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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 10:05:26 GMT -5
The cops are responding to a call that someone made. I doubt they have the security cams in their vehicles while on patrol. This is totally silly. They did their job. When the city advised them to adjust, they did so. Yes, the police officer identified himself to the guy. Then the guy specifically placed his name on his video, thus portraying him as some guy who is threatening his First Amendment rights. This whole thing is bullshit and I think you know it. Go find someone else who agrees with you since that appears what you are looking for. I wasn't talking about security cams in cars. I was talking about the cameras at City Hall.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 10:06:58 GMT -5
Also, why is it on this thread and not on the politics one? That is what this is all about. It's not about politics.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 3, 2024 10:15:50 GMT -5
Also, why is it on this thread and not on the politics one? That is what this is all about. It's not about politics. Bullshit.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 10:18:23 GMT -5
What's political? Do our rights depend on politics?
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 3, 2024 10:20:06 GMT -5
The cops are responding to a call that someone made. I doubt they have the security cams in their vehicles while on patrol. This is totally silly. They did their job. When the city advised them to adjust, they did so. Yes, the police officer identified himself to the guy. Then the guy specifically placed his name on his video, thus portraying him as some guy who is threatening his First Amendment rights. This whole thing is bullshit and I think you know it. Go find someone else who agrees with you since that appears what you are looking for. I wasn't talking about security cams in cars. I was talking about the cameras at City Hall. The cops are apparently on patrol. They get a call to go to the courthouse about this case. When exactly are they supposed to look at the surveillance video? The dispatcher made the call. We have zero idea who called the dispatcher with the issue. She told them to check it out. They did. They discussed the issue with the gentleman. No one was prevented from exercising their first amendment rights. Again, how are the two cops supposed to view the video before addressing the issue? This entire thing is concocted to make the police look like the bad guys. It is par for the course in 2024 America.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 10:25:51 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about security cams in cars. I was talking about the cameras at City Hall. The cops are apparently on patrol. They get a call to go to the courthouse about this case. When exactly are they supposed to look at the surveillance video? The dispatcher made the call. We have zero idea who called the dispatcher with the issue. She told them to check it out. They did. They discussed the issue with the gentleman. No one was prevented from exercising their first amendment rights. Again, how are the two cops supposed to view the video before addressing the issue? This entire thing is concocted to make the police look like the bad guys. It is par for the course in 2024 America. So, you think the police look like bad guys. What is political about that? Bottom line is that the guy was on public property and was exercising his constitutional rights. He was not committing any crime, yet the cops threatened him with trespassing. What is political about it? And yes, I agree with you that the cops made themselves look bad.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 3, 2024 10:29:22 GMT -5
The cops are apparently on patrol. They get a call to go to the courthouse about this case. When exactly are they supposed to look at the surveillance video? The dispatcher made the call. We have zero idea who called the dispatcher with the issue. She told them to check it out. They did. They discussed the issue with the gentleman. No one was prevented from exercising their first amendment rights. Again, how are the two cops supposed to view the video before addressing the issue? This entire thing is concocted to make the police look like the bad guys. It is par for the course in 2024 America. So, you think the police look like bad guys. What is political about that? Bottom line is that the guy was on public property and was exercising his constitutional rights. He was not committing any crime, yet the cops threatened him with trespassing. What is political about it? And yes, I agree with you that the cops made themselves look bad. I said that the video was concocted to make them look bad. Did not say it succeeded. Well, in expressing my 1st Amendment Rights, the cops looked fine in both videos. The clown is the one who looks like a clown. And of course this is political.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 10:33:20 GMT -5
So, you think the police look like bad guys. What is political about that? Bottom line is that the guy was on public property and was exercising his constitutional rights. He was not committing any crime, yet the cops threatened him with trespassing. What is political about it? And yes, I agree with you that the cops made themselves look bad. I said that the video was concocted to make them look bad. Did not say it succeeded. Well, in expressing my 1st Amendment Rights, the cops looked fine in both videos. The clown is the one who looks like a clown. And of course this is political. So, allow me to ask you this. What did the guy that you describe as a clown do that was against the law?
