33 GMT -5
Who else did Tennessee lose to? Asking for a friend. I know, but they seemed to have bounced back after that. And if anything, that adds more to the argument that they have no business being ranked.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 9:25:18 GMT -5
💫🅰️♈️🆔 @adavidhalejoint Next year, 2 teams will play for an SEC championship. Both will make the playoff, along with 2-3 others. Michigan and Ohio State will play each other to end the regular season, again the next week, then again in the playoff. It’s dumb. 10:41 PM · Nov 20, 2023 · 4,866 Views
Shehan Jeyarajah @shehanjeyarajah If you're enjoying the tiebreaker chaos, get used to it.
Starting in 2024, every power league will be moving to a 1 vs. 2 setup. The Big Ten will have to solve tiebreakers involving an *18-team* league.
This is just the beginning.
Shehan Jeyarajah @shehanjeyarajah Spoke to a Big 12 official who told me that as many as *126* outcomes technically remain that could conceivably leave up to *seven* teams alive for a berth in the Big 12 Championship Game.
Most require OU, OSU and KSU to all lose. That's why they released a limited amount. 11:52 AM · Nov 20, 2023 · 248.4K Views
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 9:29:08 GMT -5
LOL. He hasn't even touched it all. Ohio State and Michigan play THE GAME. Oh wait, we gotta play next week when it is warm inside Lucas Oil Stadium. Don't worry about that either because we can lose and still get a third crack at them. Maybe we should move THE GAME to the first of the year to avoid an immediate rematch EVERY year. Nothing sounds like a rivalry game better than playing each other in September.
I love how so many of these experts are howling about how great a 12 team playoff would be this year. In a year that has really been pretty devoid of upsets so far, those same experts are claiming how they can't wait for Ohio State and Michigan and Alabama and Georgia and Washington and likely Oregon. And other than seeding, how important would these be in the new format? Yawn. Oh, I know the answer. Eliminate Conference Championship games. Add another nail into the same coffin that has the Red River Rivalry.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 22, 2023 9:40:21 GMT -5
It is fricking silly! When I saw Tennessee being ranked where they are, and seeing who they have beaten, yeah, they are blessed this Thanksgiving week I will say that! But, hey, all it does through my eyes is it gives Georgia another "ranked" win on their resume!
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 10:04:10 GMT -5
It is fricking silly! When I saw Tennessee being ranked where they are, and seeing who they have beaten, yeah, they are blesses this Thanksgiving week I will say that! But, hey, all it does through my eyes is it gives Georgia another "ranked" win on their resume! You are right. It does. But Georgia doesn't need that and I would hardly claim that we beat a ranked team Saturday. We beat an ok team and nothing more. Maybe Kirby called off the dogs hoping to keep the Vols in the rankings. But when you lose on consecutive weeks by 4 touchdowns you should not be in the Top 25.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 10:59:33 GMT -5
Generally, I don't see much wrong with the rankings. I mean you can always argue about a couple of spots here and there. But Tennessee ranked 21st? Not sure I have ever seen something like this. They are 7-4 and by the end of the season you could very well possibly have a 4 loss team at the bottom of the rankings. But a team that has been pummelled by Alabama, Missouri and Georgia, the latter on their home field, is still ranked? And the justification is utter nonsense that doesn't even make sense. I know Clemson is also ranked, but at least the Tigers have won a few in a row and beaten ND and UNC. The Vols best win I guess is over A & M. I want to preface this by saying that I don't think Utah should be ranked either, but: 4. Utah Utes (7-4, unranked) We've reached the point in the season where four-loss teams are in the top 25, yet Utah isn't one of them. Is that fair? Well, the Utes are likely damaged by their current trend line -- losses in three of four, two of which were by 28 or more. But it's worth remembering all four losses were to teams currently in the committee's top 16, while the Utes also have solid wins over Florida, UCLA and USC. Compare that to Tennessee, the highest ranked of the four-loss teams, and it's a no-brainer. Utah has the better strength of record, a head-to-head win over a team that beat Tennessee and a higher-ranked best win (UCLA, No. 25 in SP+ for Utah; No. 33 Kentucky for Tennessee). And even if we're taking a "What have you done for me lately?" approach, the Vols, too, are coming off back-to-back blowout losses. Could this all be a conspiracy by the committee to prop up the SEC and hurt the eventual Pac-12 champion? You didn't hear that from us. www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38953145/college-football-playoff-rankings-2023-anger-index-week-13
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 11:01:41 GMT -5
This one is good too: Florida State Seminoles (11-0, No. 5) This is the part where we're supposed to lament the Seminoles' precipitous tumble from No. 4 to No. 5 after Jordan Travis was injured in a win over North Alabama. Well, we're not going to do that. Washington, as we noted each of the past two weeks, had as good a claim as any to the top four, and after its win against Oregon State in Week 12, it has vaulted into the No. 1 spot in ESPN's strength of record. No one should be angry the Huskies are at No. 4. If anything, the Huskies should be upset they're not higher. The problem for Florida State is that's where the conversation seems to end. But it shouldn't. Ohio State and Michigan each have résumés underpinned almost entirely by beating Penn State. Michigan's next-best win is Maryland. Heck, eight of Michigan's 11 wins have come against teams ranked 60th or worse in the Football Power Index (FPI). That's a higher share of wins against bottom-half teams than Tulane. Ohio State's second-best win is a last-second score against Notre Dame (when the Irish used only 10 defenders), a team Louisville -- FSU's ACC title game opponent -- beat by 13. And how do we know Penn State is good? The Nittany Lions' lone relevant win is over Iowa. Iowa, people! The Hawkeyes treat the forward pass like the Amish treat electric cars.
