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Post by Pirate Joe on Aug 1, 2014 18:50:31 GMT -5
wont start against Arkansas. No time table on their return.
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Post by athens on Aug 1, 2014 20:20:38 GMT -5
I think that was the correct decision by Malzahn
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 21:26:02 GMT -5
I thought this was about Marshall University and some funky slang for Cincinnati.
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 1, 2014 23:10:55 GMT -5
Won't start doesn't mean anything by itself. Ask Corch Meyer!
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Post by Pirate Joe on Aug 2, 2014 4:48:43 GMT -5
he could come in on the second down, or could play his first game against K State. As we have heard Auburn does NOT have a mandatory suspension for a first offense. There is a 6 game suspension for a second one.
After a first offense for pot or alcohol players are required to attend counseling and a mandatory alcohol and drug course they must successfully complete. They also complete anything the coaches require of them separately.
Malzahn also stated at the press conference that Marshall was the Nr1 QB but he would not start against Arkansas and left it at that. Actually people are pretty surprised he said as much as he did.
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Post by Pirate Joe on Aug 2, 2014 5:32:03 GMT -5
I believe, my opinion, this screws Beliema and Arkansas. They have to prepare for Marshall who is a zone read type QB and Jeremy Johnson who is more of a pocket passer. As QB's go, I actually think Johnson is a better QB. Marshall is a better "athlete" and does shit with athletic ability (see my sig pic)
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Post by dawgfan17 on Aug 2, 2014 8:12:48 GMT -5
Essentially this means GM will be strict and suspend him for a whole game IF AU is doing well and they don't need him. If things start to go bad he can play him and say well we punished him, he didn't start. But as GM said at SEC media days he has never been in trouble before.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 9:46:49 GMT -5
So what you are saying is...they will send johnson or whomever the back is out there to hand the ball off a few times before Marshall gets to play? Grab your sack and give them a 1 game, 2 game, 1 half or something
I guess this is somewhat of a game too so they have to prepare for Marshall to play but send a statement to these kids
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Post by Pirate Joe on Aug 2, 2014 10:42:56 GMT -5
So what you are saying is...they will send johnson or whomever the back is out there to hand the ball off a few times before Marshall gets to play? Grab your sack and give them a 1 game, 2 game, 1 half or something I guess this is somewhat of a game too so they have to prepare for Marshall to play but send a statement to these kids Johnson has played full games last year when Marshall was injured. As stated earlier, I think he is probably the better QB and has a rocket arm. I wouldnt be surprised to watch him throw it. Auburn is currently -21 VS Arkansas. I kind of like the idea that he doesnt know what his penalty is. Makes him sweat and think about his actions longer.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 10:47:39 GMT -5
So what you are saying is...they will send johnson or whomever the back is out there to hand the ball off a few times before Marshall gets to play? Grab your sack and give them a 1 game, 2 game, 1 half or something I guess this is somewhat of a game too so they have to prepare for Marshall to play but send a statement to these kids Johnson has played full games last year when Marshall was injured. As stated earlier, I think he is probably the better QB and has a rocket arm. I wouldnt be surprised to watch him throw it. Auburn is currently -21 VS Arkansas. I kind of like the idea that he doesnt know what his penalty is. Makes him sweat and think about his actions longer. Marshall's arm is why I wonder if Auburn can have the same level of success that they had last season. I am definitely not sold on it and the loss of Prosch and Mason are pretty significant for that run game. Prosch doesnt get enough love for what he did in that offense
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 10:50:16 GMT -5
I will add...they could be just as good and finish 3rd in that division just because I think the top 3 are all pretty close in talent. I dont think any team in the east could finish in the top 3 in the west this season
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Post by Pirate Joe on Aug 2, 2014 10:53:44 GMT -5
I will add...they could be just as good and finish 3rd in that division just because I think the top 3 are all pretty close in talent. I dont think any team in the east could finish in the top 3 in the west this season I believe Auburn does have a better team this year than last regardless of Mason and Prosch leaving but you are right, they could have a worse record and finish lower in the west. They could easily drop 3-4 games.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 11:09:39 GMT -5
