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Post by Smog on Jan 1, 2024 12:28:30 GMT -5
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#13 LSU vs unranked 5-loss Wisconsin
#8 Oregon vs should-be-unranked Liberty College.
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Wouldn't you rather see...
#8 Oregon vs #13 LSU?
If Liberty played Wisconsin it might be a better game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 12:38:37 GMT -5
Bowl tie ins
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 12:41:42 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, 5 loss Wisconsin is currently outplaying #13 LSU
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 12:44:30 GMT -5
Or was your point that Liberty could give Wisconsin a better game than LSU can?
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jan 1, 2024 16:23:21 GMT -5
Oh, and by the way, 5 loss Wisconsin is currently outplaying #13 LSU But the one who leads at the end of the game wins. LSU 35 to 31 over Wisconsin. LSU gets their 10th win of the season. Two in a row for Kelly and the Tigers.
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Post by Smog on Jan 1, 2024 21:39:03 GMT -5
Or was your point that Liberty could give Wisconsin a better game than LSU can? ...or it could have been my point that Oregon would have given LSU a better game than Wisconsin? We saw the kind of game Liberty gave.
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Post by CFF on Jan 1, 2024 22:47:39 GMT -5
Or was your point that Liberty could give Wisconsin a better game than LSU can? ...or it could have been my point that Oregon would have given LSU a better game than Wisconsin? We saw the kind of game Liberty gave. I know our opinions are flawless, but shouldn't a team have to win their way on the field?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2024 23:36:48 GMT -5
Or was your point that Liberty could give Wisconsin a better game than LSU can? ...or it could have been my point that Oregon would have given LSU a better game than Wisconsin? We saw the kind of game Liberty gave. I knew your point, and was teasing when Wisconsin was up 14-0. Humor and all that.
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Post by ghost on Jan 2, 2024 3:59:28 GMT -5
It happens,... time ins are dumb .... I mean unranked TTU beat #4 Cal in a bowl in 2004... 6-6 TTU paired with 9-3 and ranked LSU and was murdered... lots of years it’s a lop sided matchup on paper....
But it’s only going to get worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2024 5:11:02 GMT -5
Sure, but the tie ins for the Outback bowl (or whatever the hell it is called now) have been B1G vs. SEC for nearly 30 years. Not sure how this can be pinned on the "NEW" College Football.
As for the Liberty-Oregon game, sure allowing a G5 guaranteed access is a newer thing, but sorry we couldn't continue to screw the little guys. Sometimes that game is great, as Trojan fans should know, sometimes it isn't. Of course, that goes for all the bowls, so why pick on this blowout?
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 2, 2024 8:13:28 GMT -5
Sure, but the tie ins for the Outback bowl (or whatever the hell it is called now) have been B1G vs. SEC for nearly 30 years. Not sure how this can be pinned on the "NEW" College Football. As for the Liberty-Oregon game, sure allowing a G5 guaranteed access is a newer thing, but sorry we couldn't continue to screw the little guys. Sometimes that game is great, as Trojan fans should know, sometimes it isn't. Of course, that goes for all the bowls, so why pick on this blowout? I agree. I think the problem this year was that Liberty should never have been the highest ranked Group of 5 team. They played no one. SMU played Oklahoma and played in a much better conference and beat Tulane decisively. I know they lost at Boston College, but like some other teams, they did not want to be there. SMU would have been a better matchup. The AAC commish was furious when Liberty moved ahead of SMU in the final rankings.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 9:25:27 GMT -5
Sure, but the tie ins for the Outback bowl (or whatever the hell it is called now) have been B1G vs. SEC for nearly 30 years. Not sure how this can be pinned on the "NEW" College Football. As for the Liberty-Oregon game, sure allowing a G5 guaranteed access is a newer thing, but sorry we couldn't continue to screw the little guys. Sometimes that game is great, as Trojan fans should know, sometimes it isn't. Of course, that goes for all the bowls, so why pick on this blowout? I agree. I think the problem this year was that Liberty should never have been the highest ranked Group of 5 team. They played no one. SMU played Oklahoma and played in a much better conference and beat Tulane decisively. I know they lost at Boston College, but like some other teams, they did not want to be there. SMU would have been a better matchup. The AAC commish was furious when Liberty moved ahead of SMU in the final rankings. Being undefeated on the field of play should outweigh our opinion. We are pretty knowledgeable football fans here and our pics, even for the leader are hovering around 60%. An undefeated team deserves the opportunity to be slaughtered, regardless of schedule.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 2, 2024 9:49:47 GMT -5
I agree. I think the problem this year was that Liberty should never have been the highest ranked Group of 5 team. They played no one. SMU played Oklahoma and played in a much better conference and beat Tulane decisively. I know they lost at Boston College, but like some other teams, they did not want to be there. SMU would have been a better matchup. The AAC commish was furious when Liberty moved ahead of SMU in the final rankings. Being undefeated on the field of play should outweigh our opinion. We are pretty knowledgeable football fans here and our pics, even for the leader are hovering around 60%. An undefeated team deserves the opportunity to be slaughtered, regardless of schedule. Not when there is only one slot available and a blind person could tell you that SMU or Tulane were light years better than Liberty. We cannot go around all football season and talk about strength of schedules and then wave it off when it comes to a selection like this. There are 50 teams that would have been unbeaten with that schedule.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 10:09:52 GMT -5
Being undefeated on the field of play should outweigh our opinion. We are pretty knowledgeable football fans here and our pics, even for the leader are hovering around 60%. An undefeated team deserves the opportunity to be slaughtered, regardless of schedule. Not when there is only one slot available and a blind person could tell you that SMU or Tulane were light years better than Liberty. We cannot go around all football season and talk about strength of schedules and then wave it off when it comes to a selection like this. There are 50 teams that would have been unbeaten with that schedule. I see you still haven't missed a pick in the regular season and bowel season. Good job!
