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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 19:10:58 GMT -5
I don't think PAC 12 would have the remotest interest in Houston. They do care about academics and I am not sure Houston has any. does TUTU? Troll alert. We get it.... you don’t want Big12 teams to push further down in obscurity in the conference. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 22, 2021 19:12:15 GMT -5
So lets say they do come to the SEC. Understand that it cannot happen until 2024 or 2025 or is that wrong? And if it does not happen til then, I can imagine it will be a real interesting time for the two to spend another 3 or 4 years playing the remaining Big 12 teams.
I heard one thing today about OU. Apparently they were extremely furious about the Nebraska game being an 11am kickoff. FOX failed to return their calls. Obviously that is not the only thing or probably even a major thing. But dissatisfaction with the league's prime television carrier ain't a little thing.
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Post by MtnTiger on Jul 22, 2021 19:53:34 GMT -5
So lets say they do come to the SEC. Understand that it cannot happen until 2024 or 2025 or is that wrong? And if it does not happen til then, I can imagine it will be a real interesting time for the two to spend another 3 or 4 years playing the remaining Big 12 teams. I heard one thing today about OU. Apparently they were extremely furious about the Nebraska game being an 11am kickoff. FOX failed to return their calls. Obviously that is not the only thing or probably even a major thing. But dissatisfaction with the league's prime television carrier ain't a little thing. Everything is negotiable. Everything. If the powers that be want to make this happen before 2025 it can be done. |
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Post by NCBulldawg on Jul 22, 2021 20:05:04 GMT -5
So lets say they do come to the SEC. Understand that it cannot happen until 2024 or 2025 or is that wrong? And if it does not happen til then, I can imagine it will be a real interesting time for the two to spend another 3 or 4 years playing the remaining Big 12 teams. I heard one thing today about OU. Apparently they were extremely furious about the Nebraska game being an 11am kickoff. FOX failed to return their calls. Obviously that is not the only thing or probably even a major thing. But dissatisfaction with the league's prime television carrier ain't a little thing. Everything is negotiable. Everything. If the powers that be want to make this happen before 2025 it can be done. It is called money and is the only driving factor on this soon to be runaway train. And then when the train comes to the end of the tracks, those which benefited will enjoy life all "fat and happy", while many will wonder what in the hell happened to the game we so loved. But, hey, nothing remains the exact same, it evolves. Until the tracks run out... Go Dawgs! F' Florida! Bama, too!!!  |
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Post by bilogle on Jul 22, 2021 21:05:38 GMT -5
Troll alert. We get it.... you don’t want Big12 teams to push further down in obscurity in the conference. simple question only... what is tutu's academic standing? yes, I am afraid tutu would push the PAC further down |
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Post by ghost on Jul 22, 2021 21:13:46 GMT -5
Troll alert. We get it.... you don’t want Big12 teams to push further down in obscurity in the conference. simple question only... what is tutu's academic standing? yes, I am afraid tutu would push the PAC further down lol.... awww..... poor guy.... sucks realizing Texas Tech has a better chance of getting to the Pac12 CCG before Washington.... 😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by bilogle on Jul 22, 2021 22:02:38 GMT -5
simple question only... what is tutu's academic standing? yes, I am afraid tutu would push the PAC further down lol.... awww..... poor guy.... sucks realizing Texas Tech has a better chance of getting to the Pac12 CCG before Washington.... 😂😂😂😂😂 answer the question and TUTU will never win a conference championship, even if relegated to the Mountain West |
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Post by ghost on Jul 23, 2021 3:32:31 GMT -5
lol.... awww..... poor guy.... sucks realizing Texas Tech has a better chance of getting to the Pac12 CCG before Washington.... 😂😂😂😂😂 answer the question and TUTU will never win a conference championship, even if relegated to the Mountain West Come on Sir Trolls a lot...... who saw Missouri winning the SEC East so early.... ? I dont kniw where ttu ranks. They are not as low as some in the PAC... they are a Tier 1 research university.... and one of the tops in many fields. But im proud of you, using obscure stats and numbers to try and make a point. |
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Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 23, 2021 6:32:02 GMT -5
Was thinking a lot about this last night: 1. Is Texas putting on this whole show to use as leverage in getting a bigger piece of the pie in the B12? 2. If not, would ESPN throw a bunch of money at the SEC to make this happen because it would gut the inventory of a competitor (Fox)? 3. Is Texas really prepared to become a smaller fish in a larger pond?