I say no more than 3
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2014 11:27:26 GMT -5
I think nmerritt11 has been sipping the Robitussin this Saturday to claim that no team in the East could finish in the "top 3" of the West. (I am saying this with a tinge of humor, but am serious, as well.) Hmmmm…UGA beat LSU last year, had Auburn beat last year but a hail mary beats them in that game, but "no way" they could compete against what I presume is LSU/BAMA/Auburn this year? Why is that, nmerritt1? Would love to see why a South Carolina, Georgia or Florida could not compete for a top 3 spot in the West this year. LSU lost how many? Alabama's qb is who? Auburn's D, which was not good last year has who coming back? My point is this, all the teams are replacing players, etc, and in no way resemble the team they were last year. I would say South Carolina might make some noise. Georgia, has talent all up and down that roster, just a matter of the pieces shaking out into place. As far as skill positions, they are in good-great shape. Florida, has a D, just a matter of their O getting on track. Just, well, your statement bothers me without further explanation as to why you would say such. To revere the West with a statement like no team in the East can stay within the top 3 sounds a wee but drunk on perception, not reality. And, all this, just my opinion.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 11:40:09 GMT -5
I dont see what about SC makes anyone think they are going to make some noise. Dylan Thompson has been awful in every start he has had...Even the win in Clemson he was not great. He threw 4 balls directly to DBs who dropped them. Their corners are suspect, their DL will take a significant step back but they do benefit from a manageable schedule. The defense will be worse and people do not give Connor shaw enough credit...that kid was a gamer. Every time the lights came on he was ready to go. 24 TDs to 1 INT is an incredible stat line...Thompson's wont be close to that. He makes bad decisions with the football...not to mention a lot of the plays in the passing game came with Shaw moving the pocket and creating shit. A lot of times he would scramble and force DBs to make a decision...come up for run support or stay in coverage? If they stayed in coverage he made the play with his legs...if they bit the WR would release and he would hit them over the top. That kid is a flat out gamer who I had a ton of respect for...he flat out got it done and prtected the football. Thompson wont complete 60% of his passes and will be lucky to have a 2 to 1 TD:INT. SC plays Auburn so prove me wrong
UGA is a question mark to me. Skill talent is there on offense but I am not sold on Mason. OL was average last season and lost 3 starters. Defensive secondary is a cluster fvck...LBs are really damn good though and front 7 is experienced. They will need a lot of pressure on QB's to make up for secondary deficiencies. I actually think UGA can be good but I want to see how that defense, OL, and Mason respond. They too play auburn...
Florida is talented but it seems Boom may be losing the team. Great defense but what will they be able to do on offense? Florida gets the chance to play LSU/Bama so they can prove me wrong...oh and any team that lets Georgia Southern beat them in the swamp doesnt deserve to be mentioned in this convo. Question here is could they win the Socon?
I just think people are sleeping on LSU this season. Cameron's second season and they have recruited really well. I just think the top 3 in the west are better. It may be a crazy statement and the best in the east may be able to break into that top 3 but the West is a lot better than the east top to bottom right now. Ole Miss and Mississippi state are not guaranteed W's either
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2014 11:51:15 GMT -5
So, a team that loses 10(however many it is) players to the NFL, or at the least, declaring for the draft, and does not have a QB, is a far stronger team than any of the three from the East? How is that so? Does LSU have a QB that has played one snap in a game? I certainly am not desiring to piss on LSU, as they recruit well, always seemingly have players stockpiled, but how come they get a pass and all these other teams have something to prove? It doesn't make sense to me.
Oh well. We all have our own opinions and based on varying sources and reasoning You might very well be right, who am I to say. But, I will say, your statement that no team in the East can compete and be within the top 3 in the West is one I will contend until proven definitively wrong. It doesn't make any sense to me at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 12:03:05 GMT -5
but how come they get a pass and all these other teams have something to prove? I don't know if it helps, but here's the generic justification for preseason rankings of LSU from the other thread about making your own preseason ranking: I suppose at some level you can apply that to the East v West argument as well.
