|
|
Post by Elapid on Jul 21, 2021 18:36:07 GMT -5
It would take some adjustment from Texas. The SEC schools share an equal portion of the money generated by athletics, or at least they used to.
|
|
|
|
Post by ghost on Jul 21, 2021 18:44:15 GMT -5
Twitter reports that Mizzu and TAMU are a "hard NO" which means only 2 others have to say no and this is dead on arrival at the voting desk.
Can't see why anyone would really want them to come to the SEC... Ark/LSU especially.... Even the East squads have to be nervous since it would move lily 2 West schools over...
|
|
|
|
Post by GoBigRed203 on Jul 21, 2021 18:45:51 GMT -5
Ain't enough for Texas to dictators of the Big XII.
|
|
|
|
Post by GoBigRed203 on Jul 21, 2021 18:46:11 GMT -5
The Kansas schools could just stop trying to play football. Pretty sure the school in Lawrence already has. |
|
|
|
Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 21, 2021 18:55:40 GMT -5
The SEC would get little benefit from adding Texas unless the newly signed Disney contract was renegotiated. Plus, the longhorn network would have to be rolled into the SEC Network. As I said before, the SEC would be more interested in a North Carolina or Virginia team.
|
|
|
|
Post by bigdawgs on Jul 21, 2021 19:16:25 GMT -5
The SEC would get little benefit from adding Texas unless the newly signed Disney contract was renegotiated. Plus, the longhorn network would have to be rolled into the SEC Network. As I said before, the SEC would be more interested in a North Carolina or Virginia team. I agree, but not seeing anything remotely like a denial. |
|
|
|
Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 21, 2021 19:48:29 GMT -5
Well you won’t see the SEC comment on it. My guess is UT and OU do want in, but whether the SEC would take them is a whole different story. Maybe they are just trying to extort the B12.
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 19:51:11 GMT -5
Twitter reports that Mizzu and TAMU are a "hard NO" which means only 2 others have to say no and this is dead on arrival at the voting desk. Can't see why anyone would really want them to come to the SEC... Ark/LSU especially.... Even the East squads have to be nervous since it would move lily 2 West schools over... The SEC loves more money. Also if things are about to shift again the SEC teams will want to grab the best ones before anyone else can. |
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 19:53:15 GMT -5
I know it's been a long time since Texas was good, but UT and Oklahoma bring a lot of fans and eyeballs. No way any conference passes on adding them.
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 19:56:45 GMT -5
Well you won’t see the SEC comment on it. My guess is UT and OU do want in, but whether the SEC would take them is a whole different story. They need to talk to the lawyers about getting UT and OU out of the Big12, talk to Disney about what the money will be for the super conference, and talk to the Big 10 to see if they are interested in doing the same. If the Big 10 and SEC go to 16 the next move will be to leave the NCAA for football and form 4 conferences. There are currently 65 Power 5 teams, so it's pretty easy to end up with 64 teams in the new Super Conferences. ^ that's a lot of hurdles to jump before this thing is a done deal. btw, somebody leaked this on purpose. My guess is TAMU. They wanted it dead before it was a done deal. |
|
|
|
Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 21, 2021 20:00:49 GMT -5
I know it's been a long time since Texas was good, but UT and Oklahoma bring a lot of fans and eyeballs. No way any conference passes on adding them. But that doesn’t necessarily translate to more money especially given the SEC has already signed a new tv contract. Now if there serious renegotiation as a result, then maybe. |
|
|
|
Post by bigdawgs on Jul 21, 2021 20:01:54 GMT -5
Well you won’t see the SEC comment on it. My guess is UT and OU do want in, but whether the SEC would take them is a whole different story. They need to talk to the lawyers about getting UT and OU out of the Big12, talk to Disney about what the money will be for the super conference, and talk to the Big 10 to see if they are interested in doing the same. If the Big 10 and SEC go to 16 the next move will be to leave the NCAA for football and form 4 conferences. There are currently 65 Power 5 teams, so it's pretty easy to end up with 64 teams in the new Super Conferences. ^ that's a lot of hurdles to jump before this thing is a done deal. btw, somebody leaked this on purpose. My guess is TAMU. They wanted it dead before it was a done deal. If that is accurate, then go Aggies. More and more we are literally destroying the game that has as much if not more than any other in tradition and history. |
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 20:04:40 GMT -5
I saw somewhere that ADs don't go to media days but coincidentally TAMU's AD was there and could quickly talk to Finebaum and the rest of the media.
|
|
|
|
Post by banned on Jul 21, 2021 20:07:59 GMT -5
Does the SEC really need 2 losers called "UT"? Isn't one enough?
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 20:10:29 GMT -5
Again, because I'm bored....
I wonder what the other conferences would try to add?
PAC- I guess TT and Okie State, but the rest of the Southern Big 12 teams aren't big draws. Maybe BYU? They're sort of like ND and have a ton of fans.
