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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 5, 2023 16:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 5, 2023 16:10:26 GMT -5
Dan Wolken @danwolken If you do the math on this new NCAA proposal you’re talking about less than a $10 million annual investment for most athletic departments if my math is correct. So this will end up going through but it is a clear attempt to cap earnings. 10:18 AM · Dec 5, 2023 · 60K Views Nicole Auerbach @nicoleauerbach Clarification from the NCAA: Opting into the new subdivision would be an institutional decision. So, some members of a conference could be in the subdivision and some not, in theory. (A league could mandate it being league-wide, though.) Quote Nicole Auerbach @nicoleauerbach · 5h In a groundbreaking move, NCAA president Charlie Baker has proposed the creation of a new subdivision that would allow schools to directly compensate athletes through trust funds and NIL payments: theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/12:11 PM · Dec 5, 2023 · 145.6K Views
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Post by NCBulldawg on Dec 5, 2023 16:34:27 GMT -5
You all, so to speak, wanted this, and here ya go..."NFL Lite" has been birthed. How convenient this comes on the heels of the controversy of the PO choices, and that phenomenon. Not like this was not already in play prior to Sunday. This is huge!!!
So, Fox and CBS on one side, Disney and its ABC/ESPN on the other. Something tells me this abuse of power and lust for $$$ is going to ruin college athletics in places in didn't realize when more and more schools can not compete with the schools with billions in their bank account ready for allocation. The rich schools will get richer. The not able to compete financially will only get "poorer", or will find themselves delegated to a lower classification not included within the "Big 2 footprint", whatever that ends up being.
And, folks thought the little schools, all the players were going to get benefits with NIL/Portal??
Nah...just going to isolate the rich from the not so rich, students with nowhere to play as their sports get usurped in support of the moneymaking football programs who are all ready built for such, or "close enough", while Universities drop sports because they can not afford the travel across the country, etc.. Nothing like Rutgers and UCLA being a simple game for Women's Volleyball. Even with all the money, somehow, some way, the student athlete will get hurt, but those in the Administrations will get rich, etc.
The pageantry of it all will slowly transition into something else, and well...frankly, I am glad I got to experience it firsthand in its last of the glory days!! Okay, fine, the past 42 years!!
Yep, a little dramatic, and I am okay with such. Just truly hate where the game is going, but it will give some new matchups we were not accustomed to viewing unless in Bowl games, or an occasional BCS matchup!
There is so much to unpack, my mind is a million miles a minute, and can't quite keep it focused on one point at a time. But, this initial release bothers me on where the CFB game is headed. Yep, I will like some of the new matchups with the expansion...but at what expense to the whole! <sigh>
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 5, 2023 16:53:22 GMT -5
I could see them aiming to get to 64-72 schools to be in the subdivision. And then voila back to the more regionally centric leagues for football that ties into the playoff.
We’ll see what shakes out. Wouldn’t be the worst thing to me. Because at the end of the day we really don’t give a shit about the SunBelt or MAC. In fact I’d rather not see them on my team’s schedule.
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 5, 2023 16:56:39 GMT -5
I could see them aiming to get to 64-72 schools to be in the subdivision. And then voila back to the more regionally centric leagues for football that ties into the playoff. We’ll see what shakes out. Wouldn’t be the worst thing to me. Because at the end of the day we really don’t give a shit about the SunBelt or MAC. In fact I’d rather not see them on my team’s schedule. As long as their champion gets into the playoff, I am fine with that.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Dec 5, 2023 17:08:45 GMT -5
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Post by NCBulldawg on Dec 5, 2023 17:11:48 GMT -5
Don't hate me for the format as I tried to clean it up. May have cut a sentence by accident.
NCAA President Charlie Baker calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletes By Ralph D. Russo | AP December 5, 2023 at 4:49 p.m. EST
(John Bazemore/AP)
LAS VEGAS — NCAA President Charlie Baker is asking members to make one of the most dramatic shifts in the history of college sports by allowing highly resourced schools to pay some of their athletes.