I’ll be interested to see what happens, but if Texas and OU stay radio silence I think the move to the SEC is a very real possibility but if we start to hear leaks from their side it becomes obvious that it’s a leverage play.
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 23, 2021 7:18:47 GMT -5
Was thinking a lot about this last night: 1. Is Texas putting on this whole show to use as leverage in getting a bigger piece of the pie in the B12? 2. If not, would ESPN throw a bunch of money at the SEC to make this happen because it would gut the inventory of a competitor (Fox)? 3. Is Texas really prepared to become a smaller fish in a larger pond? I’ll be interested to see what happens, but if Texas and OU stay radio silence I think the move to the SEC is a very real possibility but if we start to hear leaks from their side it becomes obvious that it’s a leverage play. ESPN would definitely love this play for sure. Given Fox has ties to the B1G if doesn’t completely gut them but your point remains as the flagship programs of their second most important contract would be gone and who knows what happens to that conference. I agree that the more this has gone on and OU/UT remain silent that it seems there might be something to it as crazy as it seems. |
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Post by bilogle on Jul 23, 2021 7:37:07 GMT -5
answer the question and TUTU will never win a conference championship, even if relegated to the Mountain West Come on Sir Trolls a lot...... who saw Missouri winning the SEC East so early.... ? I dont kniw where ttu ranks. They are not as low as some in the PAC... they are a Tier 1 research university.... and one of the tops in many fields. But im proud of you, using obscure stats and numbers to try and make a point. what stats did I use? I asked you a simple (so you could understand it) question, and you call me a troll... a troll is someone who continually posts opinions and wishes as fact, puts out conspiracy theories all the time and gets all of his news from far right tinfoil hat websites,,, i.e. you |
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Post by BTB07 on Jul 23, 2021 8:24:19 GMT -5
Just read a great analogy about this situation. It is like a shopping mall that lost the two big anchor stores (department stores) and the rest of the shops are trying to figure out how to stay open.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jul 23, 2021 8:44:38 GMT -5
Just read a great analogy about this situation. It is like a shopping mall that lost the two big anchor stores (department stores) and the rest of the shops are trying to figure out how to stay open. IMO, this is a cry for a bailout by Texas. |
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Post by BTB07 on Jul 23, 2021 8:57:00 GMT -5
Just read a great analogy about this situation. It is like a shopping mall that lost the two big anchor stores (department stores) and the rest of the shops are trying to figure out how to stay open. IMO, this is a cry for a bailout by Texas. I agree. They haven’t been great in a while and this is a way for people to talk about how great and valuable Texas is as a brand. It makes them feel relevant and seems like a way to try and get more money out of their current deal. If they can’t win the big 12 they aren’t going to go dominate in the SEC West. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:08:00 GMT -5
![]() David Wunderlich @year2 Greg Sankey is ice cold, man. He was working on this for half a year while keeping his member school with the most at stake in the dark and working with the Big 12 commish on the new playoff proposal. 9:22 AM · Jul 23, 2021·Tweetbot for iΟS Pete Thamel @petethamel Sources: The ACC and other leagues have made inquiries — through back channels — to Oklahoma and Texas. The schools are still expected to start the process of joining the SEC next week. The Texas and OU backchannel communication to the SEC has been going on for more than a year. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:10:03 GMT -5
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Prominent Big 12 source tells the American-Statesman the Texas-OU move to the SEC is almost done. "They've been working on this for a minimum of 6 months, and the A&M leadership was left out of discussions and wasn't told about it." Move could become official in a week.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 23, 2021 9:12:07 GMT -5
It makes you appreciate how the SEC handles it’s business if these reports are true. No drama, (until TAMU found out and leaked it) just results. The organization is good at keeping people aligned and people quiet.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:15:16 GMT -5
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Thu, July 22, 2021, 3:01 PM·12 min read
CHARLOTTE, N.C. – In the wake of the bombshell news drop that Texas and Oklahoma are exploring joining the SEC, the billion-dollar college sports industry is bracing for the potential fallout.
