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Post by tophb21 on Nov 30, 2023 8:56:07 GMT -5
No matter what system you have, you will never be able to crown a “best” team. “Best” is a completely subjective term and can’t be quantified or validated because the parameters can be different to different people. What we should be worried about is how do we crown a champion and what are the most objective criteria in doing so.
Sometimes the “best” team won’t win the the championship. That’s ok. If you’re looking to crown the “best” team there is no need in playing the games. We can decide that every year during ‘Cruitin season. It’s merely a paper title.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 30, 2023 10:23:51 GMT -5
Okay, lets do away with Conference games for the most part for Conferences, let the non P5 teams play at least five Power 5 teams to get the schedules to be a little more "equal", let P5 teams play five non P5 teams, and then we would be getting a little more equal with the scheduling. Then, if a non P5 team comes in undefeated, then sure, automatic bid to all Conference Champions. But, we all know this isn't happening as we will have 12 teams in next year. <--------WINK
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 10:50:41 GMT -5
Okay, lets do away with Conference games for the most part for Conferences, let the non P5 teams play at least five Power 5 teams to get the schedules to be a little more "equal", let P5 teams play five non P5 teams, and then we would be getting a little more equal with the scheduling. Then, if a non P5 team comes in undefeated, then sure, automatic bid to all Conference Champions. But, we all know this isn't happening as we will have 12 teams in next year. <--------WINK We can start with the SEC playing 9 IC games to make things more equal.
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Nov 30, 2023 11:03:25 GMT -5
Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 30, 2023 11:03:25 GMT -5
Okay, lets do away with Conference games for the most part for Conferences, let the non P5 teams play at least five Power 5 teams to get the schedules to be a little more "equal", let P5 teams play five non P5 teams, and then we would be getting a little more equal with the scheduling. Then, if a non P5 team comes in undefeated, then sure, automatic bid to all Conference Champions. But, we all know this isn't happening as we will have 12 teams in next year. <--------WINK We can start with the SEC playing 9 IC games to make things more equal. Or, be a G5 team and schedule nothing but P5 teams with your OOC scheduling and see how you compare to teams on that level. I mean, if we want "equal" then let's get to equal. Tiger Woods didn't step out onto the course spotting players strokes to make it "even". It was up to the golfer themselves to step up their game to beat the best. Well, G5 teams should "step up" their game and see how they compete with the best by scheduling nothing but P5 teams OOC. No, it doesn't have to be all the better teams, but play the TCUs, the Oregon States, the Kentucky's, the Nebraskas of the world, hell, make in Vandy, Stanford, Indiana, perhaps with some of the better names out there, and then we will see how "equal" these teams are to those who schedule similarly. Gotta love how some folks want the P5s to play more P5s, but then want to give the G5 teams the benefit of the doubt when they play one, maybe two P5 teams in total of their schedule. Yeah, every G5 Conference Champ deserves a seat at the table of teams who have to play, what is it now, 9 P5 teams at the minimum? I thought I was decent at math, but not sure I was ever taught that 1=9 or 2=9
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Nov 30, 2023 11:07:31 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 11:07:31 GMT -5
Gotta love how some folks want the P5s to play more P5s, but then want to give the G5 teams the benefit of the doubt when they play one, maybe two P5 teams in total of their schedule. As noted earlier, playing only 1 or 2 games a year hasn't hurt tOSU or Michigan any.
