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Post by tonythegator on Nov 29, 2015 18:15:59 GMT -5
Ummmmmmmmmmm, can Dawg fans say "Lane Kiffin"? That is the latest rumor I'm hearing.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 18:24:09 GMT -5
Sorry Tranny. He was fired. Period. Don't believe that nonsense.
I have said all along I was not against change if it was done with class. Everything...I REPEAT EVERYTHING...about this has been classless. It started one year ago with that horses ass Greg McGarity. We are the only fucking school in the SEC without an IDPF. He has been asking for one for years....YEARS.
And now we have a deal with a piece of shit who used UGA to leverage for a pay raise a few years ago. So we just fired a coach to hire an assistant who coached defense under a guy who knows a bit about defense. We have ZERO clue what he would be like as a head coach. ZERO. That is one less than one. And there is rumor that he wants to bring Will fucking Muschamp to Athens as well. I would not be surprised if he wanted Ray Goff to coach his offense.
Again, if we had someone like Jimbo Fisher in line or maybe Chip Kelley I could live with it had it been done with class. But the UGA athletic director isn't capable of doing that.
We will see if this is what happens. I am very curious. But right now, that university won't get another penny from me.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 18:25:48 GMT -5
Ummmmmmmmmmm, can Dawg fans say "Lane Kiffin"? That is the latest rumor I'm hearing. Actually, I probably would prefer Lane to Kirby.
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 29, 2015 18:36:10 GMT -5
Best meme I've seen about this whole mess...
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 29, 2015 18:41:37 GMT -5
Sorry Tranny. He was fired. Period. Don't believe that nonsense. I have said all along I was not against change if it was done with class. Everything...I REPEAT EVERYTHING...about this has been classless. It started one year ago with that horses ass Greg McGarity. We are the only fucking school in the SEC without an IDPF. He has been asking for one for years....YEARS. And now we have a deal with a piece of shit who used UGA to leverage for a pay raise a few years ago. So we just fired a coach to hire an assistant who coached defense under a guy who knows a bit about defense. We have ZERO clue what he would be like as a head coach. ZERO. That is one less than one. And there is rumor that he wants to bring Will fucking Muschamp to Athens as well. I would not be surprised if he wanted Ray Goff to coach his offense. Again, if we had someone like Jimbo Fisher in line or maybe Chip Kelley I could live with it had it been done with class. But the UGA athletic director isn't capable of doing that. We will see if this is what happens. I am very curious. But right now, that university won't get another penny from me. Yeah but if he was fired and it went badly why would he coach the Dawgs through the Bowl Game and be allowed to be at the huge recruiting/end of year banquet "The Gala"on December 11th? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 18:46:38 GMT -5
Sorry Tranny. He was fired. Period. Don't believe that nonsense. I have said all along I was not against change if it was done with class. Everything...I REPEAT EVERYTHING...about this has been classless. It started one year ago with that horses ass Greg McGarity. We are the only fucking school in the SEC without an IDPF. He has been asking for one for years....YEARS. And now we have a deal with a piece of shit who used UGA to leverage for a pay raise a few years ago. So we just fired a coach to hire an assistant who coached defense under a guy who knows a bit about defense. We have ZERO clue what he would be like as a head coach. ZERO. That is one less than one. And there is rumor that he wants to bring Will fucking Muschamp to Athens as well. I would not be surprised if he wanted Ray Goff to coach his offense. Again, if we had someone like Jimbo Fisher in line or maybe Chip Kelley I could live with it had it been done with class. But the UGA athletic director isn't capable of doing that. We will see if this is what happens. I am very curious. But right now, that university won't get another penny from me. Yeah but if he was fired and it went badly why would he coach the Dawgs through the Bowl Game and be allowed to be at the huge recruiting/end of year banquet "The Gala"on December 11th? That doesn't make sense to me. I know it is hard to believe these days, but there are still people with class. Richt is coaching because he couldn't comprehend turning that down if offered. But I understand why it is difficult to comprehend.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 18:48:18 GMT -5
Whoever the new coach is going to be, if he fails to keep Eason, that will be strike one.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 18:53:29 GMT -5
Brandon Adams
UGA made a decision to part ways with longtime head coach Mark Richt on Sunday. Given the recent shortcomings of the program, this isn’t totally surprising. However, what is surprising is that UGA would replace Richt and his long track record of mostly successful seasons with current Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart, as has been suggested.
