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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 8:25:02 GMT -5
But maybe, just maybe this could end this silly 12 team playoff. Silver lining?
SEC goes to 16. PAC 12 picks up damaged goods in Big 12 or some of them and say adds a BYU and Boise. ND relents and joins Big 10. UCF and USF join ACC.
mid Dec Conference title games
Jan 1 Rose Bowl (Big Ten-PAC 12) Sugar Bowl (SEC-ACC)
Jan 15 College Super Bowl rotating stadiums
Sanity semi returns. Amen brother.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 8:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by BTB07 on Jul 22, 2021 8:51:13 GMT -5
Is there anything more on brand for the Big 12 than after the story about the horns down symbol being penalized as Oklahoma and Texas explore through back channels to leave the conference?
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 9:19:24 GMT -5
I hear no more mocking of Horns Down and Gator Chomp starting when the new guys join.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jul 22, 2021 9:20:19 GMT -5
Other than creating the perception of a Super Conference, what does adding OK & UT do for the SEC?
I don't like the idea. If the SEC were to expand, I think the ACC is more in line with logistical and regional sense. Say, Fla State and one other team.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 9:35:57 GMT -5
One other positive I guess. Texas-A&M, Auburn-Florida, Bama-Tennessee, Texas-OU, Arkansas-Texas, Auburn-Tennessee, Georgia-Auburn would be preserved or restarted. The only casualty seems to be LSU-Florida and it sounds like neither fan base really cares about that one. Go to 9 conference games, 2 power 5 non conference games and one cupcake.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 9:37:34 GMT -5
Other than creating the perception of a Super Conference, what does adding OK & UT do for the SEC? I don't like the idea. If the SEC were to expand, I think the ACC is more in line with logistical and regional sense. Say, Fla State and one other team. Not crazy about it either, but it sure seems to have legs. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 10:55:07 GMT -5
........and coming out of left field....... The Big10...
You watch.... The Big10 might just shake things up. Offer UT big money..... OU takes OKstate...
TAMU wins, UT wins, Big10 wins (keeps academic standards)..... Then that puts pressure on Norte Dame.
IF Notre Dame stays and Joins ACC, the ACC takes WV... puts them at 16.
Big 10 Picks up ISU/KU...... or get crazy and grab another Texas school (not TTU). OR ND gose with TX, screws the ACC and the ACC has to pic up WV and say... UCF..
The Big10 is the one that could really blow this thing up.... with LHN, TAMU saying no, etc... could be in play
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Post by RHVSamford Bulldog on Jul 22, 2021 11:09:29 GMT -5
........and coming out of left field....... The Big10... You watch.... The Big10 might just shake things up. Offer UT big money..... OU takes OKstate... TAMU wins, UT wins, Big10 wins (keeps academic standards)..... Then that puts pressure on Norte Dame. IF Notre Dame stays and Joins ACC, the ACC takes WV... puts them at 16. Big 10 Picks up ISU/KU...... or get crazy and grab another Texas school (not TTU). OR ND gose with TX, screws the ACC and the ACC has to pic up WV and say... UCF.. The Big10 is the one that could really blow this thing up.... with LHN, TAMU saying no, etc... could be in play OU and toOSU keeps academic standards for Big11? |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 11:10:32 GMT -5
Except Barnhart now reporting that SEC ADs are 14-0 in favor. IF TRUE, seems like something paid off A&M and Mizzou to acquiesce.
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 11:12:31 GMT -5
........and coming out of left field....... The Big10... You watch.... The Big10 might just shake things up. Offer UT big money..... OU takes OKstate to the SEC TAMU wins, UT wins, Big10 wins (keeps academic standards)..... Then that puts pressure on Norte Dame. IF Notre Dame stays and Joins ACC, the ACC takes WV... puts them at 16. Big 10 Picks up ISU/KU...... or get crazy and grab another Texas school (not TTU). OR ND gose with TX, screws the ACC and the ACC has to pic up WV and say... UCF.. The Big10 is the one that could really blow this thing up.... with LHN, TAMU saying no, etc... could be in play OU and toOSU keeps academic standards for Big11? my bad... to the sec.. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 11:24:16 GMT -5
The sEC would make HUGE on a TAMU/UT game again.... Not to mention UT/Ark... UT/LSU..... OU/Missouri......
ESPN would cut a check to drop the LHN, Texas would cut a check to the Big12 for leaving... still pocket $40m...
