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Post by bigdawgs on Oct 31, 2023 14:06:55 GMT -5
Is this Conor Stalions as a member of the Central Michigan University staff as the Chips played Michigan State early this year? If this is him, I am starting to wonder about the academic standards of our Naval Academy.
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Post by ghost on Oct 31, 2023 15:28:17 GMT -5
Is this Conor Stalions as a member of the Central Michigan University staff as the Chips played Michigan State early this year? If this is him, I am starting to wonder about the academic standards of our Naval Academy. so would this link CMU to the scandal? or is this guy just a professionally trained spy getting on sidelines as staff? crazy?
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Post by bigdawgs on Oct 31, 2023 16:23:21 GMT -5
Well, Michigan State issues the sideline passes to the visiting team for the "coaches" who are allowed between the 20s. It would seem to indicate that someone on the CMU staff got him the pass, if it is indeed him.
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Post by ghost on Oct 31, 2023 16:55:16 GMT -5
Well, Michigan State issues the sideline passes to the visiting team for the "coaches" who are allowed between the 20s. It would seem to indicate that someone on the CMU staff got him the pass, if it is indeed him. been saying it since it broke..... this is bigger than Michigan...... if its him.... the can of worms is about be opened..... might even be pandoras box of colaberative sign stealing.....
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Post by NCBulldawg on Oct 31, 2023 21:35:01 GMT -5
AI...? ? ?
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 1, 2023 6:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 1, 2023 6:34:23 GMT -5
Is it possible that this picture at CMU is photoshopped?
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Post by dawgggystyle on Nov 1, 2023 7:16:21 GMT -5
as Twitterverse is saying, it would be easy for CMU to come out and be like no, thats Coach Jim or whoever, but hasnt.
I also saw another pic of this dude with glasses on that has a camera on the top right corner of the glasses and a small light that comes on when its recording. Could be fake, photoshopped whatever. Also, could be real.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 1, 2023 14:17:34 GMT -5
Does CMU have such a massive staff that it can't immediately identify if that guy is one of their coaches or not? I might be joining Ghost in the conspiracy group since McElwain and a significant portion of his staff are Michigan folks. This should not take days.
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 2, 2023 6:55:12 GMT -5
Sources: Big Ten coaches urge action vs. Michigan in call www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38798293/big-ten-coaches-urge-conference-take-action-michigan-sign-stealing-emotional-callA vast majority of the Big Ten coaches expressed their frustrations with the ongoing signal-stealing investigation at Michigan in a video call with commissioner Tony Petitti on Wednesday, sources told ESPN. The call, which took 90 minutes, included nearly an hour without Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh, who hung up after the regularly scheduled Big Ten business to allow the conference's coaches to speak freely about the NCAA's investigation into Michigan. According to five sources familiar with the call, a chorus of voices encouraged Petitti to take action against Michigan in a call that was described as both intense and emotional. "Collectively, the coaches want the Big Ten to act -- right now," said a source familiar with the call. "What are we waiting on? We know what happened."
The NCAA has been investigating Michigan for nearly two weeks, as the Big Ten confirmed the NCAA's sign-stealing investigation on Oct. 19. Since that time, ESPN has reported that Michigan staffer Connor Stalions emerged as a centerpiece of the investigation and has purchased tickets to the games of 12 of 13 Big Ten opponents over the last three years. Overall, Stalions has purchased tickets to more than 35 games in at least 17 stadiums over the last three years, ESPN reported. Michigan suspended Stalions the same day ESPN reported he was the center of the investigation. A former Division III coach also told ESPN he was paid by Stalions to video games at multiple Big Ten schools. The coaches in the Big Ten laid out to Petitti, who was hired in April, just how distinct of a schematic advantage Michigan has held the last three years by illegally obtaining the opposition's signals ahead of time, as has been alleged. Coaches used words like "tainted," "fraudulent" and "unprecedented" on the call to describe Michigan's signal-stealing scheme, as has been alleged. Much of the call, according to sources, was coaches explaining to Petitti both how it worked and how it impacted them and their programs. Both in-person opponent scouting and using electronic equipment to steal signals are not allowed by NCAA rules. In the three years that Stalions left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of Michigan opponents, the Wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play. "People don't understand the seriousness of it," said another source. "How it truly impacted the game plan. To truly know if it's a run or a pass, people don't understand how much of an advantage that was for Michigan." There was anger interspersed throughout the call, as one source described the sentiment as: "Every game they played is tainted." The coaches acknowledged the reality on the call that the NCAA enforcement timeline won't impact Michigan this season, as the Wolverines are 8-0 and No. 3 in the initial College Football Playoff rankings. And that's one reason the Big Ten coaches called on action from the Big Ten. Sources described Petitti as listening carefully to the coaches, but not tipping his hand in what direction he may go. Sources expressed curiosity as to whether the Big Ten is truly interested in taking action or just listening to coaches so they can be heard. The Big Ten technically has authority under its Sportsmanship Policy to punish Michigan or members of the coaching staff. That's been considered unlikely in this case in the near future, as it's unusual to have an NCAA case unfolding in real time. While plenty of evidence has emerged in media reports, the league would likely be unable to use those as a fact set to make a decision. The league could also initiate its own investigation into potential violations of the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy. While Petitti has authority to dictate discipline, if it's beyond a standard level it must be looked at by an executive committee that could approve, deny or lessen that discipline. League officials did not respond to request for comment late Wednesday. "I don't think the Big Ten understood how upset everyone was," said another source. "The tenor of the call was asking the Big Ten to show leadership -- the conference and the presidents. An unprecedented violation of the rules would require unprecedented action from the Big Ten."