Interviews with athletics directors, politicians and industry sources reveal myriad ramifications from such a move. From the political fallout in the Midwest to the massive ripples in television with three major conferences seeking new deals to NCAA governance ramifications, it’s not an overstatement to say that the potential of Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC will shape the next generation of college athletics.
“I think it’s going to happen, and it’s the beginning of a lot of dominoes,” said a high-ranking college official.
One industry source predicted that this could be remembered as a seminal moment, much like the Supreme Court case in 1984 that opened up free market television for college football by breaking it away from the NCAA.
“When you look back on the impact of realignment a decade ago, it really was marginal,” said another high-ranking college official. “This is different. It impacts how college athletics is going to be governed and what college athletics is going to be.”
What’s next and what’s the fallout? We examine all the major issues.
When could Oklahoma, Texas jump to SEC happen?
Yahoo Sports got different answers from different people on this issue. The Big 12's current television contract ends after the 2024 football season. It’s highly unlikely Texas and Oklahoma would want to slog through four seasons, as it’s a miserable experience for everyone when teams leave leagues.
A break-up like this is much like a divorce – nasty, expensive and endlessly complicated. Big 12 rules say that for a school to leave, the buyout is two years of television revenue. That would mean nearly $150 million combined for both schools. Do they pay that or broker a deal? Expect an agreement of some kind, as SEC commissioner Greg Sankey’s comment on focusing on the 2021 season has been interpreted that this could happen soon after that. As usual, the lawyers will be the big winners.
The timeline for Texas and Oklahoma to inform the Big 12 of their intentions could be as soon as a week from now. The longer things linger, the more obstacles could get in the way.
LAWRENCE, KS - OCTOBER 31: A view of the Big 12 logo before a football game between the Iowa State Cyclones and Kansas Jayhawks on October 31, 2020 at Memorial Stadium in Lawrence, KS. (Photo by Scott Winters/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
The Big 12 is in danger of losing two of its football juggernauts. (Photo by Scott Winters/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
What's the biggest obstacle for OU, UT to leave the Big 12?
As usual in realignment, it’s politics.
Texas A&M’s best hope for blocking the SEC is the political savvy of Chancellor John Sharp. The overt media leak is widely believed to have come from Texas A&M as the first mechanism to stop this move from happening. Sharp’s focus then went immediately to rallying his SEC allies. Could he convince Arkansas, LSU, Missouri or others to join him? He needs three more “no” votes, and the early feel around the SEC was that 13 of the 14 schools were on board with the move.
“He’s got his political machine in motion,” said one industry source of Sharp.
The politics at the University of Texas center on Kevin Eltife, the chairman of the board of regents. Eltife is politically wired around the state and has been the key figure behind the scenes in maneuvering this. Who has the political muscle: Sharp in the SEC or Eltife in the state? We should know in the near future.
Oklahoma politics are different. Texas shouldn’t have the same problem in the legislature that Oklahoma could have. In the last round of realignment, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were a package deal. This time, longtime Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder and president Burns Hargis are gone. Oklahoma State has a new president, Kayse Shrum, and a new AD, Chad Weiberg. They lack the clout of their predecessors, as Hargis brought a political background. The possibility of Oklahoma politics getting in the way of this has quieted since the story broke.
What's next for the Big 12?
The league is beginning to discuss contingencies Thursday, as it’s obvious that this would be a devastating blow.
Expect the Big 12 to be aggressive in adding schools. It'll knock on doors at Arizona and Arizona State. Perhaps it'll try and lure Colorado back and pry Utah. The Pac-12 is weak now, but the core of USC, Oregon, UCLA and Washington are all more attractive to be aligned with than any of the Big 12 schools.
