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Post by tonythegator on Dec 23, 2023 12:21:50 GMT -5
And I'm not talking about the namesakes of this board. The state of CFB has saddened me to the point that I have quit watching, except for the Gators and exceptional SEC games. Well, I might watch a major FSU game now, since my grandson is a Nole, but other than that, I could care less. I used to watch all sorts of games, but they mean nothing anymore. The game has just changed so much, and IMO, not for the better.
IMO, the main reason for the state of CFB, today, is the over-saturation of bowl games. The 'Bowl Game" experience is no longer a special reward for the best teams, but an expected game for half of the teams in the country. I was 6 or 7 years old when I first became a football fan and a Gator fan. There were only nine bowl games in those days. Next year, there will be 7 games in the CFP alone. This year, there are 42 bowl games, with 2 of them being part of the CFP. There will be 40 bowl games that have no impact on the National Championship. Back in the old days, there were 4 major bowl games that ALL had an effect on the crowning of a National Champion, and 5 extra bowl games for rewarding the rest of the best teams in the country.
Now, we have all this bullshit NIL and transfer portal. But what did we expect to happen, when so much emphasis was placed on money by over-saturating the bowl game scenario. CFB used to be about school pride. It used to be about amateur athletics and scholarships to get an education. Now, half of the players can barely read at a 6th grade level. WTF have the leaders of our higher education systems done to allow this to happen? It's pitiful, IMO.
Anyhow, I will continue to follow my Gators, and the Noles until my Grandson graduates. I will probably watch the major bowl games, and I will watch UGA games just to root for the other team, but my interest in the rest of the games is highly diminished. But, there is one more thing.
It saddens me greatly that there are so many former members of this board who have left and not returned. I really miss a lot of those posters, and while I know there is nothing we can do to bring them back, I think we all need to think about getting some new blood to keep this board going. Am I wrong?
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 23, 2023 12:44:56 GMT -5
Hard to say that I disagree with much of what you are saying Tony. I too miss a lot of the old posters. Networks need fillers so they could care less about half empty stadiums...if they are even half full. I also enjoyed the old days when the New Years Day Bowl games mostly meant something. And next year some of these big rivalry games will be nothing more than a glorified scrimmage since they will play again a week or so later. College Football was unique in American sports. We are seeing it become the same as all the others.
I hope you are continuing to get better health wise and wish you and yours a Blessed Christmas.I
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Post by ghost on Dec 23, 2023 13:51:16 GMT -5
I really am at the point were i want all CFB to be canceled. all teas disband. the whole thing hit reset button.
The schools get control again... build it back from scratch. all players sign waivers or they don't play. end all conferences... cut all TV deals.... restart it all.
at this point that is pretty powerful with NIL if you could do it.... no play.... no NIL..... I mean without the game, these players are worth nothing.
it has to be something dramatic and huge.
I hate it but the only thing big enough o stop this shit is either to end it..... alll College sports..... or for the Gov to get involved and say "no more". for the courts to deem NIL and contracts in the form of scholarships binding etc.... to make all college athletes employees....
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 23, 2023 13:52:55 GMT -5
Ditto.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 23, 2023 13:55:12 GMT -5
I really am at the point were i want all CFB to be canceled. all teas disband. the whole thing hit reset button. The schools get control again... build it back from scratch. all players sign waivers or they don't play. end all conferences... cut all TV deals.... restart it all. at this point that is pretty powerful with NIL if you could do it.... no play.... no NIL..... I mean without the game, these players are worth nothing. it has to be something dramatic and huge. I hate it but the only thing big enough o stop this shit is either to end it..... alll College sports..... or for the Gov to get involved and say "no more". for the courts to deem NIL and contracts in the form of scholarships binding etc.... to make all college athletes employees.... How do you think the government will help? Congress can't agree on anything. How many wounds does our country have and the medics (federal government) in D.C. can't grab their arse's with both hands.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 23, 2023 13:57:25 GMT -5
The shitzzz hole in D.C. has allowed the crap to drain to all parts of our country. The cesspool of D.C. is spreading to all of our country.
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Post by CFF on Dec 23, 2023 15:35:16 GMT -5
I have referred to them as bowel games for some time now. Just a money grab. Besides the bowel games, here are a few things that have degraded the game.