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 2, 2023 7:35:15 GMT -5
I think those coaches point out something others have missed. Yeah, everyone is trying to steal signals in a game or even seeing what they can on film. But it is entirely different when you have an opponent's signals weeks in advance.
The story about TCU seems pretty fascinating. Michigan never gave up more than 27 points during the year, including facing a couple of rather high level offenses. If the TCU coaches are not bullshitting, then it would appear to be pretty obvious that this sign stealing has made a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 7:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 7:56:58 GMT -5
Are we talking about practice?
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 2, 2023 8:32:55 GMT -5
I think those coaches point out something others have missed. Yeah, everyone is trying to steal signals in a game or even seeing what they can on film. But it is entirely different when you have an opponent's signals weeks in advance. The story about TCU seems pretty fascinating. Michigan never gave up more than 27 points during the year, including facing a couple of rather high level offenses. If the TCU coaches are not bullshitting, then it would appear to be pretty obvious that this sign stealing has made a difference. I thought that same thing when I saw this line in the story: In the three years that Stalions left a paper trail of purchasing tickets to games of Michigan opponents, the Wolverines have gone 33-3 overall and 22-1 in Big Ten play. In the prior three years, they were 21-11 overall and 16-8 in league play.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Nov 2, 2023 9:42:39 GMT -5
I forgot the shark humper was at CMU, his press conference did nothing to help anybody.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 2, 2023 12:14:45 GMT -5
How long does it take McElwain to determine that the guy pictured on the sideline is on his staff or not? How long before we can suspect CMU being involved in this scheme since several of their coaches, including McElwain, have strong Michigan ties? It does not take 2 days to determine that the guy on the sidelines is a CMU guy or someone who shouldn't have been there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 12:16:53 GMT -5
How long does it take McElwain to determine that the guy pictured on the sideline is on his staff or not? How long before we can suspect CMU being involved in this scheme since several of their coaches, including McElwain, have strong Michigan ties? It does not take 2 days to determine that the guy on the sidelines is a CMU guy or someone who shouldn't have been there. By the way, is it just me or does he look like Ed Norton in that picture? Maybe they can claim that Ed Norton didn't want the paparazzi to take his pic.
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Post by ghost on Nov 2, 2023 13:56:30 GMT -5
Full Ride said it best yesterday.... "Jim, it doesn't take a day or 2... or your people handling it.... you can handle it in a 25 min meeting with your staff and ask them directly who that person was and how he got a pass".....
unless he knew it was him and he was apart of the sign stealing deal.
This news to e addressed this week/next week.... if they are guilty, then season is over..... i don't want another conference champ or CFBPO with a bunch of "*" in it....
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Post by dawgggystyle on Nov 2, 2023 14:15:19 GMT -5
Full Ride said it best yesterday.... "Jim, it doesn't take a day or 2... or your people handling it.... you can handle it in a 25 min meeting with your staff and ask them directly who that person was and how he got a pass"..... unless he knew it was him and he was apart of the sign stealing deal. This news to e addressed this week/next week.... if they are guilty, then season is over..... i don't want another conference champ or CFBPO with a bunch of "*" in it.... IF anything happens at all, i bet it comes out or punishment if there is any is for next year.
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 3, 2023 11:19:14 GMT -5
Starting to hear rumblings online now that Conner Stalions was involved in paying recruits travel, hotel, meals, etc on Unofficial visits to Michigan out of his own pocket. Rumor is he has a side business that he uses to pay for all of this. That kind of ties in with the pic that surfaced of him at the CMU game.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 3, 2023 11:23:06 GMT -5
F' Michigan!!