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jan 2, 2024 10:14:26 GMT -5
Not when there is only one slot available and a blind person could tell you that SMU or Tulane were light years better than Liberty. We cannot go around all football season and talk about strength of schedules and then wave it off when it comes to a selection like this. There are 50 teams that would have been unbeaten with that schedule. I see you still haven't missed a pick in the regular season and bowel season. Good job! Against the Spread.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 10:20:55 GMT -5
I see you still haven't missed a pick in the regular season and bowel season. Good job! Against the Spread. Fully confident in every pick.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 2, 2024 11:01:30 GMT -5
Not when there is only one slot available and a blind person could tell you that SMU or Tulane were light years better than Liberty. We cannot go around all football season and talk about strength of schedules and then wave it off when it comes to a selection like this. There are 50 teams that would have been unbeaten with that schedule. I see you still haven't missed a pick in the regular season and bowel season. Good job! What does this have to do with the best or most deserving team? How many strength of schedule threads did we have this year? We all have opinions on it. What is not in dispute is that SMU played a much more difficult schedule than Liberty. Hell, I didn't pick a lot of games right but fail to see what that has to do with anything.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 14:05:02 GMT -5
I see you still haven't missed a pick in the regular season and bowel season. Good job! What does this have to do with the best or most deserving team? How many strength of schedule threads did we have this year? We all have opinions on it. What is not in dispute is that SMU played a much more difficult schedule than Liberty. Hell, I didn't pick a lot of games right but fail to see what that has to do with anything. You can't beat a team that you don't play. SOS=bullshit. Picking games right, you or anyone else, is an example of how a few people in a room is trumping the results on the field. You always say that the regular season should be meaningful. We had 2 teams that were perfect in the regular season this year that didn't even get a chance at a sham of a playoff. As long as opinion is the standard, it is shit.
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Post by athens on Jan 2, 2024 14:09:55 GMT -5
I understand hindsight is 20/20, but what part of Liberty's annihilation at the hands of Oregon screams "I deserve a shot at the championship". From what I can see, they did not have a ton of opt-outs from players who played meaningful minutes during the season.
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Post by Smog on Jan 2, 2024 14:41:35 GMT -5
I agree. I think the problem this year was that Liberty should never have been the highest ranked Group of 5 team. They played no one. SMU played Oklahoma and played in a much better conference and beat Tulane decisively. I know they lost at Boston College, but like some other teams, they did not want to be there. SMU would have been a better matchup. The AAC commish was furious when Liberty moved ahead of SMU in the final rankings. Being undefeated on the field of play should outweigh our opinion. We are pretty knowledgeable football fans here and our pics, even for the leader are hovering around 60%. An undefeated team deserves the opportunity to be slaughtered, regardless of schedule. In the absence of matched schedules, opinions matter. A win against a school for blind girls and a win against the University of Alabama are not the same, but both result in a "w". Observation (sometimes aka opinion) recognizes the difference.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 2, 2024 16:18:04 GMT -5
What does this have to do with the best or most deserving team? How many strength of schedule threads did we have this year? We all have opinions on it. What is not in dispute is that SMU played a much more difficult schedule than Liberty. Hell, I didn't pick a lot of games right but fail to see what that has to do with anything. You can't beat a team that you don't play. SOS=bullshit. Picking games right, you or anyone else, is an example of how a few people in a room is trumping the results on the field. You always say that the regular season should be meaningful. We had 2 teams that were perfect in the regular season this year that didn't even get a chance at a sham of a playoff. As long as opinion is the standard, it is shit. How many times this year did you bring up Georgia's SOS? A ton. Again, how many teams with anything remotely resembling that schedule go undefeated? Look this is not because nobody could be scheduled. Look at their schedules the previous 3 years. They played at least 2 Power 5 teams each of those years. They won about half of them. So there was no excuse for their schedule this year. When the AAC Commish, who has done more to get Group of 5 or non Power 5 a break in this whole thing rips the committee for selecting Liberty over SMU, then I will let him speak for it. If Oregon had wanted to, they could have made the Georgia-FSU game look like a thriller.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 17:24:06 GMT -5
Being undefeated on the field of play should outweigh our opinion. We are pretty knowledgeable football fans here and our pics, even for the leader are hovering around 60%. An undefeated team deserves the opportunity to be slaughtered, regardless of schedule. In the absence of matched schedules, opinions matter. A win against a school for blind girls and a win against the University of Alabama are not the same, but both result in a "w". Observation (sometimes aka opinion) recognizes the difference. You can't beat a team that isn't on your schedule. There is no such thing as equal schedules, some are better some are worse. I still trust the result on the field more than an opinion.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 17:29:19 GMT -5