Coaches making 10 million per year Multi-billion dollar television contracts Bidding wars for players Results on the field are nearly irrelevant when compared to the name on the jersey
I have no issue when a player wants to transfer because they aren't getting playing time, don't like the coaching, or don't like the school. I do have issue when they transfer to another team within the conference. If a player wishes to transfer within the conference, the year of sitting out should apply, other than that they should be able to transfer.
NIL has gotten out of hand. While I agree that in a multi-billion dollar industry that they should be paid, there should be guidelines. Paying players millions of dollars for "Name, Image, and Likeness" is abuse of the intent of this rule. Makes the McDonalds or Chic-fil-a bags seem like child's play.
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Post by Elapid on Dec 23, 2023 18:43:17 GMT -5
Budweiser learned that the dollar shrinks as you piss off you customer base (Bud Light). If this keeps up the same thing will happen to NCAA football...
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Post by ghost on Dec 24, 2023 2:54:25 GMT -5
I really am at the point were i want all CFB to be canceled. all teas disband. the whole thing hit reset button. The schools get control again... build it back from scratch. all players sign waivers or they don't play. end all conferences... cut all TV deals.... restart it all. at this point that is pretty powerful with NIL if you could do it.... no play.... no NIL..... I mean without the game, these players are worth nothing. it has to be something dramatic and huge. I hate it but the only thing big enough o stop this shit is either to end it..... alll College sports..... or for the Gov to get involved and say "no more". for the courts to deem NIL and contracts in the form of scholarships binding etc.... to make all college athletes employees.... How do you think the government will help? Congress can't agree on anything. How many wounds does our country have and the medics (federal government) in D.C. can't grab their arse's with both hands. Nit sure but you have state tax funded schools getting millions ...... and other state tax schools down the road getting 1/8th that. So how is that working out? Private schools might have something to say..... but lots of things the Gov could do because it involves tax money, across state lines with conference deals, anti trust issues etc.... i would think the gov might have a legal way to enact a equality act..... if UGA was making the same money as ga st I wonder what would happen? same with TX and UTSA? The SCOTUS already stepped in and told the NCAA wgat it could do. A branch of the gov..... so its akready involved . If they became employyes with benefits the gov gets involved again. Im just saying it will take something drastic to turn things around. It’s pit of control.
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 24, 2023 9:56:27 GMT -5
So you think you can legislate how much money alumni and other supporters give to their university?
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Post by ghost on Dec 24, 2023 23:37:44 GMT -5
So you think you can legislate how much money alumni and other supporters give to their university? Give all you want to the college. Nit to the players. This is is why I saw blow it all up and don’t seek the government. But only 2 options are big enough to fix it. It has to go to a NFL model now. All athletes in all sports become employees. Which means most sports will be cut. Some schools will will only do certain sports etc. a new CBA is done. we keep saying “CFB is dead” so why care? Maybe the gov removes NIL money from tax credit/write off status? Maybe %75 tax on NIL? I still think scholarships should be done away with now. Make NIL cover tuition and board. Put huge luxury taxes in conferences making more than others. Kill all the money. Burn it down.
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Post by Vespula on Dec 26, 2023 16:19:51 GMT -5
I really am at the point were i want all CFB to be canceled. all teas disband. Please don't disband my teas. I do enjoy a nice cup of PG Tips or Glengetti on cold winter days!
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 26, 2023 16:27:50 GMT -5
I really am at the point were i want all CFB to be canceled. all teas disband. Please don't disband my teas. I do enjoy a nice cup of PG Tips or Glengetti on cold winter days! Vessie, you get a lot of cold days to drink your tea in Wyoming.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 26, 2023 19:15:08 GMT -5
Guys, things change. CFB has been a big business for more than 50 years now. The good ole days that everyone pines after had plenty of handshake agreements with fists full of cash. It’s incrementally gotten bigger and bigger with each passing decade. Larger TV deals, larger coaching salaries, and now players are openly compensated. The last time that this was about school pride was probably at least 70 years ago.
And if you want to know the real reason that the mushroom effect has occurred? It’s because of fans like us. Fans have salivated for more and more games. We consume at rapid pace and large quantities. Hell we’re one of hundreds or thousands of internet sites that talk about it.