This seems illogical.
The credential for Smart that is most often cited is that he played at UGA. Why would that possibly matter? There have been 11 different head coaches to win the SEC championship game and only three of them played college football at the school they led to an SEC title. It hasn’t seemed to hurt Nick Saban that he didn’t play at Alabama, nor did it hinder Urban Meyer that he didn’t play at Florida. Likewise, Kirby Smart’s coaching abilities wouldn’t be enhanced simply because he was coming to work for his alma mater.
Furthermore, if UGA does hire Smart it would be taking a tremendous risk on a guy with no previous head coaching experience. That hasn’t worked much in the SEC. Once again, of the 11 head coaches to win the SEC championship game only three of them had no previous head coaching experience before taking a job in the league. Of course, one of those coaches was Richt, who won his first SEC title in 2002.
So it’s fair to ask, why couldn’t UGA find success with another coach in his first job? The best answer to that is that the UGA program has grown tremendously since Richt took the job in 2001, mostly because of Richt by the way. Back then, someone else’s coordinator was the best UGA could hope to hire. That is no longer true. A coach like Richt that won nine or more games in a season with regularity should only be replaced by a coach whom it can be reasonably assumed will do better . Smart doesn’t offer that assurance.
Also, if UGA hires Smart as its next head coach, it is ignoring one of the most significant trends in college football at the moment. Smart is a defensive coordinator, and lately, defensive coaches haven’t made the transition to head coach a successful one as often as offensive coaches have.
Of the eight most recently hired coaches in the SEC, five had offensive backgrounds and three had defensive backgrounds. The five offensive-minded head coaches have combined to go 169-98. That’s a winning percentage of .632. However, the defensive minded head coaches have only gone 36-61. That’s just a .371 winning percentage. The reason for the disparity in results is obvious. College football has recently evolved to be more about innovative offenses. The teams with the best offenses are doing most of the winning lately. Therefore, offensive minds have simply become more valuable than defensive minds.
The likely retort to all of these points is that Kirby Smart is different than other coaches with no previous experience and those with defensive backgrounds because he has been working with and presumably learning from Nick Saban. That may be true, but that was also once true for Will Muschamp, who worked with Saban at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins. And it goes without saying that Muschamp’s time with Saban didn’t prevent him from being an unmitigated disaster as head coach at Florida.
Of course, there is a chance that Smart would be a better head coach than Muschamp turned out to be, and maybe Smart would be better than most defensive-minded assistants with no previous experience. He is, after all, a serious coaching candidate for a reason.
However, it needs to be said that for a program moving on from Richt because it thinks it can do better, UGA can do better than Smart as well.
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 29, 2015 19:05:00 GMT -5
I'd like to see UGA talk to Chad Morris at SMU. I think he'll be a great HC someday.
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Post by dawgsfan59 on Nov 29, 2015 19:09:30 GMT -5
WOW! I did not think they would do this, really thought they were going to give him another year. I believe it is time for a change though, better be a damn good hire, or everyone will be calling for McGarity's head next year. I agree with BD this was done backdoor and shady, they should have let him come out and say he is resigning for whatever reason he chose and go that way.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 19:12:13 GMT -5
I'd like to see UGA talk to Chad Morris at SMU. I think he'll be a great HC someday. If they hire him, someday better be in the Georgia Dome against UNC next year. He better win game one...no fucking ifs, butts about it.
