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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 1:26:18 GMT -5
At least somebody at sEcSPN gets it: In the olden days, we had a beauty contest. The top team in the nation was decided entirely by the voters. Then we moved to a better system, one determined in part by computers that at least added some math to the abstract rationalizing while also allowing two teams to decide it on the field. Then we moved to a four-team playoff, and the whole point was to eliminate the hypotheticals and let a champion be crowned by the actual results on the field. If you won your games, you had a chance to win a national title. Turns out, all of that was a charade. None of it mattered. The games are pointless. What happens on the field is less important than what a committee thinks might happen in a future matchup. It is an absolute slap in the face to every player who has ever put on a helmet, laced up cleats and marched onto the field to battle for a victory, because a bunch of folks in a conference room in Texas decided their sacrifice was not as important as the Las Vegas line on a potential playoff matchup. It's a joke. Yes, Florida State is without starting QB Jordan Travis, meaning it would have to play with a quarterback who wasn't its opening-week starter in order to win a national title, and of course that couldn't happen. After all, only 2014 Ohio State, 2017 Alabama, 2018 Clemson and 2021 Georgia did that. What are the odds that something that's happened 44% of the time would happen again? And sure, FSU's passing game was a mess in the ACC championship game. No argument there. Funny thing though: FSU won its title game by more than Alabama did. In fact, FSU has won its past two games by more than Alabama has. And since Travis got hurt in Week 12 against North Alabama, the Seminoles have thrown for just 8 fewer yards than Michigan has in that same stretch, but there was no debate about Michigan. Oh, and this is probably irrelevant in the face of such a poor quarterback performance against Louisville, but there's also the small matter that the QB who started that game, Brock Glenn, wouldn't be the QB starting a playoff game (since Tate Rodemaker would be out of concussion protocol by then). The committee cared about one stat when making this decision: FSU's 55 passing yards against Louisville. Here are the stats it ignored: Seven sacks, 14 tackles for loss, 10 passes defended, 189 rushing yards against a stacked box, a 10-point win over a top-15 team with a QB making his first career start. Let's be real about what happened here: The committee members couldn't leave the SEC out of the playoff. They didn't care that Alabama needed a miracle to avoid a loss to 6-6 Auburn two weeks ago. They didn't care that Georgia's own injuries -- playing with a banged-up Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers -- likely played a large part in why the Tide won Saturday. They didn't care that the ACC has a winning record, head-to-head, against the SEC this season. They didn't care that Alabama beat 2023 Georgia, not 2021 or 2022 Georgia. They cared that Alabama and the SEC had to have a spot in the playoff by birthright. And as a result, they sent a message that what happened on the field -- the blood, tears and sacrifice that players made all season to win every game on their schedule -- was less important than getting the most compelling TV matchup. But hey, there'll be a 12-team playoff next year, so all is forgiven, right? www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/39033710/cfp-anger-index-unpacking-outrage-florida-state-snub-2023
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Post by CFF on Dec 4, 2023 7:23:12 GMT -5
Very well stated.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Dec 4, 2023 8:52:37 GMT -5
What the committee is saying is that FSU without their starting QB is not as good as Alabama.
But at the same time FSU without their starting QB is better than Georgia.
They just make shit up as they go along. They couldnt move FSU down 2 spots after winning a conference game so they only moved them down 1.
They had a 90 minute show and never once discussed the #1 team in the nation losing and how far down they dropped probably because they had no logical explanations as to how or why.
It seriously is a joke.
Same reason TCU was third last year, lost their conference championship game and went down to, wait for it, third. All because they didnt want Mich and OSU to play again. Even came out and said "oh its not about that" Yes it is. It most definitely is about that.
No system is perfect, but this system of old white dudes making up things as they go along could use some adjusting.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 4, 2023 8:59:14 GMT -5
What is bullshit is that the committee kept FSU at 4 even after Travis Jordan went down. After winning 2 games without Travis and the season is over, then they suddenly decide that FSU is no longer worthy of the #4 ranking.
Clearly the committee was hedging their bet on different outcomes this Saturday which never happened.