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Nov 30, 2023 11:23:50 GMT -5
Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 30, 2023 11:23:50 GMT -5
Gotta love how some folks want the P5s to play more P5s, but then want to give the G5 teams the benefit of the doubt when they play one, maybe two P5 teams in total of their schedule. As noted earlier, playing only 1 or 2 games a year hasn't hurt tOSU or Michigan any. 1=9
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Nov 30, 2023 18:28:40 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 18:28:40 GMT -5
Just checking, do bowl games count when it serves the purpose or do they not count because we all know that "Bowel" games are exhibition games? I'll hang up and wait. While we are mulling that lets look at the 10 teams that would have qualified for the 10 team, champions only playoff: With your 10 team playoff, these are 10 of the teams that would compete for 5 slots in the non power 5: Tulane 1 Power 5 played, 1 loss to Ole Miss by 17 SMU 2 Power 5 played, loss to OU by 17, loss to TCU by 17 Liberty 0 Power 5 played N.M. State 1 Power 5 played 1 win over Auburn by 21 Miami Oh 2 Power 5 played 1 win over Cincinnati by 7; loss to Miami Fl by 35 Toledo 1 Power 5 played 1 loss to Illinois 7 Boise St 2 Power 5 played 1 loss to Washington by 36; 1 loss to UCF by 2 S. Jose 2 Power 5 played 1 loss to USC by 28; loss to Oregon St by 25 J. Madison 1 Power 5 played 1 win over UVA by 3 Troy 1 Power 5 played 1 loss to K.State by 29 If we believe these are among the best 10 teams in college football, I am all for it. Not sure how many fans will tune in, but that should not matter. That is today. If an opportunity was presented to recruits to go to their home college and actually participate in a real competitive season, they may change who they commit to. As far as the best 10 teams, each is the best in their conference. Make the regular season meaningful.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:36:55 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 18:36:55 GMT -5
We can start with the SEC playing 9 IC games to make things more equal. Or, be a G5 team and schedule nothing but P5 teams with your OOC scheduling and see how you compare to teams on that level. I mean, if we want "equal" then let's get to equal. Tiger Woods didn't step out onto the course spotting players strokes to make it "even". It was up to the golfer themselves to step up their game to beat the best. Well, G5 teams should "step up" their game and see how they compete with the best by scheduling nothing but P5 teams OOC. No, it doesn't have to be all the better teams, but play the TCUs, the Oregon States, the Kentucky's, the Nebraskas of the world, hell, make in Vandy, Stanford, Indiana, perhaps with some of the better names out there, and then we will see how "equal" these teams are to those who schedule similarly. Gotta love how some folks want the P5s to play more P5s, but then want to give the G5 teams the benefit of the doubt when they play one, maybe two P5 teams in total of their schedule. Yeah, every G5 Conference Champ deserves a seat at the table of teams who have to play, what is it now, 9 P5 teams at the minimum? I thought I was decent at math, but not sure I was ever taught that 1=9 or 2=9 So you want the G5 teams to schedule like UGA. Weak teams in conference and GT as a P5?
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Nov 30, 2023 18:42:51 GMT -5
Post by bigdawgs on Nov 30, 2023 18:42:51 GMT -5
Just checking, do bowl games count when it serves the purpose or do they not count because we all know that "Bowel" games are exhibition games? I'll hang up and wait. While we are mulling that lets look at the 10 teams that would have qualified for the 10 team, champions only playoff: With your 10 team playoff, these are 10 of the teams that would compete for 5 slots in the non power 5: Tulane 1 Power 5 played, 1 loss to Ole Miss by 17 SMU 2 Power 5 played, loss to OU by 17, loss to TCU by 17 Liberty 0 Power 5 played N.M. State 1 Power 5 played 1 win over Auburn by 21 Miami Oh 2 Power 5 played 1 win over Cincinnati by 7; loss to Miami Fl by 35 Toledo 1 Power 5 played 1 loss to Illinois 7 Boise St 2 Power 5 played 1 loss to Washington by 36; 1 loss to UCF by 2 S. Jose 2 Power 5 played 1 loss to USC by 28; loss to Oregon St by 25 J. Madison 1 Power 5 played 1 win over UVA by 3 Troy 1 Power 5 played 1 loss to K.State by 29 If we believe these are among the best 10 teams in college football, I am all for it. Not sure how many fans will tune in, but that should not matter. That is today. If an opportunity was presented to recruits to go to their home college and actually participate in a real competitive season, they may change who they commit to. As far as the best 10 teams, each is the best in their conference. Make the regular season meaningful. Again, you persistently avoid the question. How do we provide that opportunity? Simple question. What can we do to level the playing field for these teams? It has to be more than simply playing in some fabricated playoff that again, is clearly not interested in determining the best team.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:44:25 GMT -5