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Post by athens on Nov 29, 2015 19:18:15 GMT -5
Richt's first year he had the same overall and conference records as Donnan the year before.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Nov 29, 2015 19:24:38 GMT -5
It's a very slippery slope to give in to boosters holding the program hostage. Don't want a Bobby Lowder situation at UGA.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 19:31:00 GMT -5
Richt's first year he had the same overall and conference records as Donnan the year before. EXCEPT...DONNAN LOST TO FLORIDA, AUBURN and TECH. But that is not the point. We aren't starting from where Virginia is folks. We are starting with at least 9 wins. We just fired a guy because we can do better. That is fine. We need to be BETTER...not the same. BETTER.
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Post by athens on Nov 29, 2015 19:48:31 GMT -5
And Richt lost to all of those except Tech. The point is that you can't expect the next guy to come in and win a national championship the next year. The point of the move is the long term, not next year.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 19:51:30 GMT -5
And Richt lost to all of those except Tech. The point is that you can't expect the next guy to come in and win a national championship the next year. The point of the move is the long term, not next year. Who said anything about a National Championship. I expect him to win a MINIMUM of 9 games and I expect he will beat a ranked team. He also better not lose to Auburn or Tech. That is the standard. If he can't do that as a MINIMUM with all the returners we have on both sides of the ball, he is not going to cut it. I expect him to as a minimum make it to Atlanta. Nothing less is expected. Look...we are 9-4 or 10-3. Supposedly we suck. So as a minimum the new guy better match that. I don't want to see one iota of slippage.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:03:11 GMT -5
BurritoBrosShits @burritobrosshit #Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino has expressed interest in the #UGA vacancy, source tells @foxsports 6:42 PM - 29 Nov 2015
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Post by athens on Nov 29, 2015 20:06:31 GMT -5
Fine, to demand that a first year coach better win the division is still a bit ridiculous. Again, did Richt? Yes we should expect better long term results than what we have seen the last 6-7 years. But to demand it happen in the first year is not fair.
I understand you don't like GM, not that fond of him myself. But don't automatically throw whoever the next coach is under the bus and start revving the engine because of your dislike for him.
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Post by athens on Nov 29, 2015 20:07:25 GMT -5
BurritoBrosShits @burritobrosshit #Louisville head coach Bobby Petrino has expressed interest in the #UGA vacancy, source tells @foxsports 6:42 PM - 29 Nov 2015 That's rich...
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Post by Bradimous1 on Nov 29, 2015 20:07:01 GMT -5
And Richt lost to all of those except Tech. The point is that you can't expect the next guy to come in and win a national championship the next year. The point of the move is the long term, not next year. Who said anything about a National Championship. I expect him to win a MINIMUM of 9 games and I expect he will beat a ranked team. He also better not lose to Auburn or Tech. That is the standard. If he can't do that as a MINIMUM with all the returners we have on both sides of the ball, he is not going to cut it. I expect him to as a minimum make it to Atlanta. Nothing less is expected. Look...we are 9-4 or 10-3. Supposedly we suck. So as a minimum the new guy better match that. I don't want to see one iota of slippage. Question for you, let's say the new coach runs a different scheme on O and D and the first year, you go 6-6. Second year, you go 8-4, and the 3rd year you go 10-2, followed by an MNC... You taking that?