OK state will be one as long as OU signs the OOC contract...
the SEC would have 7 division games in each team.... If they simply moved Bama and Auburn to the East they could keep all the conference rival games.... minus LSU/Bama... But the Iron bowl is bigger. LSU would get UT and OU so they would be ok.
ISU is going to be in serious trouble since they don't play baseball.... and Iowa would fight them getting into the Big10. The Pac would want them to play everything... Kansas has Basketball, but thats it. KSU is mediocre in all sports... Ok State and TTU are not small private schools like TCU and Baylor... I could see the Pac going after HOUSTON before one of those schools.... If you get OK State, TTU, Houston, and KSU you cover all your areas real.... Sub TCU for KSU and you get the Dallas market...
Pac 12 will be looking this way in order to get into the Central TIME ZONE and Texas recruiting.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 11:43:45 GMT -5
I don't think PAC 12 would have the remotest interest in Houston. They do care about academics and I am not sure Houston has any.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 22, 2021 11:57:34 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come.
I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 12:11:05 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come. I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players. Hey, at least you don't remember Suwanee being in the SEC.  |
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 22, 2021 13:35:13 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come. I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players. Hey, at least you don't remember Suwanee being in the SEC. He didn’t say that he wasn’t around for that. Just didn’t include that in his post. 🤣 |
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 14:06:25 GMT -5
Barnhart's best reporting days are behind him, but he has the best sources inside the SEC office. He's almost part of their PR department.
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Post by Elapid on Jul 22, 2021 14:13:41 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come. I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players. This might be our only option to watch spirited games every week. The NCAA is failing into a NFL type game. |
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Post by Elapid on Jul 22, 2021 14:16:23 GMT -5
]With 16 team conference the OOC schedule will take less importance, the in conference schedule will be most of the season.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 22, 2021 14:25:28 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come. I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players. Hey, at least you don't remember Suwanee being in the SEC. Not quite that old - but I do remember the old leather helmets. We wore those in my freshman year in high school. The good old days. |
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jul 22, 2021 15:27:24 GMT -5
God bless ya, Geaux!  |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 15:57:13 GMT -5
Dave Wilson
ESPN Staff Writer
If Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC, it would break a long-standing "gentlemen's agreement" between SEC schools that gives conference members "absolute veto power" over the addition of another school from their state, according to a former Texas A&M official.
R. Bowen Loftin, who helped steer the Aggies into the SEC in 2011 while serving as A&M's president, said the oft-discussed unwritten rule was a "specific conversation" during expansion talks in 2010-11 when he was involved. Loftin also served as chancellor at Missouri from 2014-15 after the Tigers made the move to the SEC.
"There's this understanding among the membership -- at least it was 10 years ago -- that you don't admit a school from the same state as a member school unless that member school's OK with it," Loftin told ESPN.com on Thursday. "We talked about it from time to time among ourselves, that this was the way it was going to be, that if we had another school in Texas wanting to enter the SEC, Texas A&M would have veto power."
Loftin said the discussions happened while the late Mike Slive was commissioner. Loftin, who is retired and no longer involved in the discussions at A&M or Missouri, said he believes that current commissioner Greg Sankey, who was Slive's deputy before taking over as commissioner in 2015, "has a really good long-range sense of the SEC."
An SEC spokesman said the league had no comment on Loftin's comments on Thursday.
Three states -- Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee -- have two SEC schools each, but those date to the formation of the conference. In 1990, the league added Arkansas and South Carolina in states that did not have another SEC team.
Loftin said the agreement prevented expansion discussion involving teams like Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech and Miami, even when the league was targeting the ACC if 16-team superconferences came to pass in the last round of realignment.
"We discussed those specific possibilities," Loftin said. "Florida State was never in the conversation, for obvious reasons. It was clear that they would not be admittable unless Florida wanted them included, and who could imagine that?"
Loftin said most expansion discussion centered on schools like North Carolina, NC State, Virginia or Virginia Tech, all schools in a state with no SEC members.
"I can tell you that, during my time in the SEC from two different schools, that was the understanding we had," Loftin said. "It was unwritten. There's no specific rule you can point to. You can point to the bylaws, talk about having a three-quarters majority to admit a new school, which means four schools could stop it from happening legally and officially. But beyond that, there was this understanding."
Loftin said he and members of the A&M board of regents specifically discussed Texas' membership prospects during expansion talks with Slive, who was commissioner at the time. Slive died in 2018.
"I can recall a meeting with the commissioner and a few of our regents that were with me, [Texas] came up in the conversation," Loftin said. "Mike assured us that they got what they wanted in Texas A&M because they got the Texas market, and they got a school which was very compatible with SEC schools."