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:34:55 GMT -5
How would you recommend, from a legal standpoint, that we help police to locate criminals with a warrant then? Should they have to catch them in the act of another crime? Not being a smart-ass, just wanting your perspective. I guess cops should just stop everyone on the street and see if they can find a crime. Right? They do at roadblocks. Where is your outrage there. They check for insurance, registration, license, and sobriety.
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:40:57 GMT -5
This guy won't give his name, which is perfectly right. Yet he has no problem putting the officer's name on the front of his video. He is calling out Officer Sparks specifically by doing so. What was the purpose of that line on the video other than to attack that specific police officer? Police officers are servants of the public. Most Police departments have a policy to identify themselves when asked by a member of that public. After all, the public pays their salaries. Police officers are also citizens that have lives outside of work. So on the salary part, should the officers be taking orders from the citizens directly or within the structure of the police department according to the laws and policies in place. Just paying the salary, in my opinion, is a slippery slope. What if they told them to shoot their visiting uncle, who isn't a citizen of that state/city/jurisdiction. The uncle would have no say using the "pays their salary" train of thought. Bye uncle.
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:43:16 GMT -5
This guy won't give his name, which is perfectly right. Yet he has no problem putting the officer's name on the front of his video. He is calling out Officer Sparks specifically by doing so. What was the purpose of that line on the video other than to attack that specific police officer? Police officers are servants of the public. Most Police departments have a policy to identify themselves when asked by a member of that public. After all, the public pays their salaries. I need one of those servants of the public to fill the holes in my yard that an armadillo violated.
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:48:09 GMT -5
I said that the video was concocted to make them look bad. Did not say it succeeded. Well, in expressing my 1st Amendment Rights, the cops looked fine in both videos. The clown is the one who looks like a clown. And of course this is political. So, allow me to ask you this. What did the guy that you describe as a clown do that was against the law? Alabama has a law against harassment (https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-11-8/). What this guy does is textbook harassment.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 11:48:37 GMT -5
I guess cops should just stop everyone on the street and see if they can find a crime. Right? They do at roadblocks. Where is your outrage there. They check for insurance, registration, license, and sobriety. Outrage? What outrage?
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:54:06 GMT -5
They do at roadblocks. Where is your outrage there. They check for insurance, registration, license, and sobriety. Outrage? What outrage? I don't have to watch the video to give you my answer. Police are humans that are capable of the very same flaws as any other citizen. We are a world of imperfect people, therefore there are checks and balances in place that are meant to ensure that no person is above the law. I am not sure that currently applies to certain groups of people, not limited to Biden Crime Family, the Clinton Crime Foundation, the Trumps, or any other political group. That check and balance has been removed from shoplifters, illegal immigrants, certain drug dealers and the list goes on.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 11:56:22 GMT -5
So, allow me to ask you this. What did the guy that you describe as a clown do that was against the law? Alabama has a law against harassment (https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-11-8/). What this guy does is textbook harassment. How in holy hell can you find this to be harassment? The only harassment I see is by the cops themselves. It would be just fine if they just find out what is going on without all the threats of trespass and asking for ID. If there is no crime, that police officer has no dominion over the citizen.
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 11:57:55 GMT -5
Alabama has a law against harassment (https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-11-8/). What this guy does is textbook harassment. How in holy hell can you find this to be harassment? The only harassment I see is by the cops themselves. It would be just fine if they just find out what is going on without all the threats of trespass and asking for ID. If there is no crime, that police officer has no dominion over the citizen. Read the link.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 12:01:30 GMT -5
How in holy hell can you find this to be harassment? The only harassment I see is by the cops themselves. It would be just fine if they just find out what is going on without all the threats of trespass and asking for ID. If there is no crime, that police officer has no dominion over the citizen. Read the link. Set the link up and I will read it.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 12:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by bilogle on Feb 3, 2024 13:13:32 GMT -5
Alabama has a law against harassment (https://codes.findlaw.com/al/title-13a-criminal-code/al-code-sect-13a-11-8/). What this guy does is textbook harassment. How in holy hell can you find this to be harassment? The only harassment I see is by the cops themselves. It would be just fine if they just find out what is going on without all the threats of trespass and asking for ID. If there is no crime, that police officer has no dominion over the citizen. have to agree with Tony...