It put them in a box and they do what they want to do. Reward the 8th teams with beating the #6 teams, jumping them 4 spots over 1 loss tOSU and Undefeated and ACC Champ FSU.
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Post by dawgggystyle on Dec 4, 2023 9:06:40 GMT -5
What is bullshit the committee keep FSU at 4 even after Travis Jordan went down. After winning 2 games without Travis and the season is over, then they suddenly decide that FSU is no longer worthy a the #4 ranking. Clearly the committee was hedging their bet on different outcomes this Saturday which never happened. It put them in a box and they do what they want to do. Reward the 8th teams with beating the #6 teams, jumping them 4 spots over 1 loss tOSU and Undefeated and ACC Champ FSU. Good point, if Travis getting hurt was the factor they used against them this week, why didnt they use that factor the last 2 weeks, oh i know, it was because they hadnt lost a game.....
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Post by omuhroads on Dec 4, 2023 9:35:35 GMT -5
I hope the Florida legislature gets involved and gives ESPN and or the Bowls in Florida the Disney treatment.
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Post by athens on Dec 4, 2023 9:42:01 GMT -5
Is this guy still employed?
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 4, 2023 9:43:23 GMT -5
Wonder if the committee would have taken such a stand had UGA won and it came down to Texas and FSU. Based on current rankings it seems they would have.
It’s all really pathetic.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 4, 2023 9:43:40 GMT -5
Is this guy still employed? I read this morning that his accidental suicide has been scheduled for next Thur. am/pm, not yet determined.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 10:10:00 GMT -5
What the committee is saying is that FSU without their starting QB is not as good as Alabama. But at the same time FSU without their starting QB is better than Georgia.They just make shit up as they go along. They couldnt move FSU down 2 spots after winning a conference game so they only moved them down 1. They had a 90 minute show and never once discussed the #1 team in the nation losing and how far down they dropped probably because they had no logical explanations as to how or why. It seriously is a joke. Same reason TCU was third last year, lost their conference championship game and went down to, wait for it, third. All because they didnt want Mich and OSU to play again. Even came out and said "oh its not about that" Yes it is. It most definitely is about that. No system is perfect, but this system of old white dudes making up things as they go along could use some adjusting. Well, isn't that obvious? Of course, FSU is a better team than Georgia. Even your fellow dawg fans on this board think so.
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Post by athens on Dec 4, 2023 10:14:34 GMT -5
What the committee is saying is that FSU without their starting QB is not as good as Alabama. But at the same time FSU without their starting QB is better than Georgia.They just make shit up as they go along. They couldnt move FSU down 2 spots after winning a conference game so they only moved them down 1. They had a 90 minute show and never once discussed the #1 team in the nation losing and how far down they dropped probably because they had no logical explanations as to how or why. It seriously is a joke. Same reason TCU was third last year, lost their conference championship game and went down to, wait for it, third. All because they didnt want Mich and OSU to play again. Even came out and said "oh its not about that" Yes it is. It most definitely is about that. No system is perfect, but this system of old white dudes making up things as they go along could use some adjusting. Well, isn't that obvious? Of course, FSU is a better team than Georgia. Even your fellow dawg fans on this board think so. Well we definitely know 1 team FSU is better than... Eidt: And Georgia, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Oregon, Louisville, Iowa, the list could go on and on...
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 4, 2023 10:33:40 GMT -5
It is bash SEC season and some of it certainly deserved. It is also convenient to forget that we would have a 12 team playoff this year if several other leagues opted to stop it because OU and Texas joined the SEC. Remember that great Holy Alliance that put that expansion on hold. Oh yeah, ACC Commish Jim Phillips sided with the B1G and PAC to stop it. This was going to be a great deal with the conferences working together. They delayed the expanded playoff by at least a year. There is a ton of blame to go around.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 10:41:02 GMT -5
Well, isn't that obvious? Of course, FSU is a better team than Georgia. Even your fellow dawg fans on this board think so. Well we definitely know 1 team FSU is better than... Eidt: And Georgia, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Oregon, Louisville, Iowa, the list could go on and on... So, in your opinion, is the current FSU team better than your Dawgs? Would you pick FSU to beat the Dawgs in your bowl game?