From there, the Big 12 will decide how big it wants to get. It has to decide whether to add two, four or six schools. Four seems like the most reasonable number, with Cincinnati, UCF, USF, BYU and Boise State the most likely candidates from outside the state of Texas. The potential addition of Houston and SMU becomes complicated, as Baylor, TCU and Texas Tech wouldn’t have much interest in more in-state competition.
Remember, it’s streaming subscriptions, not cable boxes, that matter most. BYU would appear to have the best option for that, with its national following. But BYU is always complicated, which prevented the Big 12 from adding it in 2016 when the Cougars' complicated LGBTQ history became a factor.
UCF and USF have great markets, but would the Big 12 want two Florida footholds? Cincinnati is a preseason Top 10 team that has been working hard behind the scenes to build for this moment. It also brings a big market and fertile recruiting area.
This is all sub-optimal for the American Athletic Conference, as it'll be a familiar trickle-down. In a similar food chain fallout that followed the ACC cannibalizing the Big East a decade ago, the Big 12 will go after the most attractive AAC candidates. The AAC will do its best to hold on to its top programs but a reconstructed Big 12 without Texas and Oklahoma should offer a more attractive financial landing spot than the current AAC.
Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby is one of the most respected leaders in the space. But it’d be a surprise if Bowlsby, 69, is around for more than a few years. One thing that could help the Big 12 recalibrate is that the Pac-12, ACC and Big Ten wouldn’t have much interest in any of the remaining schools. Oklahoma State isn’t a cultural fit anywhere, Kansas football is an abomination thanks to Les Miles and Jeff Long, and TCU is in an attractive market but lacks national cache. Baylor is hurt by its market.
What's next for college athletics?
This is where things get really interesting. Conference commissioners Kevin Warren of the Big Ten, Jim Phillips of the ACC and George Kliavkoff of the Pac-12 all are about to endure a baptism by blowtorch.
All are new enough to their jobs where they haven’t done a college sports television contract. The Big Ten’s contract runs through 2022-23. The Pac-12’s goes through 2023-24. The ACC is buried by the untenable deal with ESPN that keeps it frozen in what’s already a second-tier deal until 2036.
This impacts all of those leagues in significant ways. ESPN is going all in on the SEC, as it's expected to pay enough to get Oklahoma and Texas whole with the rest of the SEC, which is north of $60 million annually after 2023. That eats up money, inventory and the best television time slots for the SEC. The SEC wouldn’t be adding this without the extra $120 million a year for OU and Texas, and it’s reasonable to think there’d have to be a bit more sweetener to help the other SEC schools feel good.
“What happens if all of a sudden ESPN isn’t a bidder and Fox has less competition,” said an industry source. “The ripple effects are ... PHEW!”
The ACC is in a difficult spot because it ate a bad deal from ESPN to get a linear network. Now it is frozen for two decades in an antiquated agreement, as the ACC gives schools more than $32 million per year.
Phillips needs to do something dynamic to blow up that deal and get back to the bargaining table. Those options are limited, and ESPN isn’t going to be eager to give up a sweetheart deal on its end.
The loss of Texas as an option is a huge blow to the ACC’s ambitions, as multiple sources indicated that the ACC was caught by surprise Wednesday. The ACC’s other big play was Notre Dame, but the league failed to use any leverage it had on Notre Dame as a quasi-member the past few years. The new College Football Playoff proposal doubles as a security blanket for Notre Dame’s independence, which means little incentive for it to find a league home. Especially with its own lucrative TV deal coming.
The best remaining option for the ACC will be some type of scheduling arrangement or merger with the Pac-12. And that hints at another potential ripple from this move – is this going to be remembered as the pivot point toward super conferences?
There has long been a notion in college athletics that the Big Ten and SEC were pulling away from all the other leagues because of the financial success of their networks and the corresponding success on the field. Now, the Big Ten will go to market without the adrenaline jolt that the SEC got in its deal. The only corresponding move the Big Ten could make would be a play for Notre Dame, but that remains unlikely because of how secure Notre Dame’s future is in the new football playoff.
The issue for the Big Ten would be that Ohio State is isolated as the league's power. Could the Big Ten leverage the potential of its next deal with a move to answer, adding Virginia, Georgia Tech, Florida State, North Carolina and Clemson to cover the league’s Eastern flank and fortify the Interstate 95 corridor? There will be pressure on Warren to be bold. But the ACC is protected by a grant of rights through the length of its TV deal.