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Post by CFF on Feb 3, 2024 13:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 13:22:39 GMT -5
Okay. I see nothing that applies here. What is your interpretation? I hope you realize that a police officer can't be a complainant.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 13:34:02 GMT -5
Let me make something clear here. I am not calling for the defunding of police, nor am I trying to criticize the policing community as a whole. As a taxpayer that pays their salaries, I just expect them to act in a professional manner and follow all applicable laws and department policies. Is that too much to ask? If they don't know the law, I expect them to find out the law before threatening citizens with penalties. Is that too much to ask? Or should we all just bend over to anything they have to say? Sorry, but as I said before, a police officer has no dominion over you unless you have broken a law. If he thinks he does, he is just operating on ego and needs to be put in his place by the citizenry.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Feb 3, 2024 14:03:25 GMT -5
Let me make something clear here. I am not calling for the defunding of police, nor am I trying to criticize the policing community as a whole. As a taxpayer that pays their salaries, I just expect them to act in a professional manner and follow all applicable laws and department policies. Is that too much to ask? If they don't know the law, I expect them to find out the law before threatening citizens with penalties. Is that too much to ask? Or should we all just bend over to anything they have to say? Sorry, but as I said before, a police officer has no dominion over you unless you have broken a law. If he thinks he does, he is just operating on ego and needs to be put in his place by the citizenry. In the first video, I thought the police were polite in talking the the homeless vet. Why can't police ask for an ID? Shitzzz, there is where our country has ended up. When ever I have been stopped for some traffic violation, I am polite toward the police and answer any question they have for me. Showing them an ID doesn't brother me at all. What bothers me though is a policeman making an arrest, then turned loose a short time later. And in lot of places - the police have to put up with a lot of nonsense and as a result - law enforcement has suffered a lot. And that will come back to bite us in the arse, IMO. In the video, IMO, the homeless vet was trying to trap the police. The homeless vet had an agenda - just wasn't walking down the street - he had a purpose - to somehow trap the police. Who in the heck walks around filming what they are doing. No, he had some purpose and again IMO, trying to bait the police.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 14:14:40 GMT -5
Let me make something clear here. I am not calling for the defunding of police, nor am I trying to criticize the policing community as a whole. As a taxpayer that pays their salaries, I just expect them to act in a professional manner and follow all applicable laws and department policies. Is that too much to ask? If they don't know the law, I expect them to find out the law before threatening citizens with penalties. Is that too much to ask? Or should we all just bend over to anything they have to say? Sorry, but as I said before, a police officer has no dominion over you unless you have broken a law. If he thinks he does, he is just operating on ego and needs to be put in his place by the citizenry. In the first video, I thought the police were polite in talking the the homeless vet. Why can't police ask for an ID? Shitzzz, there is where our country has ended up. When ever I have been stopped for some traffic violation, I am polite toward the police and answer any question they have for me. Showing them an ID doesn't brother me at all. What bothers me though is a policeman making an arrest, then turned loose a short time later. And in lot of places - the police have to put up with a lot of nonsense and as a result - law enforcement has suffered a lot. And that will come back to bite us in the arse, IMO. In the video, IMO, the homeless vet was trying to trap the police. The homeless vet had an agenda - just wasn't walking down the street - he had a purpose - to somehow trap the police. Who in the heck walks around filming what they are doing. No, he had some purpose and again IMO, trying to bait the police. His purpose is to stand up for our rights. What happens when you don't exercise your muscles? You lose them. What happens when you don't exercise your brain? It is no different with our rights. If people don't exercise those rights, we will lose them. We have already almost lost those rights, and the behavior of these cops is a perfect example of why we have almost lost those rights. Bad police officers could care less about your rights. They just want to make arrests and boost their egos. The veteran in the video has been arrested numerous times. In every arrest, his charges were thrown out. He has won a couple of lawsuits against bad cops and has a couple more pending. And just between you and me, (don't tell anybody else) he has never told those cops how to act. Amazing, huh?