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Post by dawgggystyle on Dec 4, 2023 10:50:27 GMT -5
What the committee is saying is that FSU without their starting QB is not as good as Alabama. But at the same time FSU without their starting QB is better than Georgia.They just make shit up as they go along. They couldnt move FSU down 2 spots after winning a conference game so they only moved them down 1. They had a 90 minute show and never once discussed the #1 team in the nation losing and how far down they dropped probably because they had no logical explanations as to how or why. It seriously is a joke. Same reason TCU was third last year, lost their conference championship game and went down to, wait for it, third. All because they didnt want Mich and OSU to play again. Even came out and said "oh its not about that" Yes it is. It most definitely is about that. No system is perfect, but this system of old white dudes making up things as they go along could use some adjusting. Well, isn't that obvious? Of course, FSU is a better team than Georgia. Even your fellow dawg fans on this board think so. I cant tell if you are being serious or not since you all of the sudden turned into an Alabama fan.
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Post by athens on Dec 4, 2023 11:28:49 GMT -5
Well we definitely know 1 team FSU is better than... Eidt: And Georgia, Michigan, Washington, Texas, Alabama, Oregon, Louisville, Iowa, the list could go on and on... So, in your opinion, is the current FSU team better than your Dawgs? Would you pick FSU to beat the Dawgs in your bowl game? If Georgia wanted to be in the playoff, then Georgia should have won Saturday. Yes they were slowed by numerous injuries, but that's football. FSU won without their star QB (for the 3rd time) and finished the season undefeated. Do I think that a fully healthy Georgia team (which they have not been all year) is better than FSU without Travis? I would say yes. But Georgia is not completely healthy. With the way FSU's defense played Saturday, I would say it is pretty close either way. I guess we'll see who is the healthiest and best on the 30th.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 11:35:39 GMT -5
So, in your opinion, is the current FSU team better than your Dawgs? Would you pick FSU to beat the Dawgs in your bowl game? If Georgia wanted to be in the playoff, then Georgia should have won Saturday. Yes they were slowed by numerous injuries, but that's football. FSU won without their star QB (for the 3rd time) and finished the season undefeated. Do I think that a fully healthy Georgia team (which they have not been all year) is better than FSU without Travis? I would say yes. But Georgia is not completely healthy. With the way FSU's defense played Saturday, I would say it is pretty close either way. I guess we'll see who is the healthiest and best on the 30th. So, if you think Georgia would beat FSU, is it not conceivable that the committee would think Bama would beat FSU, thus making them the better team? After all, Bama beat the Dawgs.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 4, 2023 11:41:46 GMT -5
If Georgia wanted to be in the playoff, then Georgia should have won Saturday. Yes they were slowed by numerous injuries, but that's football. FSU won without their star QB (for the 3rd time) and finished the season undefeated. Do I think that a fully healthy Georgia team (which they have not been all year) is better than FSU without Travis? I would say yes. But Georgia is not completely healthy. With the way FSU's defense played Saturday, I would say it is pretty close either way. I guess we'll see who is the healthiest and best on the 30th. So, if you think Georgia would beat FSU, is it not conceivable that the committee would think Bama would beat FSU, thus making them the better team? After all, Bama beat the Dawgs. I'm assuming this is pure troll. Everyone had Oregon beating Washington by double digits. I guess you and the committee also had Texas going into Bryant Denny and beating Bama by double digits as well. Im sure the committee and the experts has Mich favored by 8 over TCU, then they actually played the game... you know the rest.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 11:43:50 GMT -5
Well, isn't that obvious? Of course, FSU is a better team than Georgia. Even your fellow dawg fans on this board think so. I cant tell if you are being serious or not since you all of the sudden turned into an Alabama fan. You guys just don't "get it". If it was up to "my heart", I would pick FSU. Everyone here should know why. However, "my brain" tells me that Bama is the better team right now. Sure, FSU has a great defense, but an impotent offense at the present time. Did you watch them against Louisville? It was pitiful! So, the way I see it isn't important anyhow. The most entertaining thing to me about this whole scenario is that fans of certain teams who have always sided with the "best teams" argument are now siding with the "most deserving" side because the team that knocked them off their perch is in the playoff instead of them. Hee hee hee!