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Post by CFF on Aug 2, 2014 12:04:42 GMT -5
I think nmerritt11 has been sipping the Robitussin this Saturday to claim that no team in the East could finish in the "top 3" of the West. (I am saying this with a tinge of humor, but am serious, as well.) Hmmmm…UGA beat LSU last year, had Auburn beat last year but a hail mary beats them in that game, but "no way" they could compete against what I presume is LSU/BAMA/Auburn this year? Why is that, nmerritt1? Would love to see why a South Carolina, Georgia or Florida could not compete for a top 3 spot in the West this year. LSU lost how many? Alabama's qb is who? Auburn's D, which was not good last year has who coming back? My point is this, all the teams are replacing players, etc, and in no way resemble the team they were last year. I would say South Carolina might make some noise. Georgia, has talent all up and down that roster, just a matter of the pieces shaking out into place. As far as skill positions, they are in good-great shape. Florida, has a D, just a matter of their O getting on track. Just, well, your statement bothers me without further explanation as to why you would say such. To revere the West with a statement like no team in the East can stay within the top 3 sounds a wee but drunk on perception, not reality. And, all this, just my opinion. Right now, until proven otherwise, the west is a stronger division. As far as the East goes, it is wide open. You need not limit it to UGA, UF, and USC. Mizzou is an unknown, but did win the thing last year and performed pretty well during the championship game. UT beat USCe, nearly beat UGA, and got beaten by UF. Tennessee is far more talented this year and could surprise you. UF on the other hand beat nobody...except Tennessee. They were pretty bad. Not lacking talent, just not performing. Hell, they were tackling their own players and they are given a free ride. Then...lets not forget Vandy. They beat UF, UT, and UGA last year. Sure they have a new coach, but lets wait and see what they have.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2014 12:15:33 GMT -5
Tennessee does not have one returning starter on either the OL or the DL. Maybe UT might surprise, but would have to label the hill that is in front of them a hell of a lot steeper than that of UGA, USC or UF. Hell, steeper than that of Missouri, too!
I am not pissing on Missouri at all. If you wish to include them ahead of any combination of those three teams, or all three, please feel free to do. I just went with the "main" three.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2014 12:25:52 GMT -5
Oh, and in case I need to, Georgia had one of the sorriest Defenses in the league/country last year. There was talent on the field, but were more often clueless how to play the scheme force fed them, and not able to use their talents to the fullest due to such.
I pray, so to speak(not literally), that the change at DC, and the other positions that were replaced, revamp the pathetic play on that side of the ball and allows UGA to play a more balanced game on the field. I have to say, Georgia has some serious talent on the roster and hope that with a simpler approach to D, combined with what finally seems to be depth on the O, that Georgia will surprise and eliminate some of those loses that happened last year where major injuries to 5 starters on the O, and a porous D, who couldn't stop syrup in January from oozing out of Maple trees in Vermont, is simplified and plays to the strengths of its components, and not to some unchanging diagram on a piece of paper/chalkboard indicating what a player is supposed to do if x does y and z becomes 3, where in turn, four players are to wave their hands in the air, look at each other, the sidelines, and scream, "Huh?", with an odd look on their face. If that is eliminated, UGA can win at least two to three more games than last year, easily.
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Post by CFF on Aug 2, 2014 13:01:17 GMT -5
Oh, and in case I need to, Georgia had one of the sorriest Defenses in the league/country last year. There was talent on the field, but were more often clueless how to play the scheme force fed them, and not able to use their talents to the fullest due to such. I pray, so to speak(not literally), that the change at DC, and the other positions that were replaced, revamp the pathetic play on that side of the ball and allows UGA to play a more balanced game on the field. I have to say, Georgia has some serious talent on the roster and hope that with a simpler approach to D, combined with what finally seems to be depth on the O, that Georgia will surprise and eliminate some of those loses that happened last year where major injuries to 5 starters on the O, and a porous D, who couldn't stop syrup in January from oozing out of Maple trees in Vermont, is simplified and plays to the strengths of its components, and not to some unchanging diagram on a piece of player indicating what a player is supposed to do if x does y, then z becomes 3, where in turn, four players are to wave their hands in the air, look at each other, the sidelines, and scream, "Huh?", with an odd look on their face. If that is eliminated, UGA can win at least two to three more games than last year, easily. Georgia should win more games this year. They are one of the more talented teams in the country. Same could be said for most of the last 10 years. Most of the time, they have not lived up to expectations, hence the pre-season national champion moniker.
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Post by CFF on Aug 2, 2014 13:11:17 GMT -5
Tennessee does not have one returning starter on either the OL or the DL. Maybe UT might surprise, but would have to label the hill that is in front of them a hell of a lot steeper than that of UGA, USC or UF. Hell, steeper than that of Missouri, too! I am not pissing on Missouri at all. If you wish to include them ahead of any combination of those three teams, or all three, please feel free to do. I just went with the "main" three. Tennessee does have 10 upperclassmen returning on DL and 7 on OL. Yes, they did lose the more experienced, but they didn't lose all of the players with playing time. I look at the roster and see several players with extensive playing time. No guarantees, but I think they will be all right after the first couple of games.
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2014 13:11:46 GMT -5
Where does all this pre-season national champion talk come from. I can think of one year..2008. And even that year SEC writers picked UF by 2-1. I keep hearing pre season this and that and am not familiar with it.