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:10:29 GMT -5
Who said anything about a National Championship. I expect him to win a MINIMUM of 9 games and I expect he will beat a ranked team. He also better not lose to Auburn or Tech. That is the standard. If he can't do that as a MINIMUM with all the returners we have on both sides of the ball, he is not going to cut it. I expect him to as a minimum make it to Atlanta. Nothing less is expected. Look...we are 9-4 or 10-3. Supposedly we suck. So as a minimum the new guy better match that. I don't want to see one iota of slippage. Question for you, let's say the new coach runs a different scheme on O and D and the first year, you go 6-6. Second year, you go 8-4, and the 3rd year you go 10-2, followed by an MNC... You taking that? The bastard better be gone by year 2. I don't want to hear any shit about 6-6. If fucking 10-3 ain't good enough with that many returning starters I don't even want to think about 6-6. Totally unacceptable.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:13:41 GMT -5
Fine, to demand that a first year coach better win the division is still a bit ridiculous. Again, did Richt? Yes we should expect better long term results than what we have seen the last 6-7 years. But to demand it happen in the first year is not fair. I understand you don't like GM, not that fond of him myself. But don't automatically throw whoever the next coach is under the bus and start revving the engine because of your dislike for him. Athens, why is it unfair to expect a new guy who inherits all this talent from an underachiever to improve by one game and win a very weak division? Why is that unfair? I am not asking to turn around UCF. I am asking for this new superman to improve over an underachiever with a lot of very talented players. Should be a snap.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Nov 29, 2015 20:14:30 GMT -5
Question for you, let's say the new coach runs a different scheme on O and D and the first year, you go 6-6. Second year, you go 8-4, and the 3rd year you go 10-2, followed by an MNC... You taking that? The bastard better be gone by year 2. I don't want to hear any shit about 6-6. If fucking 10-3 ain't good enough with that many returning starters I don't even want to think about 6-6. Totally unacceptable. this is just an analogy, so don't take it as anything more. When a youngster goes to basic training, they break them down so that they can build a bigger, better youngster... Couldn't the same for a program happen?
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Post by zacharyjarm on Nov 29, 2015 20:18:07 GMT -5
Fine, to demand that a first year coach better win the division is still a bit ridiculous. Again, did Richt? Yes we should expect better long term results than what we have seen the last 6-7 years. But to demand it happen in the first year is not fair. I understand you don't like GM, not that fond of him myself. But don't automatically throw whoever the next coach is under the bus and start revving the engine because of your dislike for him. Athens, why is it unfair to expect a new guy who inherits all this talent from an underachiever to improve by one game and win a very weak division? Why is that unfair? I am not asking to turn around UCF. I am asking for this new superman to improve over an underachiever with a lot of very talented players. Should be a snap. Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama with a lost to La Monroe. Big picture is more important than quick results.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:19:19 GMT -5
The bastard better be gone by year 2. I don't want to hear any shit about 6-6. If fucking 10-3 ain't good enough with that many returning starters I don't even want to think about 6-6. Totally unacceptable. this is just an analogy, so don't take it as anything more. When a youngster goes to basic training, they break them down so that they can build a bigger, better youngster... Couldn't the same for a program happen? Not really. They take a kid and break them down so that they can build a bigger, better man/woman. If this were Texas or Virginia or Syracuse or Rutgers or Kansas or Illinois I would absolutely agree. It is not. There is a lot of talent and there is no doubt that we have not gotten enough out of it and for that Mark Richt was responsible. He was relieved of his duties. The great majority of that talent is still here. If the new guy does his job our recruiting class should still be pretty damn good. Now why should I or any other Georgia fan expect to take a step back? As a bare minimum we should be as good as we have been under an underachieving coach that has talent galore.
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Post by CFF on Nov 29, 2015 20:20:29 GMT -5
Athens, why is it unfair to expect a new guy who inherits all this talent from an underachiever to improve by one game and win a very weak division? Why is that unfair? I am not asking to turn around UCF. I am asking for this new superman to improve over an underachiever with a lot of very talented players. Should be a snap. Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama with a lost to La Monroe. Big picture is more important than quick results. Brick by Brick?
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:21:40 GMT -5
Athens, why is it unfair to expect a new guy who inherits all this talent from an underachiever to improve by one game and win a very weak division? Why is that unfair? I am not asking to turn around UCF. I am asking for this new superman to improve over an underachiever with a lot of very talented players. Should be a snap. Saban went 6-6 his first year at Bama with a lost to La Monroe. Big picture is more important than quick results. Not even remotely the same. Where did Bama recruiting classes stand under his predecessors. And Bama had been on probation. Nothing remotely similar to the situation in Athens. And let me add, that if we were to get someone that even approached Saban's level...do you think 6-6 would be close to acceptable...especially in the East? No you wouldn't.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Nov 29, 2015 20:28:52 GMT -5
I can't agree with you on this one BD, but
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 29, 2015 20:29:24 GMT -5
Good.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 29, 2015 20:32:37 GMT -5
Break 'em down, BD. Now, build them back up.
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