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 11:45:57 GMT -5
So, if you think Georgia would beat FSU, is it not conceivable that the committee would think Bama would beat FSU, thus making them the better team? After all, Bama beat the Dawgs. I'm assuming this is pure troll. Everyone had Oregon beating Washington by double digits. I guess you and the committee also had Texas going into Bryant Denny and beating Bama by double digits as well. Im sure the committee and the experts has Mich favored by 8 over TCU, then they actually played the game... you know the rest. What is "troll" about it? Everything in the statement is TRUE!
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 4, 2023 12:03:24 GMT -5
What does UGA opinion on weather they think they can beat FSU have to do with anything.
Im sure LSU thought they could be beat Ole Miss, Notre Dame thought they could be tOSU, Auburn thought they could beat New Mexico State, Im sure TN thought for sure they could beat a struggling UF team...yet, UF boat raced the Vols.
You know, actual results from playin the game, not results from what a bunch of ties think will happen if they play.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 12:09:31 GMT -5
What does UGA opinion on weather they think they can beat FSU have to do with anything. Im sure LSU thought they could be beat Ole Miss, Notre Dame thought they could be tOSU, Auburn thought they could beat New Mexico State, Im sure TN thought for sure they could beat a struggling UF team...yet, UF boat raced the Vols. You know, actual results from playin the game, not results from what a bunch of ties think will happen if they play. Ah, yes. Deflection at its best. Why can't you just answer my question first? And in case you haven't noticed, CFB has been all about polls and opinions since the early 1900s. It still is with this playoff committee, and part of this playoff committee's responsibility is to pick the 4 BEST teams to the best of their abilities. NOT the most deserving.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 4, 2023 12:09:32 GMT -5
What does UGA opinion on weather they think they can beat FSU have to do with anything. Im sure LSU thought they could be beat Ole Miss, Notre Dame thought they could be tOSU, Auburn thought they could beat New Mexico State, Im sure TN thought for sure they could beat a struggling UF team...yet, UF boat raced the Vols. You know, actual results from playin the game, not results from what a bunch of ties think will happen if they play. This. So much this. I’ve never seen a sport where what pundits think should/would happen on the field actually carries as much weight as what actually happens on the field. The amount of cases over the history of college football where the team that shouldn’t win, but does win should have taught us more. The history of CFB being a beauty contest, is not one of the endearing qualities of the sport yet so many people want to cling to it. I’ve never understood it.
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Post by athens on Dec 4, 2023 12:11:22 GMT -5
I cant tell if you are being serious or not since you all of the sudden turned into an Alabama fan. You guys just don't "get it". If it was up to "my heart", I would pick FSU. Everyone here should know why. However, "my brain" tells me that Bama is the better team right now. Sure, FSU has a great defense, but an impotent offense at the present time. Did you watch them against Louisville? It was pitiful! So, the way I see it isn't important anyhow. The most entertaining thing to me about this whole scenario is that fans of certain teams who have always sided with the "best teams" argument are now siding with the "most deserving" side because the team that knocked them off their perch is in the playoff instead of them. Hee hee hee! For about the 15th time on here, the QB who played Saturday will not be starting the bowl game. It will be the QB who got taken out on a dirty hit by the Gators.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 4, 2023 12:12:13 GMT -5
What does UGA opinion on weather they think they can beat FSU have to do with anything. Im sure LSU thought they could be beat Ole Miss, Notre Dame thought they could be tOSU, Auburn thought they could beat New Mexico State, Im sure TN thought for sure they could beat a struggling UF team...yet, UF boat raced the Vols. You know, actual results from playin the game, not results from what a bunch of ties think will happen if they play. Ah, yes. Deflection at its best. Why can't you just answer my question first? And in case you haven't noticed, CFB has been all about polls and opinions since the early 1900s. It still is with this playoff committee, and part of this playoff committee's responsibility is to pick the 4 BEST teams to the best of their abilities. NOT the most deserving. Why wouldn’t anyone think that FSU’s defense couldn’t carry them to win over a team that needed 4th and 31 miracle to beat a pedestrian Auburn team, or that same team that squeaked out a 3 pt win against Arkansas or needed a second half surge to beat USF. I mean holy shit that team is truly a gauntlet.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 4, 2023 12:13:09 GMT -5