In a letter sent to more than 350 Division I schools Tuesday, Baker said he wants the association to create a new tier of NCAA Division I sports where schools would be required to offer at least half their athletes a payment of at least $30,000 per year through a trust fund.
Baker also proposed allowing all Division I schools to offer unlimited educational benefits and enter into name, image and likeness licensing deals with athletes. He said the disparity in resources between the wealthiest schools in the top tier of Division I called the Football Bowl Subdivision and other D-I members — along with the hundreds of Division II and III schools — is creating “a new series of challenges.”
“The challenges are competitive as well as financial and are complicated further by the intersection of name, image and likeness opportunities for student-athletes and the arrival of the Transfer Portal,” wrote Baker, the former Massachusetts governor who took over at the NCAA in March.
Baker is scheduled to speak Wednesday at the Sports Business Journal’s Intercollegiate Athletic Forum in Las Vegas.
Division I is currently divided for football into the FBS, which has 133 schools, and FCS (Football Championship Subdivision). Baker’s proposal is aimed at creating a new subdivision, covering all sports, where the richest athletic departments in the so-called Power Five conferences — the Big Ten, Southeastern Conference, Big 12, Atlantic Coast Conference and Pac-12 — can operate differently than the rest, while still competing with the rest of Division I.
Conference realignment starting in 2024 will move the Pac-12 out of that group.
The proposed shift would not require all members of a conference to be part of the new subdivision. Schools would be allowed to make that determination individually. Baker noted athletic budgets in Division I range from $5 million and $250 million annually, with 59 schools spending over $100 million annually and another 32 spending over $50 million. He said 259 Division I schools, however, spend less than $50 million on their athletic programs.
Baker said the difference in the way schools that participate in revenue-generating college sports such as major college football and basketball operate and the vast majority of college sports is complicating attempts to modernize the entire enterprise.
“The contextual environment is equally challenging, as the courts and other public entities continue to debate reform measures that in many cases would seriously damage parts or all of college athletics,” he wrote.
Mountain West Commissioner Gloria Nevarez said a during the Sports Business Journal’s Intercollegiate Sports Forum that subdivision can be a trigger word in the NCAA, stoking worries some schools will be shut out of championship events or lose out on revenue. Nevarez didn’t read Baker’s proposal that way.
“When I read it ... it talked about space to make governance,” she said.
Baker and college sports leaders have been pleading with Congress to help the NCAA with a federal law to regulate the way athletes can be paid for NIL deals.
“I am 100% supportive of your efforts. Intercollegiate Athletics needs the proactive and forward thinking you are providing,” Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith said in a post on social media platform X.
Smith oversees one of the largest athletic departments in the country with operating expenses of above $225 million annually.
Former Southern California and NFL star Reggie Bush called schools paying athletes, “Long overdue.”
Bush, who was being inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame on Tuesday night in Las Vegas, was the focus of an NCAA impermissible benefits infractions case during his USC career that resulted in the vacation of a national title for the Trojans and Bush’s 2005 Heisman Trophy victory.
Baker’s letter is an aggressive first step toward a major shift for the NCAA. To turn his vision into detailed legislation will take member feedback, lots of work by the Division I Council and final approval from the Division I Board of Directors.
There is no timetable to bring the proposal to fruition.
The NCAA is also facing a new round of legal threats that could force its members to share some of the billions in revenue generated by major college football and basketball, along with giving athletes employees status. One antitrust case working its way through federal court could cost the NCAA billions in damages.
Baker called on NCAA member schools to create a new framework to make what he called “fundamental changes.”
“First, we should make it possible for all Division I colleges and universities to offer student-athletes any level of enhanced educational benefits they deem appropriate. Second, rules should change for any Division I school, at their choice, to enter into name, image and likeness licensing opportunities with their student-athletes,” he wrote. “These two changes will enhance the financial opportunities available to all Division I student-athletes.”