Current Texas A&M athletic director Ross Bjork said Thursday that he will be "diligent in our approach to protect Texas A&M. We want to be the only SEC program in the state of Texas. There's a reason why Texas A&M left the Big 12 -- to be standalone, to have our own identity."
The Aggies and Longhorns obviously don't have a lot of love for each other over the past 125 years or so, but particularly since their breakup when A&M left the Big 12.
"They left," former Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told the Daily Texan in 2013. "They're the ones that decided not to play us. We get to decide when we play again."
Loftin said he'd be surprised if that was in the SEC.
"There would be a lot of anger on the part of the Aggie community," he said. "It certainly is ironic -- and that's a very mild word for it -- after all of the verbiage directed against us trying to discourage us from [going to the SEC], and then beating on us after we did it, that really is interesting to have that school come back and say, 'Oh, we want to join you now.'
And he found Texas' interest to be an about-face, particularly after discussing realignment possibilities with his counterpart in Austin, Texas president Bill Powers, who died in 2019.
"They have a very high opinion of themselves -- which is not surprising -- but not always justified. And that drives a lot of thinking there," Loftin said. "Bill Powers was very clear to me that they felt much more akin to the schools in the Big Ten and on the West Coast. He was very dismissive of the SEC, because he felt academically, it was an inferior conference. He's no longer around, I understand that. But the fit, culturally, of A&M and the SEC is very good. The fit of Texas is not. That's just plain and simple."
Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz, a relative newcomer to league drama in his second year as the Tigers' head coach, joked Thursday at SEC media day about the rumored interest of Texas and Oklahoma.
"We're the best league in college football and everybody wants to play there, and now you've got two iconic brands that want to join too," he said. "It's an exclusive club and not everybody gets in, so good luck. Especially if A&M has anything to do with it."
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 15:59:49 GMT -5
I don't know if there is anything to this, but I have always heard that Georgia and Florida both desired to keep Georgia Tech from re-joining and FSU from joining the SEC. That might be more myth than anything and even if not, times have changed.
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 16:30:12 GMT -5
I remember the days of Georgia Tech and Tulane being members of the SEC. Lot of shitzzzz has happened in my lifetime. And more to come. I am about to go back to going to high school games. Maybe the skill level is lower than college or the pros, but not the enthusiasm. College athletics with this NIL in place - it will not be long before they act more and more like the pros. And what is to prevent payments to high school players. You think the SEC would ever kick Ark and Missouri out? in place of OU and Tex? |
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 16:44:18 GMT -5
I don't know if there is anything to this, but I have always heard that Georgia and Florida both desired to keep Georgia Tech from re-joining and FSU from joining the SEC. That might be more myth than anything and even if not, times have changed. TAMU does not want Texas in the SEC. period. Yes there would be a great UT/TAMU yearly game agin, but TAMU was on the big losing end of that historically and want to maintain the recruiting advantage they would lose directly following a UT join. I still think that the Big10 is going to offer UT and likely OU.... although i don't think OU has the academics to get in and keep with Big1-0 standards. OU does not want to go anywhere but the SEC..... And i don't thin the SEC would tae OU and another team.... like Okstate.... But if the SEC went against TAMU and took Texas, it would be the ultimate slap in the face of the little brother..... TAMU would get put back in its place of #2 in the conference and UT would come in having established its power over TAMU simply by getting in. But at 16 teams.... some major issues would come up.. I wonder if they would do the "Pod" thing?
TAMU, UT, OU, Missouri.
LSU, Ark, Miss, MSU
Alabama, TN, Auburn, Vandy
UF, UGA, UK, SC
Or some variations... Each "pod" rotates every 2 years..... thats 3 yearly rivals, 4 cross pod, and 1 from each other pod on rotation... gives 9 Conference games...
would be bad ass. |
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jul 22, 2021 16:58:01 GMT -5
Here ya go, David, a visual of your post...  |
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Post by bilogle on Jul 22, 2021 17:09:26 GMT -5
I don't think PAC 12 would have the remotest interest in Houston. They do care about academics and I am not sure Houston has any. does TUTU? |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 17:39:23 GMT -5
By Seth Emerson 4h ago 120
ATHENS, Ga. — Normally the news that two of the biggest names in college sports want to be a member of your league produces feelings of excitement, pride and urgency: Get this done quickly. And yet in the immediate aftermath of hearing that Texas and Oklahoma had reached out to the SEC about joining the conference, the sense in many quarters was more mixed.