You guys just don't "get it". If it was up to "my heart", I would pick FSU. Everyone here should know why. However, "my brain" tells me that Bama is the better team right now. Sure, FSU has a great defense, but an impotent offense at the present time. Did you watch them against Louisville? It was pitiful! So, the way I see it isn't important anyhow. The most entertaining thing to me about this whole scenario is that fans of certain teams who have always sided with the "best teams" argument are now siding with the "most deserving" side because the team that knocked them off their perch is in the playoff instead of them. Hee hee hee! For about the 15th time on here, the QB who played Saturday will not be starting the bowl game. It will be the QB who got taken out on a dirty hit by the Gators. Hell the Gators could use the QB that played for FSU on Sat. 🤪
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 12:13:11 GMT -5
You guys just don't "get it". If it was up to "my heart", I would pick FSU. Everyone here should know why. However, "my brain" tells me that Bama is the better team right now. Sure, FSU has a great defense, but an impotent offense at the present time. Did you watch them against Louisville? It was pitiful! So, the way I see it isn't important anyhow. The most entertaining thing to me about this whole scenario is that fans of certain teams who have always sided with the "best teams" argument are now siding with the "most deserving" side because the team that knocked them off their perch is in the playoff instead of them. Hee hee hee! For about the 15th time on here, the QB who played Saturday will not be starting the bowl game. It will be the QB who got taken out on a dirty hit by the Gators. And your point is ?? Go to my other thread and let's bet on it.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 12:14:27 GMT -5
Ah, yes. Deflection at its best. Why can't you just answer my question first? And in case you haven't noticed, CFB has been all about polls and opinions since the early 1900s. It still is with this playoff committee, and part of this playoff committee's responsibility is to pick the 4 BEST teams to the best of their abilities. NOT the most deserving. Why wouldn’t anyone think that FSU’s defense couldn’t carry them to win over a team that needed 4th and 31 miracle to beat a pedestrian Auburn team, or that same team that squeaked out a 3 pt win against Arkansas or needed a second half surge to beat USF. I mean holy shit that team is truly a gauntlet. Go to my other thread and let's bet.
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Post by tonythegator on Dec 4, 2023 12:15:41 GMT -5
For about the 15th time on here, the QB who played Saturday will not be starting the bowl game. It will be the QB who got taken out on a dirty hit by the Gators. Hell the Gators could use the QB that played for FSU on Sat. 🤪 The Gators have nothing to do with it. THIS is the definition of TROLL like GT was speaking of.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 4, 2023 12:16:33 GMT -5
What does UGA opinion on weather they think they can beat FSU have to do with anything. Im sure LSU thought they could be beat Ole Miss, Notre Dame thought they could be tOSU, Auburn thought they could beat New Mexico State, Im sure TN thought for sure they could beat a struggling UF team...yet, UF boat raced the Vols. You know, actual results from playin the game, not results from what a bunch of ties think will happen if they play. Ah, yes. Deflection at its best. Why can't you just answer my question first? And in case you haven't noticed, CFB has been all about polls and opinions since the early 1900s. It still is with this playoff committee, and part of this playoff committee's responsibility is to pick the 4 BEST teams to the best of their abilities. NOT the most deserving. What am I deflecting? Who give a fuck who I think might win if FSU and UGA played? Is a stupid, irrelevant question to the conversation we are having.
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Post by athens on Dec 4, 2023 12:17:31 GMT -5
The point is that you and the CFP committee keep incorrectly correlating (that means connecting for the walnut brained members of the audience) the QB play on Saturday with the QB play going forward when they are 2 dissimilar things.
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