Big 10- They gotta make one last run at ND. I know the ACC, but ND really fits the Big 10. Then what? Iowa State? Starts getting slim.
ACC- They're boxed in by the SEC to their West and the Bog 10 to their North. I can see WV, but what else? Maybe USF and UCF? That seems weak.
|
|
|
|
Post by bigdawgs on Jul 21, 2021 20:20:57 GMT -5
I still believe the Oklahoma State legislature and governor are going to have more than a lot to say about this. There is no way that they have that approval in the pocket without Cowboy alums not knowing about it.
|
|
|
|
Post by tophb21 on Jul 21, 2021 20:39:51 GMT -5
Stranger things have certainly happened and it’s not the least plausible idea that I’ve heard. That said, I’ll believe it when I see it. Sounds like UT and OU want a bigger stake in Big 12 money.
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 21, 2021 21:15:39 GMT -5
As news broke about Oklahoma’s possible desire to move to the SEC, a common misunderstanding resurfaced on social media regarding the Oklahoma state legislature and its role. The Oklahoma state legislature holds no authority regarding the athletics conference of state schools. The University of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State University are governed independently by the University of Oklahoma Board of Regents and the OSU/A&M Board of Regents, respectively.
Chad Alexander is the former Oklahoma Republican Party chairman and lobbied for the University of Oklahoma during the last round of conference realignment talks. He emphasized in a phone interview Wednesday that a lot has changed in the last 10 years. Term limits mean the legislature and boards of regents are filled with new faces. Longtime presidents David Boren (OU) and Burns Hargis (OSU) have both retired, with Hargis’ retirement coming just this month.
During the 2011 realignment talks, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were attached at the hip. Any deal sending the Sooners to the conceptual Pac-16 would have included the Cowboys. Much of that was due to Boren, both because of his relationship with Hargis, and because of Boren’s general philosophy that Oklahoma and Oklahoma State should compete in the same conference.
Joseph Harroz Jr., the current OU president, worked many years for Boren, but his philosophy on that subject is unclear.
Oklahoma State’s fiery statement Wednesday after news broke is a sign of just how important it is to remain attached to the Sooners — and also indicates that it might not feel protected in any legal sense should OU decide to make a move.
Still, expect there to be significant political pressure from state lawmakers with ties to Oklahoma State. It’s also worth noting that Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt is an Oklahoma State alumnus, although he hasn’t made any public statements about this situation.
Alexander and other sources told The Athletic that even if the state legislature were to pass a law mandating that OU and OSU remain in the same conference and even if the governor signed it, it probably wouldn’t hold up in court because of the way university governance is arranged in the state. — Jason Kersey
|
|
|
|
Post by bigdawgs on Jul 21, 2021 21:20:18 GMT -5
That is a way oversimplification of the process. There are so many ways the governor and the legislature can take punitive action that the board of regents has no say so about. It might happen but there could be a real backlash within the state and some politicians might be looking at their home folk before going along with it.
|
|
|
|
Post by bigdawgs on Jul 21, 2021 21:44:03 GMT -5
Saturdays Down South
Texas and Oklahoma’s days in the Big 12 appear to be numbered.
On the same day of news that Texas and Oklahoma have reached out to the SEC, Rivals’ Texas site Orangebloods is reporting that the two schools are close to informing the Big 12 that they plan to leave the conference:
A high-level university official informed Orangebloods the expectation is that Texas and Oklahoma would inform the Big 12 as early as next week that both schools intend to decline on extending the existing set of media rights. The contract expires in 2025.
The Orangebloods article follows the bombshell report from Brent Zwerneman of the Houston Chronicle that Texas and Oklahoma reached out to the SEC. If the Longhorns and Sooners are looking to join the SEC upon exiting the Big 12, Texas A&M’s objections may not be able to stop it from happening.
Pete Thamel of Yahoo Sports tweeted Wednesday evening, “A&M’s very public objections are the strongest, and getting 11 of the 14 votes doesn’t appear to be an issue.” Eleven of the 14 SEC schools have to vote in favor of adding a new school. There was a report that Missouri would also vote against adding Oklahoma and Texas.
Texas A&M AD Ross Bjork told Paul Finebaum on Wednesday afternoon that one of the reasons Texas A&M left the Big 12 for the SEC was wanting to have a “standalone identity” in the state of Texas.
“The SEC has been a perfect fit for us,” Bjork said on the show. “We want to maintain that same identity. Perhaps there’s a reason that Texas and Oklahoma are looking around – if that’s the case.”
Bjork added, “We love being in the SEC. We love being the only (SEC) program in the state of Texas. We’re going to maintain that position, but we’re also going to make sure that we are a leader in college athletics and we’ll see what the future holds.”
