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Post by tonythegator on Feb 2, 2024 11:35:56 GMT -5
Football season is done, so in order to spice things up a little bit here, I am posting this. Feel free to express your opinions on this video.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 11:58:05 GMT -5
The guy is ridiculous. What is worse, it sheds a bad light on truly homeless people/vets by being a punk.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 2, 2024 14:40:40 GMT -5
The guy is ridiculous. What is worse, it sheds a bad light on truly homeless people/vets by being a punk. Seriously? Why do you think that? Your response surprises me.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 14:51:55 GMT -5
I think the Tuscaloosa PD needs a lesson in civil rights and the law.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Feb 2, 2024 15:02:28 GMT -5
Someone must have complained to police that he was in effect panhandling. Why did the suppose homeless vet not show his ID.
Heck in NY city - illegals beat up on the police and then turned loose without having to post bail. (cashless bail). What a world we live in.
Looney Tunes live.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:15:51 GMT -5
The guy is ridiculous. What is worse, it sheds a bad light on truly homeless people/vets by being a punk. Seriously? Why do you think that? Your response surprises me. Why does it surprise you?
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:16:52 GMT -5
I think the Tuscaloosa PD needs a lesson in civil rights and the law. Actually, I think they showed remarkable restraint.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:23:23 GMT -5
I think the Tuscaloosa PD needs a lesson in civil rights and the law. Actually, I think they showed remarkable restraint. Why do you think that? The guy filming did nothing wrong and broke no laws. The two Sargents didn’t have any reason to engage with the guy filming.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Feb 2, 2024 15:27:59 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Homeless vet was looking for a confrontation with the police. He wanted them to arrest him. Then he could have made a huge scene, IMO.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:29:11 GMT -5
Actually, if members of the public complained that they were being harassed, they had a responsibility to question them. The guy was being a clown intentionally trying to create an incident.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:32:07 GMT -5
Do we know he was a homeless person? Do we know he was a Vet? You know how many fraudulent Vet impersonators there are out there? I see this shit every Monday at the Atlanta airport.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:39:18 GMT -5
It seems to me that the Homeless vet was looking for a confrontation with the police. He wanted them to arrest him. Then he could have made a huge scene, IMO. He was testing them to be sure; that’s why he was recording. Police don’t know or care about people’s rights. They think they know everything and they are in charge, but as thousands of videos on YouTube show, they don’t know. To serve and protect my ass. Search first amendment audit on YouTube.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:41:15 GMT -5
Actually, if members of the public complained that they were being harassed, they had a responsibility to question them. The guy was being a clown intentionally trying to create an incident. They have a responsibility to investigate, but a real investigation would mean observing the subject without contacting him and seeing what he did when other members of the public came by. That takes effort. Easier to just go confront him and violate his rights.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:42:48 GMT -5
Do we know he was a homeless person? Do we know he was a Vet? You know how many fraudulent Vet impersonators there are out there? I see this shit every Monday at the Atlanta airport. I’m pretty sure he isn’t homeless and no idea on veteran status. He never claims to be either in the video. The sign is just a phrase. People read more into it than is actually there.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:44:22 GMT -5
Actually, if members of the public complained that they were being harassed, they had a responsibility to question them. The guy was being a clown intentionally trying to create an incident. They have a responsibility to investigate, but a real investigation would mean observing the subject without contacting him and seeing what he did when other members of the public came by. That takes effort. Easier to just go confront him and violate his rights. How do you know he didn't?