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 3, 2023 11:32:05 GMT -5
Full Ride said it best yesterday.... "Jim, it doesn't take a day or 2... or your people handling it.... you can handle it in a 25 min meeting with your staff and ask them directly who that person was and how he got a pass"..... unless he knew it was him and he was apart of the sign stealing deal. This news to e addressed this week/next week.... if they are guilty, then season is over..... i don't want another conference champ or CFBPO with a bunch of "*" in it.... Doesn't matter if Jim knew or not, he's responsible for anything his staff does. Jim is already on record as saying not he or anyone else was involved in this on his staff and I think he's going to die on that hill. I think people need to realize that the NCAA isn't built to work fast. Interviews have to be set up based on schedule availability of lawyers, those involved, the NCAA, the school, etc. If the Championship of the Big 10 or NCAA gets vacated next year it won't be the first or probably the last, let it all play out.
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Post by 75tranzam on Nov 3, 2023 12:39:23 GMT -5
Report: Michigan launches investigation into PIs allegedly connected to family of Ohio State HC Ryan Day www.on3.com/college/michigan-wolverines/news/report-michigan-launches-investigation-into-pis-allegedly-connected-to-family-of-ohio-state-hc-ryan-day/An investigation at Michigan has begun into how information about the alleged Michigan sign stealing operation first came to light and reached the NCAA, according to The Wolverine’s Chris Balas. The investigation reportedly centers on family members of Ohio State head coach Ryan Day. The Washington Post reported recently that an “outside firm” had provided information to the NCAA. According to Balas and The Wolverine, both Day’s brother, Timothy Day, and someone associated with another of his brothers, Christopher Day, are apparently central to the information becoming public. One apparently runs a private investigation firm in Manchester, New Hampshire, where Day is form. Sources at Michigan have alleged to Balas that evidence passed to The Washington Post was obtained illegally from the computer of Connor Stalions, the Michigan staffer central to the investigation.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 3, 2023 12:47:48 GMT -5
Does it matter where it originated when all is said and done? Yes, OSU will have to deal with the association, but if Michigan went to the extent to cheat, which is being proclaimed and alleged, then I don't really care about who got the ball rolling. Just my POV on this.
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Post by MtnTiger on Nov 3, 2023 13:12:35 GMT -5
I wonder if Ryan Day made a call to Fat Phil for advice!!!
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Post by ghost on Nov 3, 2023 14:22:17 GMT -5
Does it matter? i mean, in a criminal case yeah sure there are protocols that must be kept... rules for evidence, etc.... but no in the NCAA.... you get busted, it doesn't;t matter how.
Michigan is throwing a hail mary here trying to damage the credibility in the public eye, but it does not matter.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 3, 2023 20:32:40 GMT -5
Stalions resigns.
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Post by pittnd on Nov 3, 2023 20:50:54 GMT -5
Who knows where the truth lies. Which pics are photoshopped vs real pics? I just saw a pic of this guy on the Michigan sideline in a game vs ND in 2019, before he was an actual staff member. Legit or not, I don’t know. But there’s a lot of smoke for there to be no fire.
And again, I think Harbaugh is a dick no matter what happens in this controversy.
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 3, 2023 21:14:25 GMT -5
The only thing is that there is video on the CMU sideline which would seem to eliminate photo shopping. ESPN said a facial recognition expert says that while not a lock, it is pretty certain that it is Stalions. And how long does it take for CMU Coach Jim McElwain to identify who is on his staff and who isn't? Then again, maybe that was his problem in Gainesville. It is getting hard to buy that CMU is not involved in this whole thing. Agree on Harbaugh.
Is Stalions going to be the fall guy? Or is he going to be the loyal Marine, fall on his sword for his beloved Wolverines? And if that is the case, is anyone with a brain going to believe him?
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Post by bigdawgs on Nov 3, 2023 22:37:15 GMT -5
“As he informed the school earlier today, Connor chose to resign because recent stories regarding his time with the University of Michigan have created a distraction for the team,” Stalion’s attorney, Brad Beckworth of Nix Patterson, said. “He hopes his resignation will help the team and coaching staff focus on tomorrow’s game and the remainder of the season.
“Connor also wants to make it clear that, to his knowledge, neither Coach Harbaugh, nor any other coach or staff member, told anyone to break any rules or were aware of improper conduct regarding the recent allegations of advanced scouting.”
Stalions was investigated by the NCAA after reports arose of the Michigan staff “sign-stealing.” Stalions allegedly bought tickets to four different campus games of four College Football Playoff contenders last year.
Additionally, there are records of SEC title game ticket purchases from 2021 and 2022. Finally, twelve of the other 13 Big Ten schools have record of Stalions buying tickets. Stalions reportedly did not cooperate with any internal or external investigations or discussions.
“I love the University of Michigan and its football program,” Stalions said in a statement provided to The Athletic. “And I am extremely grateful for the opportunity I’ve had to work with the incredible student athletes, Coach Harbaugh and the other coaches that have been a part of the Michigan football family during my tenure. I do not want to be a distraction from what I hope to be a championship run for the team, and I will continue to cheer them on.”
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