“It’s about combining forces now,” said a high-ranking college official. “Who teams up with who? Do we end up with four leagues? Do we end up with three? Or do we go to a 32-team NFL model. This is going to be earth-shattering.”
Kliavkoff joked on Twitter about his active first month as commissioner getting more interesting. The Pac-12 is last in line to go to market, and there’s a feeling that it needs to do something creative. There’s still great value in the West Coast, even if the football has been subpar for the past five years. But this move, the Big Ten deal and an upcoming deal for Notre Dame potentially put the Pac-12 in a position of weakness thanks to a lack of suitors.
The ripples of this potential SEC deal will be felt from coast to coast. And it’s not good news for any of the other leagues because of how much ESPN oxygen this sucks up. As one industry source put it: “The current schools in the SEC wouldn’t agree to this if all of a sudden their games are relegated to ESPNU. It’s not just money, it’s exposure.”
MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA - APRIL 04: President of the National Collegiate Athletic Association Mark Emmert speaks to the media ahead of the Men's Final Four at U.S. Bank Stadium on April 04, 2019 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. (Photo by Brett Wilhelm/NCAA Photos via Getty Images )
NCAA president Mark Emmert is in scramble mode after losing a significant Supreme Court case on amateurism rules. (Photo by Brett Wilhelm/NCAA Photos via Getty Images )
What does this mean for the NCAA?
As much as this move is a football flex, the reality is that it’s also a power move by SEC commissioner Greg Sankey that will help dictate what the next iteration of government structure looks like in college athletics.
The NCAA has been weakened to the point where president Mark Emmert is publicly strategizing around the NCAA’s irrelevance. How much say do the conferences have in the future? Well, Sankey is the ultimate policy and process wonk. He couldn’t have thought through this without a full understanding of how this would help the SEC wrestle some of the decision-making under its own umbrella. The stronger the SEC gets, the more likely it is to envision some type of break from the NCAA. Sankey has been frustrated with Emmert and the NCAA for years, and that all plays into this type of move.
Sankey was already the most powerful person in college sports. This move would only amplify that, and the SEC would have an even a bigger voice in figuring out how the next generation of college sports are governed. Emmert’s general weakness as a leader began revealing itself around realignment a decade ago, as the NCAA has no control over what happens.
The ultimate conference power grab would only lead to more power in the conference offices, as the SEC would become, in many ways, the axis of college athletics.
Does this change the college football playoff?
It’s not expected to change the 12-team playoff model, but we may see the first big reverberation from the expanded field. The attraction of the SEC with a four-team playoff would mean a much more difficult path to the CFP.
With a 12-team model and the multitude of opportunities for marquee wins, it’s likely that the SEC became a lot more attractive to Texas and Oklahoma. The Big 12 would offer an easier path for both, but there’s still a path available in the SEC with CFP expansion.
What about basketball?
This is not a good day for Bill Self and Scott Drew. Those two national championship-winning coaches should be worried. As we’ve been reminded in the past, college basketball gets little consideration in the grand scheme of realignment.
The Big 12 in some reinvented form would still be a good basketball league. But this is an example that the fortunes of basketball programs, even elite ones, are an afterthought in the big picture. The billions of football money dictates these decisions.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:17:40 GMT -5
It makes you appreciate how the SEC handles it’s business if these reports are true. No drama, (until TAMU found out and leaked it) just results. The organization is good at keeping people aligned and people quiet. Yeah, and A&M is really left with no options. Don't blame them for not being happy about it, but they are going to have to sit and live with it. They ain't going to the PAC 12 or Big 10 and the only independent that is going to survive is ND. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:24:43 GMT -5
ROSS DELLENGER10 HOURS AGO
Less than a week ago, amid the glitz and glamour of AT&T Stadium, Big 12 media days were a jovial event.