Currently, schools are allowed — though not required — to provide athletes $5,980 per year in educational benefits under NCAA rules.
Baker said the changes would help level the playing field between men’s and women’s athletics by forcing schools to abide by gender equity regulations as they invest.
He said schools in a new tier of Division I should be allowed, while staying compliant with Title IX, to “invest at least $30,000 per year into an enhanced educational trust fund for at least half of the institution’s eligible student-athletes.”
A new D-I subdivision should also allow members to create unique rules regarding “scholarship commitment and roster size, recruitment, transfers or NIL,” he said.
Mid-American Conference Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said Baker’s proposal merely defines what already exists: The power conference schools have separated themselves financially, already provide greater benefits to athletes and have some autonomy in the NCAA legislative process.
“I think probably a lot of people are saying this is the precursor of the great breakaway (of power conferences from the NCAA),” Steinbrecher said. “I would suggest to you it’s exactly the opposite. It’s taking the pressure valve off.”
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Post by CFF on Dec 5, 2023 18:13:34 GMT -5
I could see them aiming to get to 64-72 schools to be in the subdivision. And then voila back to the more regionally centric leagues for football that ties into the playoff. We’ll see what shakes out. Wouldn’t be the worst thing to me. Because at the end of the day we really don’t give a shit about the SunBelt or MAC. In fact I’d rather not see them on my team’s schedule. As long as their champion gets into the playoff, I am fine with that. I knew at the end of the day you would agree with me.
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Post by ghost on Dec 6, 2023 3:38:59 GMT -5
Or...... fuck it all NCAA,
Yup. Every college just cut sports. Gone. No more.
You can then rebuild it under a new model if you want like the old armature status.
But at this point. Close the campus to all athletes, move along.... watch what happens. Or keep this bs going and keep losing money/members...
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 6, 2023 9:56:56 GMT -5
Or...... fuck it all NCAA, Yup. Every college just cut sports. Gone. No more. You can then rebuild it under a new model if you want like the old armature status. But at this point. Close the campus to all athletes, move along.... watch what happens. Or keep this bs going and keep losing money/members... This makes no sense.
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Post by bilogle on Dec 6, 2023 10:53:41 GMT -5
Or...... fuck it all NCAA, Yup. Every college just cut sports. Gone. No more. You can then rebuild it under a new model if you want like the old armature status. But at this point. Close the campus to all athletes, move along.... watch what happens. Or keep this bs going and keep losing money/members... This makes no sense. it's ghost... did you expect otherwise?
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Post by ghost on Dec 6, 2023 11:27:12 GMT -5
Or...... fuck it all NCAA, Yup. Every college just cut sports. Gone. No more. You can then rebuild it under a new model if you want like the old armature status. But at this point. Close the campus to all athletes, move along.... watch what happens. Or keep this bs going and keep losing money/members... This makes no sense. Why? Its about the only way to reset and get control back. we are very close to losing the high School system too with the college NiL bleeding over to the HS. It has been said numerous times that football is the money making sport the has to pay for the other 30-50 sports/competitiyon teams at a school. Schools should be able to support themselves from tuition alone. if they cut all the athletic budgets completely and just went to education institutions they could survive long enough to rebuild the AD's from the ground up. that or just completely change governing party and make all athletes employees.... make the sign non-competes, put in hire and fire protections in a collective.. i realize it makes "no sense" but nothing right now does.... its massive chaos with no control.... I love watching TTU, rooting for the underdog, etc..... but i have tried to watch 4 CBB games this season and i have to admit i don't know 90% of the roster.... and i just don't care to watch. Its like watching the opening scene to "Baseketball"
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Post by ghost on Dec 6, 2023 11:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 6, 2023 14:33:33 GMT -5
Or...... fuck it all NCAA, Yup. Every college just cut sports. Gone. No more. You can then rebuild it under a new model if you want like the old armature status. But at this point. Close the campus to all athletes, move along.... watch what happens. Or keep this bs going and keep losing money/members... This makes no sense. Makes good sense to me. A bunch of schools could just say "fuck you" to the NCAA and form a new athletic alliance. After all, the NCAA is just a group of schools, formed by the schools, and governed by the schools. Schools that don't agree with what is happening could quit and join the NAIA, or they can just form a new alliance. What is wrong with that?