Ambivalence, to quote one longtime Georgia booster, who was more confused than anything on what he should think.
There was outright hostility, based on social media and message boards. Not the dominant view, but enough to show that many will need convincing.
And in more than a few quarters another reaction: Leeriness about Texas, a school used to having its way in the Big 12, and is now apparently proposing to join a Southeastern Conference that for all its powers and egos has gotten along remarkably well.
Look, if Texas and Oklahoma ultimately do come to the SEC and say they want to join, then the SEC has to do it. It would be too much of a financial boon to turn down, it would figure to make the conference even more dominant — not just in football — and geographically both are fits. If the SEC were ever going to expand again, these would be the top two targets. And if college sports is going to four super-leagues, as many have theorized for a long time, then the SEC can’t look back and say it let the two biggest fish get away.
The SEC probably has to do this.
But people in the league don’t have to be excited about it.
The SEC is already the best football conference, and was already well-positioned for the 12-team Playoff era. This could make it even better positioned … or it could cut the other way. Competitively, there’s a danger in concentrating too many great programs in the same league. Your second-tier programs go from contending for that third or fourth Playoff spot to potentially being pushed down to fifth or sixth. Would you rather be one of those teams going 8-4 and defending your strength of schedule, or be 10-2 and making that argument?
Better games? Georgia already has home-and-homes with Texas and Oklahoma, and other programs can do it. But now more SEC programs will have them on the schedule, especially if you make smart decisions about divisions. If this is how you fix the SEC’s current scheduling issue, then it’s a good thing. Still, a lot of people pushing this to happen are national observers who love the idea of watching LSU play Oklahoma as a conference game, rather than a Sun Belt team, not realizing that many LSU and Oklahoma fans kinda like those lower-profile games because they can get tickets.
The money? SEC schools aren’t exactly suffering under the current arrangement, even after the pandemic, and those Disney dollars are coming in 2024 with or without Texas and Oklahoma. What will more money do, allow Alabama to build a few more waterfalls in its locker room?
But in this new age of college sports, where NIL could lead to more reforms, it never hurts to have more money, just in case.
There’s going to be a European Super League comparison, the aborted attempt by the region’s biggest clubs to break off from their domestic leagues. The difference here is the little guys aren’t being left behind. Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky and the Mississippi schools remain part of it. But it also becomes that much harder for them to make that step as a program. You’re essentially telling them to sacrifice hope for money.
But then there’s the Texas issue.
The SEC, for all the on-field dominance by Alabama, is remarkably democratic. Nick Saban lost battles over signing limits in 2011 and a grad transfer (Maurice Smith) in 2016. For all the fan conspiracy theories, he does not dictate anything to the league office. Revenue is evenly divided among all 14 schools, Florida and LSU are getting the same check as Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. One would assume Texas would come in accepting that, and fold its Longhorn Network into the SEC Network — same Disney overlords, so no problem there — but what about the other stuff? Can the Longhorns — and their many, many boosters — play well with others? Are those boosters, who didn’t shine themselves in glory with the “Eyes of Texas” story, going to be a headache? Does the Texas administration understand that it is just another member, just another vote?
The culture within the SEC has for years been a good one — disagreements, yes, but cooperative and moving in the same direction. Would adding Texas disrupt that dynamic?
Expansion would also stretch out what’s already a big conference. Georgia has never played a football game at Texas A&M, which has also yet to visit Kentucky, and many teams only play each other twice a decade. Now you’d be exacerbating that, assuming the SEC keeps two divisions, which would essentially create two different leagues, East and West.
That’s why going to four divisions — or four pods that aren’t officially divisions — would be the best way to make it work. You’d be hyper-local with about half your schedule (three against your pods, one or two other permanent non-division games), then rotate the other three or four so everyone could play each other often enough to feel like they’re in the same league.
Ten years ago when the SEC added Texas A&M, there was legitimate excitement in all quarters of the conference. And when Missouri was added a month later there was an understanding that they needed an even number.
This would be a more seismic pair of moves. They would be great financially for the conference, which is why it would ultimately have to do it. If it’s announced tomorrow morning that Texas and Oklahoma are officially joining the SEC, most in the league will nod understandably, swallow any reservations and get ready for the even bigger and even better SEC.
But if it was announced that a deal fell through, that it wasn’t happening, one suspects that many would have another reaction.
Relief.
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 18:26:46 GMT -5
Let's be honest here. Bat shit crazy boosters is kind of a SEC thing.
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 22, 2021 18:27:37 GMT -5
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