Please don’t take this down the path of a political discussion, but you can’t on a poly board espouse the virtues of free market capitalism and then come to this board and say how sad it is to see CFB come to this point. Sorry guys it’s the height of hypocrisy because we as fans have created the market. Cat is out of the bag. No turning back. Only thing to happen will be for the athletes to get even more leverage. Good for them.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Dec 27, 2023 9:04:35 GMT -5
So, toph, you are good with "free agency" before the Bowl Games and Playoffs?
Can't think of one League where this is allowed where payers can freely jump between teams before the season is over. What is going on right now in CFB is bullshit.
Tighten it up considerably, put some rules in place, and then I will possibly enjoy the game kinda like I have. But what is going in 2023 is ridiculous!!
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Post by CFF on Dec 27, 2023 9:37:23 GMT -5
So, toph, you are good with "free agency" before the Bowl Games and Playoffs? Can't think of one League where this is allowed where payers can freely jump between teams before the season is over. What is going on right now in CFB is bullshit. Tighten it up considerably, put some rules in place, and then I will possibly enjoy the game kinda like I have. But what is going in 2023 is ridiculous!! MLB players transfer during the season. To your point though, they do have rules in place.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 27, 2023 11:07:17 GMT -5
So, toph, you are good with "free agency" before the Bowl Games and Playoffs? Can't think of one League where this is allowed where payers can freely jump between teams before the season is over. What is going on right now in CFB is bullshit. Tighten it up considerably, put some rules in place, and then I will possibly enjoy the game kinda like I have. But what is going in 2023 is ridiculous!! So there wasn’t an enough time for me to elaborate that like anything else they need to iterate and put parameters in place that make a bit more sense. That said coaches leave all the time before bowl games to get a head start on ‘cruitin. So it would have to be both ways in my book. Whatever stipulations you put on players, you should put on coaches as well. Might have to alter deadlines for signing and portals and such. All that to say, there are answers and compromises to likely every gotcha scenario that folks have. I will agree that the current governing body is doing a poor job of setting the framework.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 27, 2023 11:12:44 GMT -5
It is totally lost on me that everyone continues to beat the drum of, "Whatever stipulations you put on players, you should put on coaches as well."
One is a professional, under contract and being paid a healthy salary, the other is a student, amateur, and 18 years old.
Regardless of what is said, the If a corch is allowed do x,y,z... a player should be allowed to do the same, will never make sense to me.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 27, 2023 12:27:36 GMT -5
It is totally lost on me that everyone continues to beat the drum of, "Whatever stipulations you put on players, you should put on coaches as well." One is a professional, under contract and being paid a healthy salary, the other is a student, amateur, and 18 years old. Regardless of what is said, the If a corch is allowed do x,y,z... a player should be allowed to do the same, will never make sense to me. Likely because the days of them being considered amateurs are fast coming to an end. And out of curiosity what does age of athlete have to do with anything?
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 27, 2023 12:40:07 GMT -5
It is totally lost on me that everyone continues to beat the drum of, "Whatever stipulations you put on players, you should put on coaches as well." One is a professional, under contract and being paid a healthy salary, the other is a student, amateur, and 18 years old. Regardless of what is said, the If a corch is allowed do x,y,z... a player should be allowed to do the same, will never make sense to me. Likely because the days of them being considered amateurs are fast coming to an end. And out of curiosity what does age of athlete have to do with anything? Should an 18yo is a student, not on par or the same level or have same rights/privileges as a professional corch or their Professors? Why not allow students (Grade, Middle, High, College) to treat, talk to, act anyway they want to their Teachers or Admins? Should the entry level clerk have the same rights as the Owner/CEO/Pres of a Company?
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 27, 2023 13:03:24 GMT -5
Likely because the days of them being considered amateurs are fast coming to an end. And out of curiosity what does age of athlete have to do with anything? Should an 18yo is a student, not on par or the same level or have same rights/privileges as a professional corch or their Professors? Why not allow students (Grade, Middle, High, College) to treat, talk to, act anyway they want to their Teachers or Admins? Should the entry level clerk have the same rights as the Owner/CEO/Pres of a Company? Without those 18 year olds the coach doesn’t have a job. Does the market place artificial constraints on 17 year old musicians or actor/actresses? While they aren’t at the peak of their earnings it’s still much more than the average 18 year old that doesn’t have those skill sets. We as fans don’t turn the tv on to watch a coach read plays off the clipboard. Those coaches have massive salaries because of the 18 yr olds with very specific and unique talents that fans tune in to watch. Because of the massive revenues that the sport generates it’s only a matter of time before the athletes collectively bargain for a larger piece of the revenue pie. So I guess it will just be a lower tier of professional sports.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 27, 2023 13:20:57 GMT -5
I don't think the young players have any more common sense than I had at 18. Most of them IMO, don't have a clue to what is happening in the real world, outside of football or whatever sport they are playing.