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 6, 2023 15:06:54 GMT -5
Makes good sense to me. A bunch of schools could just say "fuck you" to the NCAA and form a new athletic alliance. After all, the NCAA is just a group of schools, formed by the schools, and governed by the schools. Schools that don't agree with what is happening could quit and join the NAIA, or they can just form a new alliance. What is wrong with that? Which is not at all what he was saying. He was talking about walking away from athletics for a period of time and then start over from scratch. Total overreaction.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 6, 2023 15:37:25 GMT -5
Makes good sense to me. A bunch of schools could just say "fuck you" to the NCAA and form a new athletic alliance. After all, the NCAA is just a group of schools, formed by the schools, and governed by the schools. Schools that don't agree with what is happening could quit and join the NAIA, or they can just form a new alliance. What is wrong with that? Which is not at all what he was saying. He was talking about walking away from athletics for a period of time and then start over from scratch. Total overreaction. Well, he also called for "armature" status, but we know he meant something else.
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Post by ghost on Dec 6, 2023 20:10:41 GMT -5
Makes good sense to me. A bunch of schools could just say "fuck you" to the NCAA and form a new athletic alliance. After all, the NCAA is just a group of schools, formed by the schools, and governed by the schools. Schools that don't agree with what is happening could quit and join the NAIA, or they can just form a new alliance. What is wrong with that? Which is not at all what he was saying. He was talking about walking away from athletics for a period of time and then start over from scratch. Total overreaction. Because you would have to in order to rebuild or get out of current deals.
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Post by CFF on Dec 6, 2023 20:37:55 GMT -5
Pure greed. It all started when they kept multiplying bowel games.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Dec 7, 2023 6:52:05 GMT -5
Honestly, this makes sense. Let’s pull the curtain off the charade.
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 7, 2023 7:42:44 GMT -5
It is the first attempt at SOMETHING in years and years. Might be a reasonable starting point. The genie is out of the bottle...time to think of something new.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Dec 7, 2023 9:45:37 GMT -5
It is the first attempt at SOMETHING in years and years. Might be a reasonable starting point. The genie is out of the bottle...time to think of something new. Charlie Baker is a sharp guy. He was a big loss for the Massachusetts Republican Party (and state as a whole) when the fringe elements were so petty and stupid he decided not to run again. But I digress. Hopefully he can shape the NCAA into an organization with a purpose again. After decades of shit leadership, it’s much needed.
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Post by ghost on Dec 7, 2023 11:45:16 GMT -5
I think its pretty easy....
1. NCAA or like entity sets up for all FBS schools the same rules. 2. roster limit to 100 (25 per year scholarships) 3. ALL players are employees. 4. All employees sign Non-competes like most other companies. 5. All employees are paid a salary based on the # of years in the program. 6. $50,000 a year starting salary. 7. BUT, tuition is not "free", it comes out of salary.... as do taxes, and everything just like a job. 8. housing is still included in job, medical, dental, everything like a job. 9. players are free to quit or seek other emplyoesment at will, but again, non-competes are set for time frame in which they are allowed to JOIN another team.... I.E. be hired by another school.... leave at your own risk. 10. schools can fire you. but if fired, you can file un-emplyoement just like everyone else. 11. All NIL is paid to the emplyoer and set aside in a trust, like a "401K".... If you leave the 401K is allowed to transfer minus any debt owned to the previous employer.
Once they become employees all this NIL and Transfer portal bllshit goes away for the most part. real life kicks in and debts are paid. bills come due. The school pays out there scholarships but the players must pay it back. this also means that they players still must attend class like anyone else, and if they don't pass, they don't play. The employer sets the rules.... employees have rights, benefits, and PAY...... but welcome to the real world kids.
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