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:47:18 GMT -5
Do we know he was a homeless person? Do we know he was a Vet? You know how many fraudulent Vet impersonators there are out there? I see this shit every Monday at the Atlanta airport. I’m pretty sure he isn’t homeless and no idea on veteran status. He never claims to be either in the video. The sign is just a phrase. People read more into it than is actually there. If a person holds up a sign stating that he is homeless and a Vet and is begging people for money then I should hope that he is being forthright. The guy was trying to provoke.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:54:10 GMT -5
They have a responsibility to investigate, but a real investigation would mean observing the subject without contacting him and seeing what he did when other members of the public came by. That takes effort. Easier to just go confront him and violate his rights. How do you know he didn't? I don’t, but if they did observe him and he didn’t do anything wrong, which I know he didn’t because this isn’t the first time he’s done something like this, they had no probable cause to make contact with him.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:55:58 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure he isn’t homeless and no idea on veteran status. He never claims to be either in the video. The sign is just a phrase. People read more into it than is actually there. If a person holds up a sign stating that he is homeless and a Vet and is begging people for money then I should hope that he is being forthright. The guy was trying to provoke. All his sign says is “god bless the homeless vets”. No claim of being a vet or homeless and not asking for anything from anyone except god.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:57:51 GMT -5
If multiple people complained, i think they absolutely had every right. And that was hardly confrontational. They were polite and asked reasonable questions.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:58:30 GMT -5
TPD guys handled this situation better than most cops do, but they were still wrong in even making contact with him.
Check out YouTube for much more egregious incidents b
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 15:58:48 GMT -5
If a person holds up a sign stating that he is homeless and a Vet and is begging people for money then I should hope that he is being forthright. The guy was trying to provoke. All his sign says is “god bless the homeless vets”. No claim of being a vet or homeless and not asking for anything from anyone except god. Come on...lets be serious.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 15:59:32 GMT -5
If multiple people complained, i think they absolutely had every right. And that was hardly confrontational. They were polite and asked reasonable questions. Anybody can talk to anybody. They were fine until they asked him for ID.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 16:00:32 GMT -5
All his sign says is “god bless the homeless vets”. No claim of being a vet or homeless and not asking for anything from anyone except god. Come on...lets be serious. I am serious, because if they arrested him that is exactly the point his attorney would be making in court.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 16:09:25 GMT -5
Come on...lets be serious. I am serious, because if they arrested him that is exactly the point his attorney would be making in court. They didn't arrest him. He is allegedly begging for money using false reasons. Asking for ID is very reasonable. I see this all the time...scamming people under bogus pretenses and taking advantage of people.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 16:11:30 GMT -5
This guy is no different than the poor uncle in Zaire that needs grandma to send her life savings.
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Post by MtnTiger on Feb 2, 2024 17:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 2, 2024 17:33:09 GMT -5
I am serious, because if they arrested him that is exactly the point his attorney would be making in court. They didn't arrest him. He is allegedly begging for money using false reasons. Asking for ID is very reasonable. I see this all the time...scamming people under bogus pretenses and taking advantage of people. Wow. I thought you spent your life in the military to protect the American way of life and the Constitution. I am very surprised at your reaction to this.
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Post by bigdawgs on Feb 2, 2024 17:52:36 GMT -5
Well, I am surprised that you are surprised. Is the American way of life now to support scamming victims??? The guy is a bum. The cops were more than gentlemen. They were more polite than I would have been.
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Post by tonythegator on Feb 2, 2024 18:00:52 GMT -5
Well, I am surprised that you are surprised. Is the American way of life now to support scamming victims??? The guy is a bum. The cops were more than gentlemen. They were more polite than I would have been. What did he do that was wrong?
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Post by CFF on Feb 2, 2024 18:01:43 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, I looked up whether panhandling was illegal in Alabama. It turns out that it is no longer illegal. Click on the link for that article. As for what the police should have done, the question of what does the law say should be asked. As above my first question would have been about panhandling, to which it isn't. He was on public property and not breaking any laws that were mentioned, so asking for ID would not be warranted in the state of Alabama. Alabama recognizes "Stop and Identify" as do 22 other states, therefore unless a crime was suspected of being committed, and the other criteria not met, the police do not have the authority to ask for name and ID. Opinion 1- "Stop and Identify" laws keep police from doing their jobs. Opinion 2- A few more crimes would be solved and illegal immigration slowed if they did not exist. Opinion 3- With these laws in place, I am wondering how police can do a insurance or DUI/DWI roadblock without previously suspecting the driver. I don't drink, but question the legality of these actions. License and insurance please... For those that love to turn everything around, I am not in favor of changing that, just questioning the legality.
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