Then to give them a handful of dollars - Wow. What does one expect them to do. And now with all the media outlets and especially social media - one farts and it is broadcast to the world. I feel sorry for the young generation of today.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Dec 27, 2023 13:22:13 GMT -5
Should an 18yo is a student, not on par or the same level or have same rights/privileges as a professional corch or their Professors? Why not allow students (Grade, Middle, High, College) to treat, talk to, act anyway they want to their Teachers or Admins? Should the entry level clerk have the same rights as the Owner/CEO/Pres of a Company? Without those 18 year olds the coach doesn’t have a job. Does the market place artificial constraints on 17 year old musicians or actor/actresses? While they aren’t at the peak of their earnings it’s still much more than the average 18 year old that doesn’t have those skill sets. We as fans don’t turn the tv on to watch a coach read plays off the clipboard. Those coaches have massive salaries because of the 18 yr olds with very specific and unique talents that fans tune in to watch. Because of the massive revenues that the sport generates it’s only a matter of time before the athletes collectively bargain for a larger piece of the revenue pie. So I guess it will just be a lower tier of professional sports. We will agree to disagree.
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Post by MtnTiger on Dec 27, 2023 13:33:49 GMT -5
Likely because the days of them being considered amateurs are fast coming to an end. And out of curiosity what does age of athlete have to do with anything? Should an 18yo is a student, not on par or the same level or have same rights/privileges as a professional corch or their Professors? Why not allow students (Grade, Middle, High, College) to treat, talk to, act anyway they want to their Teachers or Admins? Should the entry level clerk have the same rights as the Owner/CEO/Pres of a Company? You obviously haven’t been to a middle or high school lately. Mouthy MFers.
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Post by ghost on Dec 27, 2023 13:46:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this new TP and NIL thing has stood while the NFL's rule on on "3 years from HS" has stood....
Clareett tried to challenge it i remember...... but i think it was about "safety" and maturity? that the NFL could mandate age restrictions or qualifications since they were employing the players?
The same kind of control could be instantly granted when the NCAA makes all athlete employees......
The only way he big dogs are going to allow that though is for a couple of smaller market teams to start literally buying players and building teams that can win the CFbpo yearly.... then the call will be for them to be stopped...
If a billionaire decided that "East Carolina" was his choice because "he liked purple" or something..... and he bought players outright under NIL and the TP to get them from OSU, FSU, Bama, UGA.... and then they were unbeatable.... the big schools would finally want to stop it.... but right now they have the boosters to buy players that other schools don't.
Making players employees is the logical next step to regain control and save the sport.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 27, 2023 14:40:56 GMT -5
Without those 18 year olds the coach doesn’t have a job. Does the market place artificial constraints on 17 year old musicians or actor/actresses? While they aren’t at the peak of their earnings it’s still much more than the average 18 year old that doesn’t have those skill sets. We as fans don’t turn the tv on to watch a coach read plays off the clipboard. Those coaches have massive salaries because of the 18 yr olds with very specific and unique talents that fans tune in to watch. Because of the massive revenues that the sport generates it’s only a matter of time before the athletes collectively bargain for a larger piece of the revenue pie. So I guess it will just be a lower tier of professional sports. We will agree to disagree. Fair enough.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 27, 2023 15:02:46 GMT -5
As Bigdawgs stated quite a while ago, we are heading for "NFL Lite". And it will be sooner than later.
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Post by bigdawgs on Dec 27, 2023 15:22:24 GMT -5
As Bigdawgs stated quite a while ago, we are heading for "NFL Lite". And it will be sooner than later. I was mocked by more than a few by that prediction years ago.
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Post by tophb21 on Dec 27, 2023 16:10:52 GMT -5
And what exactly is the biggest detriment of an nfl lite model?
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Post by MtnTiger on Dec 27, 2023 16:14:18 GMT -5
And what exactly is the biggest detriment of an nfl lite model? Fraternity boys can’t sneak out in the middle of the night and grease the train tracks and affect the game.
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