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Post by bigdawgs on Apr 26, 2024 10:08:48 GMT -5
Seriously? In his new role as ESPN's Gameday Expert, Saban said that Alabama tried very hard to get Quinyon Mitchell to get into the portal and come to Tuscaloosa. I know folks will say everyone does it, and they probably do. But regardless of the chaos around the transfer portal and NIL, this still remains very clearly illegal.
Saban also questioned Amarius Mimms manhood by basically saying that he pulled himself out of the Alabama-Georgia game last year. He might be right on that. With Mimms in the game, the Georgia offensive line dominated Bama's defense on that first drive. After that, with him out of the game, Georgia had great difficulty running the ball. Coupled with Bowers and McConkey both playing on bad ankles, Georgia was not the same team. Everyone deals with injuries, but Saban calling out Mimms makes me wonder as well.
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Post by tonythegator on Apr 26, 2024 10:34:20 GMT -5
At this point, with NIL and all that bullshit, does this really even matter?
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Post by ghost on Apr 26, 2024 10:38:21 GMT -5
players need to sig contracts. through NIL would be the easy way. Once they accept NIL, there should be an avenue that binds them to that nil contract. If there were contracts, it would stop coaches from tampering, epically if that contract were legally enforceable and the tamperer would be also fincaiallly exposed... personally...
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Post by bigdawgs on Apr 26, 2024 10:40:32 GMT -5
At this point, with NIL and all that bullshit, does this really even matter? Probably not, but if they are going to try and at least give it some structure, you have to start somewhere. There is a lot of blur in what is going on, but one of the few things that remains clear is that it is illegal to tamper. It is almost impossible to prove because most kids are not going to admit the team they are going to tampered. But if you admit you did something illegal, seems to me that you have admitted to breaking one of the few rules left. Nothing will happen, but maybe it will add some pressure to getting it fixed. Sadly, I think Saban himself is one of the few folks who can actually make change happen.
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Post by ghost on Apr 26, 2024 13:25:00 GMT -5
As i posted above, i think the NIL Is the way through some contract stability.
there is no players union... there is no employee status for players.... so now that the NCAA has caved to the will of the players and allowing unlimited transfers and unlimited NIL pay for play..... the tool/insturment to stably IS the NIL which is a individually accepted contract between player and company.....
many schools like TTU have a collective now paying a salary to players per year base on Nil.... but players need to start signing for this nil money.... it would be VERy simple to put in these contracts that you are paid for your nil with ThAT school.... so if you leave you break the contract.... and reprecussiion like any broken contract apply.
the NCAA is powerless, but the laws of business might be able to wrangle in these players and provide stability to the system.
if a player takes no nil then they can do what they want... but who does that now?
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Post by MtnTiger on Apr 26, 2024 14:27:59 GMT -5
As i posted above, i think the NIL Is the way through some contract stability. there is no players union... there is no employee status for players.... so now that the NCAA has caved to the will of the players and allowing unlimited transfers and unlimited NIL pay for play..... the tool/insturment to stably IS the NIL which is a individually accepted contract between player and company..... many schools like TTU have a collective now paying a salary to players per year base on Nil.... but players need to start signing for this nil money.... it would be VERy simple to put in these contracts that you are paid for your nil with ThAT school.... so if you leave you break the contract.... and reprecussiion like any broken contract apply. the NCAA is powerless, but the laws of business might be able to wrangle in these players and provide stability to the system. if a player takes no nil then they can do what they want... but who does that now? NIL collectives are not allowed to be a part of the athletic department. They must be independent entities. So how is the NCAA, conferences or individual schools going to enforce a contract with an NIL collective?