The season for both Michigan and Ohio State essentially comes down to which one beats the other, a borderline one-game season, yet there's no question whatsoever that the winner will be in the playoff.FSU, though? Even if the Seminoles finish 13-0, there will be a chorus of folks who think they don't belong because they play in the ACC or because they've played too many close games or, most significantly now, because they don't have their starting QB. Of course, it's also worth noting that Stetson Bennett wasn't Georgia's top quarterback option in 2021. Nor was Jake Fromm when the Bulldogs made it to the national title game in 2017. That 2017 game was won by a QB coming off the bench (Tua Tagovailoa). Trevor Lawrence wasn't Clemson's starter for the first four weeks of 2018 when the Tigers won it all. Max Duggan lost the starting QB job for TCU coming out of fall camp last year, but he still led the Horned Frogs to the title game. And, of course, there's Cardale Jones, who came to Ohio State's rescue in 2014 and won the Buckeyes a national title. Now, no one is confusing Tate Rodemaker with Tagovailoa or Lawrence, but is there any proof he can't play at least as well as Jones, Bennett or Duggan? And the point here isn't that anything is guaranteed for FSU post-Travis, but the history of No. 2 (or No. 3) QBs in September making noise in January is actually a lot more extensive than most folks remember. So yes, Washington is deserving. So, too, is Florida State -- with or without Travis. And if the Noles win the next two against Florida and Louisville, there shouldn't be a second's worth of debate. They're in. www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38953145/college-football-playoff-rankings-2023-anger-index-week-13
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 11:16:03 GMT -5
I understand the annual belief that the committee "protects" the SEC. Putting the Vols in the Top 25 reinforces that belief. But unless this group is full of Carpetbaggers, why would they do that? Hell, the only representative from the "It Just Means More Conference" comes from a damn basketball school that has won 1 SEC title in the 90 year history of the league. This is hardly a group of S E C lovers.
This is the makeup of this year's committee:
Boo Corrigan NC State Athletic Director, February 2024 Mitch Barnhart Kentucky Athletic Director, February 2024 Chris Ault Nevada Athletic Director, February 2026 Mark Harlan Utah Athletic Director, February 2026 Chet Gladchuk Navy Athletic Director, February 2025 Jim Grobe Former coach, February 2025 Warde Manuel Michigan Athletic Director, February 2025 David Sayler, Miami (OH) Athletic Director, February 2026 Will Shields Former Nebraska player, February 2024 Rod West Former Notre Dame player, February 2025 Gene Taylor Kansas State Athletic Director, February 2024 Joe Taylor Virginia Union Athletic Director, February 2024 Kelly Whiteside Former college football reporter for multiple outlets, February 2025
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 22, 2023 12:17:13 GMT -5
I understand the annual belief that the committee "protects" the SEC. Putting the Vols in the Top 25 reinforces that belief. But unless this group is full of Carpetbaggers, why would they do that? Hell, the only representative from the "It Just Means More Conference" comes from a damn basketball school that has won 1 SEC title in the 90 year history of the league. This is hardly a group of S E C lovers. This is the makeup of this year's committee: Boo Corrigan NC State Athletic Director, February 2024 Mitch Barnhart Kentucky Athletic Director, February 2024 Chris Ault Nevada Athletic Director, February 2026 Mark Harlan Utah Athletic Director, February 2026 Chet Gladchuk Navy Athletic Director, February 2025 Jim Grobe Former coach, February 2025 Warde Manuel Michigan Athletic Director, February 2025 David Sayler, Miami (OH) Athletic Director, February 2026 Will Shields Former Nebraska player, February 2024 Rod West Former Notre Dame player, February 2025 Gene Taylor Kansas State Athletic Director, February 2024 Joe Taylor Virginia Union Athletic Director, February 2024 Kelly Whiteside Former college football reporter for multiple outlets, February 2025 Darn if it isn't weighted down by SEC members. Only one that I see. SEC bias.