Masks were mostly eschewed. Handshakes were encouraged. Smiles, laughs and even hugs were abound. Texas coach Steve Sarkisian and Oklahoma coach Lincoln Riley milled about with media members, and commissioner Bob Bowlsby celebrated the cohesion of his conference—they stuck together during a season amid a pandemic, battled the elements and came out even stronger.
Or so he thought.
“A motivation for conference expansion or realignment,” he said last Wednesday, “it’s gone, or just not there at this point in time.”
One week later, Big 12 leaders find themselves attempting to preserve the league amid stunning news that Texas and Oklahoma are on the verge of exiting the conference. Big 12 presidents are orchestrating a last-ditch effort to convince the two schools to remain, or at least to seek reasons for their impending departure.
Administrators from Texas and Oklahoma did not join their brethren on a joint conference call Thursday night to discuss the matter with league athletic directors and school presidents—a striking snub that speaks to their inevitable exit. The top destination is the SEC, a league that both programs contacted in the last few weeks. The Longhorns, however, might have at least one other option, sources say: the ACC.
The two schools have described their intentions with the SEC as “exploratory,” according to sources within the Big 12. But conference leaders believe it is much more serious. In fact, the Big 12 firmly expects the Longhorns, the ringleaders of this latest realignment, to announce their departure soon, with Oklahoma closely behind.
“I’d say Texas is for sure gone and probably Oklahoma,” says an administrator.
High-level college football officials spoke to Sports Illustrated for this story under condition of anonymity as the matters are sensitive. The Big 12 released a statement Thursday evening saying that the “eight members strongly desire to retain the current composition of the league,” and that the league would require those leaving to “adhere” to the Big 12’s Grant of Rights, which runs to 2025.
The two schools can pay a penalty to break the contract early—expected to be about $70 million each—or wait until the deal expires, a move that could create an awkward four years of athletics with two lameducks. Though expected, a move to the SEC isn’t guaranteed. Expansion calls for a vote of three-fourths of the conference membership, or 11 of the 14 teams. Texas A&M is the only school to have publicly voiced its opposition.
The split in revenue among SEC teams is expected to remain the same, or very similar, in a 16-team conference as it is now. So why would mid-tier or lower-tier SEC programs agree to admit two powerhouse programs they’d play at least once if not twice a year? The excitement and prestige of Oklahoma and Texas playing in your stadium is not lost on the conference’s athletic directors and school presidents, especially during a time of financial uncertainty—the recovery from COVID-19 and the decline in attendance.
“Like I tell recruits all the time, we are the best league in college football and everyone wants to play there,” Missouri coach Eli Drinkwitz said. “Now you got two iconic brands that want to join too. It’s an exclusive club and not everyone gets in, so good luck, especially if A&M has anything to do with it.”
In the meantime, Bowlsby, one of the most respected leaders in college sports, is attempting to keep unified the remaining eight schools—an incredibly difficult mission amid a transformative year in college athletics. The move from Texas and Oklahoma is expected to spark a sweeping, nationwide realignment wave, one that could end in two ways: (1) the complete dismantling of the Big 12 conference and founding of four superconferences, each with as many as 16 teams; or (2) a rebuilt Big 12 with two to four new members that have been pillaged, in all likelihood, from the American Athletic Conference.
Do Big 12 teams become the hunter (Option 2) or the hunted (Option 1)?
“There is a path to survival,” says one source. “It can be done.”
In the search for a rebuilt Big 12 (Option 2), the goal is to make additions that would keep the conference among the Autonomy 5, giving it more legislative freedom and, more importantly, retaining its tie-ins with the New Year’s Six bowl games. Those that make geographic and financial sense include Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis and possibly SMU. There are other outliers that reign atop the Group of 5, such as UCF, BYU and Boise State. Either way, the Big 12’s media rights deal is likely to see significant changes with the departure of its two most profitable programs.
Option 1 could reshape college sports. Panicked and spooked, some Big 12 members could bolt from a league in shambles. The Pac-12 has four open spots to reach the 16-team mark. The ACC and Big Ten have two each. West Virginia is already geographically more aligned with the ACC, and Kansas is a basketball boon for any league, despite its football failures. Baylor men’s basketball just claimed the national championship, and TCU has the Dallas-Fort Worth market.