Post by bigdawgs on Nov 30, 2023 18:44:25 GMT -5
Or, be a G5 team and schedule nothing but P5 teams with your OOC scheduling and see how you compare to teams on that level. I mean, if we want "equal" then let's get to equal. Tiger Woods didn't step out onto the course spotting players strokes to make it "even". It was up to the golfer themselves to step up their game to beat the best. Well, G5 teams should "step up" their game and see how they compete with the best by scheduling nothing but P5 teams OOC. No, it doesn't have to be all the better teams, but play the TCUs, the Oregon States, the Kentucky's, the Nebraskas of the world, hell, make in Vandy, Stanford, Indiana, perhaps with some of the better names out there, and then we will see how "equal" these teams are to those who schedule similarly. Gotta love how some folks want the P5s to play more P5s, but then want to give the G5 teams the benefit of the doubt when they play one, maybe two P5 teams in total of their schedule. Yeah, every G5 Conference Champ deserves a seat at the table of teams who have to play, what is it now, 9 P5 teams at the minimum? I thought I was decent at math, but not sure I was ever taught that 1=9 or 2=9 So you want the G5 teams to schedule like UGA. Weak teams in conference and GT as a P5? Well, if Tennessee and Florida would fix their programs, we wouldn't be talking about a weak schedule. As for non conference games, you guys aren't even in the discussion.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:50:08 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 18:50:08 GMT -5
That is today. If an opportunity was presented to recruits to go to their home college and actually participate in a real competitive season, they may change who they commit to. As far as the best 10 teams, each is the best in their conference. Make the regular season meaningful. Again, you persistently avoid the question. How do we provide that opportunity? Simple question. What can we do to level the playing field for these teams? It has to be more than simply playing in some fabricated playoff that again, is clearly not interested in determining the best team. You know the answer, you just don't want to acknowledge it. As far as fabricated, what we have now is fabricated. Level the playing field by giving all teams that play the same path to a championship. Win your conference your in, don't and you're out. Does the regular season not determine who the best team in a conference is? If it doesn't, the regular season is meaningless.
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Nov 30, 2023 18:52:03 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 18:52:03 GMT -5
So you want the G5 teams to schedule like UGA. Weak teams in conference and GT as a P5? Well, if Tennessee and Florida would fix their programs, we wouldn't be talking about a weak schedule. As for non conference games, you guys aren't even in the discussion. Not sure what you mean here, but counting GT as a quality opponent because of a P5 designation every year is dumber than dirt. Some years they are quality, but recently I would not rate them as quality.
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Nov 30, 2023 19:08:25 GMT -5
Post by bigdawgs on Nov 30, 2023 19:08:25 GMT -5
You seem to forget we play Tech and almost every year one more power 5 team. Our future schedules have multiple power 5 teams every year starting in 25, plus Tech. You are the one who suggested we were scheduling weak.
And now you are tap dancing saying I know how to level the playing field. No I don't. Please tell us because you constantly are telling us that these other teams need the opportunity. Is that opportunity merely getting into a playoff or is it building up their program? How do you make that happen? Get them more TV money? Have Power 5 conferences give them money? What do you do to give them a better shot? And if I knew, please refresh an old person's memory.
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Nov 30, 2023 21:06:49 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 21:06:49 GMT -5
You seem to forget we play Tech and almost every year one more power 5 team. Our future schedules have multiple power 5 teams every year starting in 25, plus Tech. You are the one who suggested we were scheduling weak. And now you are tap dancing saying I know how to level the playing field. No I don't. Please tell us because you constantly are telling us that these other teams need the opportunity. Is that opportunity merely getting into a playoff or is it building up their program? How do you make that happen? Get them more TV money? Have Power 5 conferences give them money? What do you do to give them a better shot? And if I knew, please refresh an old person's memory. Thanks for making my point. Tech is weak. They appear to be headed in the right direction, but still not winning their conference any time soon. There is one word, and you know it. Opportunity, that is the word. Having the opportunity to win a championship will improve several programs. We will still have a Vandy here and there, but several will improve. The US population has grown by 100 million people since 1980, I am sure that a few more schools could be competitive.