You can't beat a team that you don't play. SOS=bullshit. Picking games right, you or anyone else, is an example of how a few people in a room is trumping the results on the field. You always say that the regular season should be meaningful. We had 2 teams that were perfect in the regular season this year that didn't even get a chance at a sham of a playoff. As long as opinion is the standard, it is shit. How many times this year did you bring up Georgia's SOS? A ton. Again, how many teams with anything remotely resembling that schedule go undefeated? Look this is not because nobody could be scheduled. Look at their schedules the previous 3 years. They played at least 2 Power 5 teams each of those years. They won about half of them. So there was no excuse for their schedule this year. When the AAC Commish, who has done more to get Group of 5 or non Power 5 a break in this whole thing rips the committee for selecting Liberty over SMU, then I will let him speak for it. If Oregon had wanted to, they could have made the Georgia-FSU game look like a thriller. Georgia's schedule was brought up because we have a flawed system in place. As far as P5, that has been overplayed. For most of the last decade playing Georgia Tech was the equivalent of playing a high level FCS team. As for the blowout, this was mentioned earlier in the thread, why does a different criteria apply to UT/Iowa, UGA/TCU, or any other blowout in the past? They happen, it is a part of the game. Going undefeated earns a team the opportunity to play and get blown out...or not.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jan 2, 2024 17:51:34 GMT -5
Ok.
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Post by Smog on Jan 2, 2024 18:16:16 GMT -5
In the absence of matched schedules, opinions matter. A win against a school for blind girls and a win against the University of Alabama are not the same, but both result in a "w". Observation (sometimes aka opinion) recognizes the difference. You can't beat a team that isn't on your schedule. There is no such thing as equal schedules, some are better some are worse. I still trust the result on the field more than an opinion. Exactly, there will never be matched schedules. That's why analysis of the games that actually WERE played has to prevent absurdity from becoming reality. Look at Liberty's schedule this year. At least half of the teams in the BCS division could go through that cake walk undefeated, so their record means nothing. Just as you're saying they can't beat a team that isn't on their schedule, that goes both ways. You can't lose to a team that isn't on your schedule either and the rest of the teams vying for the spot Liberty took don't get to go loss-less against cupcakes they didn't play. IMO, Liberty doesn't even belong in the same division as the top half of the division and they're not alone in that status. They need to cut the top CFB division back to the top 60 or so and shitcan the portal that is allowing coaches and players to jointly jump-ship to other programs in these package deals like Riley/Williams, Penix/DeBoer just to name some examples. CFB was a hell of a lot better when it wasn't so openly mercenary.
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Post by CFF on Jan 2, 2024 21:12:17 GMT -5
You can't beat a team that isn't on your schedule. There is no such thing as equal schedules, some are better some are worse. I still trust the result on the field more than an opinion. Exactly, there will never be matched schedules. That's why analysis of the games that actually WERE played has to prevent absurdity from becoming reality. Look at Liberty's schedule this year. At least half of the teams in the BCS division could go through that cake walk undefeated, so their record means nothing. Just as you're saying they can't beat a team that isn't on their schedule, that goes both ways. You can't lose to a team that isn't on your schedule either and the rest of the teams vying for the spot Liberty took don't get to go loss-less against cupcakes they didn't play. IMO, Liberty doesn't even belong in the same division as the top half of the division and they're not alone in that status. They need to cut the top CFB division back to the top 60 or so and shitcan the portal that is allowing coaches and players to jointly jump-ship to other programs in these package deals like Riley/Williams, Penix/DeBoer just to name some examples. CFB was a hell of a lot better when it wasn't so openly mercenary. They don't need to cut down to 60. Population is continuing to grow and college attendance is at an all time high. Why should we rob the opportunity of embracing traditions from half of the colleges and even more students? Some of the teams that are suggested to be cut have more history and tradition than teams that will get to stay. Many have a more competitive history in multiple sports as well. Every team in the FBS deserves the opportunity to win a championship based upon their performance on the field. You can't do more than win all of your games. Forget about the shirt on your back, win your conference, play in a playoff, and let the chips fall where they may. Eventually, some of the teams will get better with opportunity. Some, however, will Vanderbilt and continually suck. The NCAA should make more rigid standards for new teams entering FBS to ensure that they are capable of being competitive, but every team should have the opportunity to compete. We are talking about the NCAA though.
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