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Post by tonythegator on Apr 26, 2024 18:54:38 GMT -5
At this point, with NIL and all that bullshit, does this really even matter? Probably not, but if they are going to try and at least give it some structure, you have to start somewhere. There is a lot of blur in what is going on, but one of the few things that remains clear is that it is illegal to tamper. It is almost impossible to prove because most kids are not going to admit the team they are going to tampered. But if you admit you did something illegal, seems to me that you have admitted to breaking one of the few rules left. Nothing will happen, but maybe it will add some pressure to getting it fixed. Sadly, I think Saban himself is one of the few folks who can actually make change happen. There is no blur to me. I see it clearly. It is very clear that money is the only important thing, and anyone that tries to come up with some other explanation is just full of shit. They are ruining amateur athletics. At this point, I am losing interest and really only care about following the Gators, instead of following the game as a whole. In fact, I haven't had ESPN for 2 months now, and I'm surprised at how much I don't miss it.
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Post by ghost on Apr 27, 2024 10:20:34 GMT -5
As i posted above, i think the NIL Is the way through some contract stability. there is no players union... there is no employee status for players.... so now that the NCAA has caved to the will of the players and allowing unlimited transfers and unlimited NIL pay for play..... the tool/insturment to stably IS the NIL which is a individually accepted contract between player and company..... many schools like TTU have a collective now paying a salary to players per year base on Nil.... but players need to start signing for this nil money.... it would be VERy simple to put in these contracts that you are paid for your nil with ThAT school.... so if you leave you break the contract.... and reprecussiion like any broken contract apply. the NCAA is powerless, but the laws of business might be able to wrangle in these players and provide stability to the system. if a player takes no nil then they can do what they want... but who does that now? NIL collectives are not allowed to be a part of the athletic department. They must be independent entities. So how is the NCAA, conferences or individual schools going to enforce a contract with an NIL collective? thats the point.... it would NOT be the NCAA enforcing at all... it would be contract law. collectives and nil donors make contracts for players and stipulate clearly that the money is for them to play at X school.... OR.... be an "image for X school" as to the legal wording etc.... if a kid transfers they forfeit all the money OR are forced to pay back the money since the contract is void. its all contract law and contacts Can be written in many ways. the ncaa really would not be accountable for anything since they had all their teeth removed by the Scotus already any way. in contract law there is tampering and non-competes all the time. a collective gives $35,000 to a player they simply make them sign a non-compete for he use of there image. Agents have similar tampering contracts with their clients etc. the NCAA needs to embrace and use these avenues to provide stability to the portal and transfers. If a player does not want to sign a non-compete then they don't get paid... the school, not the NCAA, could require it similar since they are being issued uniforms and housing/etc to represent them.... this would be like "you are 1099 employees'... which might turn into later having a CBA and or employee status to do the same thing.
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Post by ghost on Apr 27, 2024 10:24:48 GMT -5
now the 1099 status i mentioned above does have problems after thinking about it.... in TX at least, you are required to use your own equipment and man power as a 1099 contractor.... so that might be a bad example.
when we deliver a piano to TTU they are very strict on we can't even ask for a screwdriver or help. we must provide everything including proof of insurance to be on campus.... so it would be impossible for a player to be viewed as a 1099 contractor to play in a game were the school provides everything.... so they would fall back into employees in the eyes of the state of texas. so 10099 reference might have been the wrong way to suggest.... although theses advertisers might use it i guess for taxes and a player.. ?
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Apr 27, 2024 13:08:38 GMT -5
Don't get the IRS involved or college football is surely screwed.
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Post by MtnTiger on Apr 27, 2024 13:49:04 GMT -5
Don't get the IRS involved or college football is surely screwed. What makes you think that the IRS isn’t already involved??? Non profits including the NCAA and university athletic departments are required to file with the IRS.
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Post by ghost on Apr 27, 2024 14:32:36 GMT -5
Don't get the IRS involved or college football is surely screwed. ALL NIL is taxed. there was a thing in the RRS.com site that talked about the collective nil given to athletes is taxed as income. I am just not sure how its filed since it can't be a 1099.... and they are not w2.... but its shown as other income i am guessing. The government loves nil... since before the schools got the donations as tax write offs... now the money is going to he kids..... and i don't think they are writing it off as donations.... since they are technically buying the rights for advertising. the IRS would love the employee set up wince it would require withholding every month by the school nd then w2 status..... i am sure the schools are figigin back on that too.
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