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Nov 30, 2023 21:07:47 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Nov 30, 2023 21:07:47 GMT -5
And it isn't just me saying the schedule is weak, every method of SOS says it too.
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Nov 30, 2023 21:10:16 GMT -5
Post by bigdawgs on Nov 30, 2023 21:10:16 GMT -5
You simply can't answer the question. Talk to yourself. As for Tech, they have won a conference since your guys have.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 30, 2023 22:26:17 GMT -5
You simply can't answer the question. Talk to yourself. As for Tech, they have won a conference since your guys have. Hell, bigdawgs, I will put Georgia's OOC Schedule up against Tennessee's over the Kirby era and compare who schedules weak OOC, and only one P5 team. Ironically, Tennessee played GT in 2017 Georgia OOC P5 over Kirby era... 2016- North Carolina (8-5) Georgia Tech (9-4) 2017- Notre Dame (10-3) Georgia Tech (5-6) 2018- Georgia Tech (7-6) 2019- Notre Dame (11-2) Georgia Tech (3-9) 2020- NO OOC 2021- Clemson (10-3) Georgia Tech (3-9) 2022- Oregon (10-3) Georgia Tech (5-7) 2023- Georgia Tech (6-6) P5 teams played- GT 7 times, Others 5 TOTAL 12 Tennessee OOC P5... 2016- Virginia Tech (10-4) 2017- Georgia Tech (5-6) 2018- West Virginia (8-4) 2019- None 2020- NO OOC 2021- Pittsburg (11-3) 2022- Pittsburg (9-4) 2023- Virginia (3-9) P5 teams played- TOTAL 6
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Dec 1, 2023 17:45:40 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Dec 1, 2023 17:45:40 GMT -5
You simply can't answer the question. Talk to yourself. As for Tech, they have won a conference since your guys have. You are not helping your point here, so you have another shitty team on your resune'.
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Dec 1, 2023 17:46:52 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Dec 1, 2023 17:46:52 GMT -5
You simply can't answer the question. Talk to yourself. As for Tech, they have won a conference since your guys have. Hell, bigdawgs, I will put Georgia's OOC Schedule up against Tennessee's over the Kirby era and compare who schedules weak OOC, and only one P5 team. Ironically, Tennessee played GT in 2017 Georgia OOC P5 over Kirby era... 2016- North Carolina (8-5) Georgia Tech (9-4) 2017- Notre Dame (10-3) Georgia Tech (5-6) 2018- Georgia Tech (7-6) 2019- Notre Dame (11-2) Georgia Tech (3-9) 2020- NO OOC 2021- Clemson (10-3) Georgia Tech (3-9) 2022- Oregon (10-3) Georgia Tech (5-7) 2023- Georgia Tech (6-6) P5 teams played- GT 7 times, Others 5 TOTAL 12 Tennessee OOC P5... 2016- Virginia Tech (10-4) 2017- Georgia Tech (5-6) 2018- West Virginia (8-4) 2019- None 2020- NO OOC 2021- Pittsburg (11-3) 2022- Pittsburg (9-4) 2023- Virginia (3-9) P5 teams played- TOTAL 6 That's about even then, isn't it? We have played 6 and you 5.
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Dec 1, 2023 18:05:02 GMT -5
Post by bigdawgs on Dec 1, 2023 18:05:02 GMT -5
Math is clearly a challenge in the Volunteer State. Well, at least up until you have to use more than two hands. Even at that you want to count Tech for yourselves. Logic is as big a strength as math.
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Dec 1, 2023 19:58:28 GMT -5
Post by NCBulldawg on Dec 1, 2023 19:58:28 GMT -5
<smdh>
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Dec 1, 2023 21:40:09 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Dec 1, 2023 21:40:09 GMT -5
Math is clearly a challenge in the Volunteer State. Well, at least up until you have to use more than two hands. Even at that you want to count Tech for yourselves. Logic is as big a strength as math. Nope, they were separated by your fellow Bulldog. I simply agreed with that, along with several GT fans that thought they should go to FCS.
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Dec 1, 2023 21:41:40 GMT -5
Post by CFF on Dec 1, 2023 21:41:40 GMT -5
See my damn hottie?
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