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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 1, 2009 23:45:40 GMT -5
It probably does mean the series. Scoring3 runs off Rivera in the 9th inning=real tough. Coming back from a 3-1 deficit, even tougher. I do like the Phils chances with Lee on the mound for game 5, but they are in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 23:45:50 GMT -5
Im out fellas. I really need to go to bed. It was a fun game, I really thought the Phills would win this one. I predicted the Yanks to win the series, but I thought the Phills would win this game.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 1, 2009 23:47:53 GMT -5
Hmm, so much for that can't get down by 2 BTB. Uh...yeah. Lidge needs to locate his fastball lower in the zone to make his slider look more like a slider (hitters will assume it is a low strike fastball if he could throw it more often...). When you throw one pitch high (fastball) and the other low) it is fairly easy to determine the pitch that is being thrown (at least to big league hitters it is). Rivera is a machine. Breaks a few bats and puts the Yanks up 3-1 after a 7-4 win.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 1, 2009 23:49:32 GMT -5
I would have loved the Phils chances if they could have pulled this one off tonight. If they could have tied it at 2 and then had Lee go the next game they could have returned to NY with a chance to win it with Pedro and then the 'all hands on deck' approach in game 7. Now...it seems like they win game 5 and push it back to NY (a lot of pressure on the Yanks in game 6 and 7 if necessary).
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 1, 2009 23:50:14 GMT -5
The Yanks are a tough match for Lidge (or any pitcher for that matter). They are so patient, take a lot of pitches, and foul off a bunch. Then they look for keys like BTB pointed out and jump on them. Lidge had 2 quick outs, then boom.
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 1, 2009 23:51:02 GMT -5
I'm out as well, catch y'all later.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 0:28:14 GMT -5
The Yanks are a tough match for Lidge (or any pitcher for that matter). They are so patient, take a lot of pitches, and foul off a bunch. Then they look for keys like BTB pointed out and jump on them. Lidge had 2 quick outs, then boom. The Yankees work the count very well. The Yankees have some really good hitters, but the hitters BA goes up as they see more pitches (especially from guys featuring just two pitches). I thought for a while Lidge was tipping his pitches, but right now it is more about bad location and his inability to keep the fastball down in the zone. That was an outstanding AB by Damon. The Yanks look to win their 27th W.S. Title (the Carindals have the second most with 10). Yogi Berra had 10 of his own if memory serves. Just great history for the Yankees (incomparable really).
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 10:01:42 GMT -5
Blanton didn't pitch that poorly, and the fact that the Phils had a good chance to win that game that CC started had Philly fans hopeful. But Lidge really struggled at the end (not only does he need better control of the elevation of his fastball, but to have two different sliders....one that is 'toned' down a little). If he doesn't want to do that to the slider every once in a while he needs a third pitch. I would recommend a cutter or a good changeup (as Hamels about his).
Blanton pitched the other night and it was on 14 days of rest. The last time he pitched was game 4 of the NLCS (meaning 4 games between 1 in the NLCS and 3 in the WS). 4 games in the 14 days? Oh boy...
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 10:04:42 GMT -5
I heard Manuel talk about who should cover third on the steal by Damon (with the shift on).
He said, 'The pitcher or the catcher'. The catcher? Really? He is expected to throw the ball down to second to attempt to catch the baserunner stealing, then run 90 feet to third and be ready to tag him out? Lidge should have been over there (it is about half the distance from the mound to third that it is from the plate to third).
So why doesn't Manuel just say the pitcher should have been there?
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 2, 2009 11:00:37 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing BTB. Does Manuel really think the catcher can throw down to second, then out run Damon to 3rd base in all his gear. Lidge was the guy that needed to get to 3rd.
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Post by tophb21 on Nov 2, 2009 18:53:24 GMT -5
That was the Lidge that I was expecting for the past 2 seasons. It sucked that they clawed back and it had to be in that moment.
I think Lee can get a win tonight, but I don't see the Phils winning 2 in NY, but then again the Yanks have choked away bigger leads in the playoffs recently, so I can only hope.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 20:47:00 GMT -5
I guess I will post it again...
Chase Utley= monster!
Phils take a 3-1 lead and Lee is on the mound. Phils fans still have a bit of hope...
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 2, 2009 20:48:29 GMT -5
Utley is a monster. Good start for the Phils.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 20:54:01 GMT -5
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 2, 2009 21:09:05 GMT -5
4-1 Phils. Its still early, but looks like this one may be heading back to NYC.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 21:15:20 GMT -5
Time to question Girardi...
He wanted to go with the three man rotation because he really only had 3 reliable starters. It has worked out for CC. He is a horse that doesn't have trouble doing that at this time of year.
But it looks to have adversely effected Burnett (struggled big time tonight). What does Pettite look like in a possible game 6? (He is not a horse like CC, and his best starts have been his first of series after some rest).