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Post by bilogle on Nov 22, 2023 12:32:52 GMT -5
I understand the annual belief that the committee "protects" the SEC. Putting the Vols in the Top 25 reinforces that belief. But unless this group is full of Carpetbaggers, why would they do that? Hell, the only representative from the "It Just Means More Conference" comes from a damn basketball school that has won 1 SEC title in the 90 year history of the league. This is hardly a group of S E C lovers. This is the makeup of this year's committee: Boo Corrigan NC State Athletic Director, February 2024 Mitch Barnhart Kentucky Athletic Director, February 2024 Chris Ault Nevada Athletic Director, February 2026 Mark Harlan Utah Athletic Director, February 2026 Chet Gladchuk Navy Athletic Director, February 2025 Jim Grobe Former coach, February 2025 Warde Manuel Michigan Athletic Director, February 2025 David Sayler, Miami (OH) Athletic Director, February 2026 Will Shields Former Nebraska player, February 2024 Rod West Former Notre Dame player, February 2025 Gene Taylor Kansas State Athletic Director, February 2024 Joe Taylor Virginia Union Athletic Director, February 2024 Kelly Whiteside Former college football reporter for multiple outlets, February 2025 Darn if it isn't weighted down by SEC members. Only one that I see. SEC bias. only one ESS EEE SEE members, but no one from the left coast... east coast bias
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 22, 2023 13:14:28 GMT -5
Ummmmm...Big 10 sure gets a lot of "cover", jus' sayin'...
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 22, 2023 13:18:47 GMT -5
Give me Iowa's best wins. Ohio State's best wins. Penn State's best wins. Michigan's best wins.
Now, I know being undefeated has its perks, but before anyone pisses all over the SEC, consider the whole and we can go from there. Harp on one Conference only...? Nah, that is being picky.
And, no, this is not only directed at any posters here, but a general view outside of the Conference.
Yes, I bet the SEC gets some courtesies, see Tennessee as Exhibit A in this week's rankings.But, it isn't like it isn't spread out over some other name brands out there either in other Conferences.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 22, 2023 13:33:44 GMT -5
Highest ranked no loss team - Georgia 11-0 Highest ranked 1 loss team - Oregon 10-1 Highest ranked 2 loss team - Missouri 9-2 Highest ranked 3 loss team - LSU 8-3
Maybe the SEC still has some drawing power.
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Post by bilogle on Nov 22, 2023 13:41:30 GMT -5
Highest ranked no loss team - Georgia 11-0 Highest ranked 1 loss team - Oregon 10-1 Highest ranked 2 loss team - Missouri 9-2 Highest ranked 3 loss team - LSU 8-3 Maybe the SEC still has some drawing power. just give the highest 1 loss to Bama.... they will likely claim it anyway
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 22, 2023 13:52:44 GMT -5
Darn if it isn't weighted down by SEC members. Only one that I see. SEC bias. only one ESS EEE SEE members, but no one from the left coast... east coast bias But one from PAC 12 and one from Mountain West. And the one from the PAC comes from a school that actually plays football.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 22, 2023 13:59:45 GMT -5
Five undefeated teams left.
Ohio State or Michigan will lose - four undefeated teams.
Georgia has to defeat two more teams - Ga Tech and Bama Michigan has to defeat two more teams - Ohio State and Big 10 CCG team Washington has to defeat two more teams - Wash St and PAC CCG team FSU has to defeat Florida and ACC CCG team Louisville
So at most 4 undefeated teams or maybe only one or two depending on how the next two weeks play out.
This is the way it plays out most years.
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