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 14:26:19 GMT -5
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 3, 2024 14:48:25 GMT -5
It doesn't get better than this one. Watch how fast this cop changes his attitude.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Feb 3, 2024 15:32:08 GMT -5
In the first video, I thought the police were polite in talking the the homeless vet. Why can't police ask for an ID? Shitzzz, there is where our country has ended up. When ever I have been stopped for some traffic violation, I am polite toward the police and answer any question they have for me. Showing them an ID doesn't brother me at all. What bothers me though is a policeman making an arrest, then turned loose a short time later. And in lot of places - the police have to put up with a lot of nonsense and as a result - law enforcement has suffered a lot. And that will come back to bite us in the arse, IMO. In the video, IMO, the homeless vet was trying to trap the police. The homeless vet had an agenda - just wasn't walking down the street - he had a purpose - to somehow trap the police. Who in the heck walks around filming what they are doing. No, he had some purpose and again IMO, trying to bait the police. His purpose is to stand up for our rights. What happens when you don't exercise your muscles? You lose them. What happens when you don't exercise your brain? It is no different with our rights. If people don't exercise those rights, we will lose them. We have already almost lost those rights, and the behavior of these cops is a perfect example of why we have almost lost those rights. Bad police officers could care less about your rights. They just want to make arrests and boost their egos. The veteran in the video has been arrested numerous times. In every arrest, his charges were thrown out. He has won a couple of lawsuits against bad cops and has a couple more pending. And just between you and me, (don't tell anybody else) he has never told those cops how to act. Amazing, huh? My response - our country has changed greatly in my years on earth. Over the years - police effectiveness has been greatly reduced. Most of the major cities have gone for the action of defund the police. And most of those cities are having great internal problems. Sure there have been bad police, but the majority of times - the police are correct. In today's world if a police person is involved in some sort of disturbance - the media pronounces them guilty before looking at all the facts. Then in the public's eyes - the police are guilty. And the police can do no good. I see the film footage of people just walking into stores and cleaning the shelves. No one seems to give a rat's behind about any thing that is happening. IMO, this vet's video is trying to bring more shame on the police. What happens when our current society runs off all the police and we have no police presence in our cites. I would say disaster, but I am just an old guy who remembers the way it use to be. One could walk down the sidewalks of major cities and not be afraid. You are usually on the right track Tony, but IMO you are off track on this one. Have a great day. PS - Do you think people are safer today than years ago? I can remember running in Central Park in NYC back in the 70's, don't think as many people run there anymore. I ran in a lot of the major cities back in those days on business trips. If I was able to run still - I don't think I would do it in most of those cities. Yep the police are bad.
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Post by theswan on Feb 3, 2024 22:16:19 GMT -5
Quite a ways away from Nazi Germany. Where are the concentration camps? Jews, and any other nationality for that matter are still roaming free. There is still free speech. So what if I have to show ID. It's called the Fourth Amendment. You do know and respect the Constitution. Right? Asking for ID isn't a violation of the 4th amendment
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 4, 2024 6:06:30 GMT -5
It's called the Fourth Amendment. You do know and respect the Constitution. Right? Asking for ID isn't a violation of the 4th amendment
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Post by theswan on Feb 4, 2024 11:05:14 GMT -5
Asking for ID isn't a violation of the 4th amendment ASKING for an I.D. is not a violation of the 4th amendment. A violation of the 4th amendment is when your car, home, or business is searched without a warrant or probable cause.
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