The Orangebloods reports adds that Texas’ move to the SEC would signal the end of the Longhorn Network “and that the school has come to terms with this.” The article also mentions the possibility of LHN “folding into” the SEC Network.
|
|
|
|
Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 2:47:11 GMT -5
I still believe the Oklahoma State legislature and governor are going to have more than a lot to say about this. There is no way that they have that approval in the pocket without Cowboy alums not knowing about it. They have already said that OU would have to meet guidelines.... literally pay OKstate and sign a lifetime OOC home and home contract. They em know that the SEC only has 2 spots. So they will not try to get in, but they won’t make it easy or cheap |
|
|
|
Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 2:51:03 GMT -5
I’m glad CGB will be over next season anyway cause of NIL.....
SO WHO CARES?
The only hope is that the governments get involved.
Because then they can fuck it up worse and kill it.
Blow it up and start over.
|
|
|
|
Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 22, 2021 5:15:28 GMT -5
That bad blood/obstacles don’t really matter. From an OU or UT perspective, the long term stability and money of the SEC would outweigh any short term concerns. If the SEC goes to 16 teams, I’d like to see 4 pods of 4 teams with a 9 game schedule. The pods would be matched against each other like A vs A (3 games) A vs B (4 games), B vs B, C vs C, C vs D, D vs D and leaves 2 slots which would accommodate the historical rivalries. Then two pods could be grouped and the top team from each group goes to the CCG. Hopefully I thought that through enough mathematically. This would also open up the SEC to having 3 to 4 teams in contention for playoff spots. We will call it the Alabama back door method.
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 7:04:09 GMT -5
The Orangebloods reports adds that Texas’ move to the SEC would signal the end of the Longhorn Network “and that the school has come to terms with this.” The article also mentions the possibility of LHN “folding into” the SEC Network. Sounds like Texas is prepared to be just one of 16 teams in the SEC. |
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 7:07:10 GMT -5
I still believe the Oklahoma State legislature and governor are going to have more than a lot to say about this. There is no way that they have that approval in the pocket without Cowboy alums not knowing about it. They have already said that OU would have to meet guidelines.... literally pay OKstate and sign a lifetime OOC home and home contract. They em know that the SEC only has 2 spots. So they will not try to get in, but they won’t make it easy or cheap I can see the promise to continue the rivalry game, but why and what would OU have to pay Okie State? I know there is a big penalty for announcing you are leaving, but they will just stop short of that announcement while planning to leave. Eventually all of the remaining teams will need to talk about the future and the penalty will disappear. Texas Tech can't sit on their hands if they know OU and Texas are leaving. |
|
|
|
Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 22, 2021 7:08:08 GMT -5
Haha. Will be interesting to see how that works if it comes to fruition. Also will be interesting to see how the other dominoes fall.
|
|
|
|
Post by NCBulldawg on Jul 22, 2021 7:10:36 GMT -5
I will go on record as I hate this idea. Enough for now.
|
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 7:12:22 GMT -5
Haha. Will be interesting to see how that works if it comes to fruition. Also will be interesting to see how the other dominoes fall. Yeah, conference realignment is crazy fun to watch. I've checked with the SEC head office and they don't give a shit what I think, so it's just fun to watch. |
|
|
|
Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 7:14:00 GMT -5
That bad blood/obstacles don’t really matter. From an OU or UT perspective, the long term stability and money of the SEC would outweigh any short term concerns. If the SEC goes to 16 teams, I’d like to see 4 pods of 4 teams with a 9 game schedule. The pods would be matched against each other like A vs A (3 games) A vs B (4 games), B vs B, C vs C, C vs D, D vs D and leaves 2 slots which would accommodate the historical rivalries. Then two pods could be grouped and the top team from each group goes to the CCG. Hopefully I thought that through enough mathematically. This would also open up the SEC to having 3 to 4 teams in contention for playoff spots. We will call it the Alabama back door method. Pods might solve the SEC's biggest problem: One team (Bama) is a roadblock for half of the conference. |
|
|
|
Post by athens on Jul 22, 2021 8:16:31 GMT -5
That bad blood/obstacles don’t really matter. From an OU or UT perspective, the long term stability and money of the SEC would outweigh any short term concerns. If the SEC goes to 16 teams, I’d like to see 4 pods of 4 teams with a 9 game schedule. The pods would be matched against each other like A vs A (3 games) A vs B (4 games), B vs B, C vs C, C vs D, D vs D and leaves 2 slots which would accommodate the historical rivalries. Then two pods could be grouped and the top team from each group goes to the CCG. Hopefully I thought that through enough mathematically. This would also open up the SEC to having 3 to 4 teams in contention for playoff spots. We will call it the Alabama back door method. Pods might solve the SEC's biggest problem: One team (Bama) is a roadblock for half of the conference. They have been quite the roadblock for the other half as well  |
|