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Post by CFF on Aug 2, 2014 13:16:26 GMT -5
Where does all this pre-season national champion talk come from. I can think of one year..2008. And even that year SEC writers picked UF by 2-1. I keep hearing pre season this and that and am not familiar with it. I didn't make it up. I don't know where it came from, but I have heard it several times.
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2014 13:26:46 GMT -5
In 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2012 Georgia finished higher than picked. In 2006, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2013 they finished lower and in 2011 they fished where they were picked. They were not picked to win the east in 11 or 12. They have not won a national title. Got it. But there have a bunch of teams that have underperformed including teams that have won titles.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Aug 2, 2014 14:50:14 GMT -5
You all know my stance on UT for this season, but one argument that gets lost is, UT has the best WRs in the East and their backs will surprise. Worley also did a decent job in the UGA and SCe games before getting injured. If the OLine comes together, UT could easily have the best offense.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2014 15:06:17 GMT -5
I just found Brad's picture online…
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Post by 75tranzam on Aug 2, 2014 15:06:19 GMT -5
You all know my stance on UT for this season, but one argument that gets lost is, UT has the best WRs in the East and their backs will surprise. Worley also did a decent job in the UGA and SCe games before getting injured. If the OLine comes together, UT could easily have the best offense. Please show the stats to back up UT having the best WRs in the East. I'll put UGAs up against UTs all day long.
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Post by nmerritt11 on Aug 2, 2014 15:54:44 GMT -5
Oh, and in case I need to, Georgia had one of the sorriest Defenses in the league/country last year. There was talent on the field, but were more often clueless how to play the scheme force fed them, and not able to use their talents to the fullest due to such. I pray, so to speak(not literally), that the change at DC, and the other positions that were replaced, revamp the pathetic play on that side of the ball and allows UGA to play a more balanced game on the field. I have to say, Georgia has some serious talent on the roster and hope that with a simpler approach to D, combined with what finally seems to be depth on the O, that Georgia will surprise and eliminate some of those loses that happened last year where major injuries to 5 starters on the O, and a porous D, who couldn't stop syrup in January from oozing out of Maple trees in Vermont, is simplified and plays to the strengths of its components, and not to some unchanging diagram on a piece of paper/chalkboard indicating what a player is supposed to do if x does y and z becomes 3, where in turn, four players are to wave their hands in the air, look at each other, the sidelines, and scream, "Huh?", with an odd look on their face. If that is eliminated, UGA can win at least two to three more games than last year, easily. I think there is talent everywhere except the secondary...I just don't see a great group there. But I also see a very similar situation to what Venables walked into in Clemson. Talent that was poorly coached, confused, and had to be broken down and rebuilt. Everyone thinks Pruitt is this Gift from Heaven...at FSU he took over a defense that had been recruited and developed by Stoops. He had the best two deep roster talent in the nation and by far the best secondary. Now he takes over a group of Grantham developed players with a scary thin secondary and a group of DL that have most under achieved based on the "talent" level AKA potential. Georgia players are saying the same thing that Clemson players said when Venables arrived..."system is easier, we can play faster, we are doing some different things but it is easier to understand." That is all well and good but it is essentially starting over. Walking into FSU was the perfect storm with a damn good group of players that had been properly coached and developed. I am not saying UGA cannot be very good because I absolutely think they can. I think they should be the favorite at home against Clemson but I question their ability to get pressure on the QB, question their ability to cover WRs, and I question their OL ability to protect Mason and open up holes for Gurley and company. I look at this UGA team and it reminds me a lot of the team that got curb stomped by Bama in the Georgia Dome. Everyone is focusing on their WR and RBs and expecting them to be great...well we will see how they handle a great DL in week 1. Again, gun to my head I am still probably picking Georgia to win the east but still a lot of question marks. Them getting a by after Clemson and before SC is a good thing because that will be a physical football game and they can have some recovery and preparation time.
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Post by Bradimous1 on Aug 2, 2014 15:55:19 GMT -5
You all know my stance on UT for this season, but one argument that gets lost is, UT has the best WRs in the East and their backs will surprise. Worley also did a decent job in the UGA and SCe games before getting injured. If the OLine comes together, UT could easily have the best offense. Please show the stats to back up UT having the best WRs in the East. I'll put UGAs up against UTs all day long. lets rehash this after the season. Last years leading WR will be lucky to be in the 2 deep. If you follow recruiting at all and can't admit this, your glasses may be shaded a little too red.
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