So is the advantage of CC going 3 times enough to hurt the other guys on their second starts of the series?
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 2, 2009 23:27:44 GMT -5
Phillies hang on. Now back to NY. Phillies need two rain cancellations to get Lee another shot.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 23:28:37 GMT -5
Boy this game has gotten way too close for comfort for Philly fans...
The double play that Mr. November hit into was a huge play in the game, and in the end left A-Rod on the on deck circle.
A nice job by Lee, and Madson got it done in the end.
An 8-6 win sends it back to the Bronx for game 6... where another Yankee starter not named CC will go on short rest...
My earlier mentions of how a longer series could bite the Yanks in the butt with that short rotation (outside of CC who seems unphased doing so) might turn out to be a huge key.
The Yankees bullpen was responsibile for 7 innings tonight...and am not sure how much they will be ready to go in game 6 (How much can Pettite give them?).
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 2, 2009 23:30:40 GMT -5
Phillies hang on. Now back to NY. Phillies need two rain cancellations to get Lee another shot. You mean like the Old Red Sox rotation? Louis Tiant and pray for rain? Don't you feel like the Yanks feel the same way with CC. Burnett got roughed the hell up tonight (a product of the third series in a row on short rest starts?). Oh and I am not letting that go because it is a major deal, and when making that decision Girardi needed to consider all the starters and not just CC. He could have gone with CC on short rest and inserted Gaudin so that Burnett could have gone on regular rest... (this is not a second guess, this has been a 'first guess' of mine for sometime now).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2009 0:14:43 GMT -5
Lee played flawless. Very impressed with his pitching, stayed through the whole entire game. Impressive. The Yankees offense lacked, and they didn't show life until the end of the 9th inning. Take away that double play and they may of had a chance.
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Post by tophb21 on Nov 3, 2009 8:24:45 GMT -5
Lee played flawless. Very impressed with his pitching, stayed through the whole entire game. Impressive. The Yankees offense lacked, and they didn't show life until the end of the 9th inning. Take away that double play and they may of had a chance. Lee was far from flawless last night, but pitched well enough early on for them to build a big lead. Take one game at a time, but I like the Phils chances with Pedro on full rest against Pettite and then anything can happen in game 7. FTR, I'm not entirely sold that CC going on short rest has totally paid off. He still doesn't have a win and didn't pitch lights out in Game 5. They got that win, to me that was more of a melt down that I was eventually expecting from Lidge than CC's pitching on 3 days. Anything can happen. Just need Howard to actually make contact. It's been tough watching him flail away. Maybe they will pitch around Utley and Werth and give Howard something decent to see.
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 3, 2009 8:31:19 GMT -5
Just as the playoffs are different with all the off days the rotation was treated completely different. The guys are not used to going on three days rest, and I think we saw the side effects of it last night. The Phils deserve credit for crushing the baseball, but pitchers are creatures of habit, and he was not nearly as sharp as he was the first game (Burnett).
Burnett didn't pitch well his second time, and it is yet to be seen from Pettite. But I would go as far as saying it hurt the Yanks. Why not pitch Gaudin last night? If you lose you have Burnett on full rest then Pettite on full rest for game 7 (or CC on short rest if you prefer). But it does give them some options.
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 3, 2009 10:35:49 GMT -5
Good job by the Phils to hang on and force a game 6. It will be interesting to see the Yanks pitchers on short rest. Girardi will look like he knows what he's doing if the Yanks win, or be called out like crazy if it blows up.
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Post by scapegoat on Nov 4, 2009 6:31:38 GMT -5
Pettit vs Pedro. Who wins?
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Post by scapegoat on Nov 4, 2009 6:32:05 GMT -5
Two old dogs
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 4, 2009 11:06:13 GMT -5
I will say that Pettite gets the job done and finishes it off tonight. I really don't care who wins, and wouldn't mind seeing a game 7 though.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 4, 2009 19:36:56 GMT -5
Ok guys....who's going to win tonight?
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Post by BTB07 on Nov 4, 2009 19:38:21 GMT -5
Ok guys....who's going to win tonight? My head says Yankees, and my heart says Phillies... I am not sure if Pedro's smoke and mirrors will work twice, and he just doesn't have the stuff to get some of those Yankees hitters out right now (Damon has been on base all series).
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Post by pittnd1 on Nov 4, 2009 19:40:14 GMT -5
Damon's at bats have been something to watch. He's patient enough to take plenty of pitches until he has 2 strikes, then fouls off every good borderline pitch until he sees one he likes.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 4, 2009 19:42:15 GMT -5
I understand they are calling for a monsoon tomorrow. If this goes to a game 7 and tomorrow night's game is delayed, I guess Charlie won't have to go with Cole Hammels.
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