If the Big 12 isn’t quick enough with its rebuild, schools might scatter.
“Uncertainty creates instability,” says one college athletic director.
And so, a week after Bowlsby expressed his certainty in the Big 12’s stability, the conference flaps in the wind of change. A year ago the savior of college football for refusing to follow in the footsteps of the Pac-12 and Big Ten, the Big 12’s existence is in jeopardy.
“It’s not imminent, but there’s truth they reached out to explore the possibility of joining the SEC,” says a Big 12 official. “If they’re gone, we start Plan B.”
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:36:01 GMT -5
We can admire the efficiency of Sankey and the SEC, but if these stories are true, a lot of me is pretty disgusted by the sliminess of the SEC head offices and the two universities in question. Of course, everyone has known that Texas is about the slimiest school in the nation forever. But the idea of going to the Big 12 Media days and knowing what was going on is pretty pathetic. I know, I know....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rule. Doesn't make it any less disgusting.
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Post by theswan on Jul 23, 2021 9:43:16 GMT -5
Come on Sir Trolls a lot...... who saw Missouri winning the SEC East so early.... ? I dont kniw where ttu ranks. They are not as low as some in the PAC... they are a Tier 1 research university.... and one of the tops in many fields. But im proud of you, using obscure stats and numbers to try and make a point. what stats did I use? I asked you a simple (so you could understand it) question, and you call me a troll... a troll is someone who continually posts opinions and wishes as fact, puts out conspiracy theories all the time and gets all of his news from far right tinfoil hat websites,,, i.e. you Big Dawgs said:I don't think PAC 12 would have the remotest interest in Houston. They do care about academics and I am not sure Houston has any. Bilogle said: does TUTU? Be honest. You were trolling |
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Post by theswan on Jul 23, 2021 9:45:34 GMT -5
It won't be long before it's 16 pods of 4.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 23, 2021 9:52:13 GMT -5
We can admire the efficiency of Sankey and the SEC, but if these stories are true, a lot of me is pretty disgusted by the sliminess of the SEC head offices and the two universities in question. Of course, everyone has known that Texas is about the slimiest school in the nation forever. But the idea of going to the Big 12 Media days and knowing what was going on is pretty pathetic. I know, I know....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rule. Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Honestly, you have to separate the two. The SEC is under no obligation to disclose any of this so I don’t see where this is a bad look for them. Keeping it quiet was to avoid exactly what TAMU is doing, leaking it to the press and try to drum up negative attention to block it. So I’m not sure what your issue is with the SEC heads. Now if they actively sought out OU and UT to convince them to come onboard, that’s a different story. But when two major programs come calling, you listen and you do have to keep those conversations quiet. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 23, 2021 9:54:05 GMT -5
We can admire the efficiency of Sankey and the SEC, but if these stories are true, a lot of me is pretty disgusted by the sliminess of the SEC head offices and the two universities in question. Of course, everyone has known that Texas is about the slimiest school in the nation forever. But the idea of going to the Big 12 Media days and knowing what was going on is pretty pathetic. I know, I know....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rule. Doesn't make it any less disgusting. Honestly, you have to separate the two. The SEC is under no obligation to disclose any of this so I don’t see where this is a bad look for them. Keeping it quiet was to avoid exactly what TAMU is doing, leaking it to the press and try to drum up negative attention to block it. So I’m not sure what your issue is with the SEC heads. Now if they actively sought out OU and UT to convince them to come onboard, that’s a different story. But when two major programs come calling, you listen and you do have to keep those conversations quiet. That totally depends on what you promised Texas A&M when they joined. And if you cannot trust your 14 University presidents then you don't deserve to lead the league. We ain't talking about the CIA here. |
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 23, 2021 10:43:58 GMT -5
It makes you appreciate how the SEC handles it’s business if these reports are true. No drama, (until TAMU found out and leaked it) just results. The organization is good at keeping people aligned and people quiet. Yeah, and A&M is really left with no options. Don't blame them for not being happy about it, but they are going to have to sit and live with it. They ain't going to the PAC 12 or Big 10 and the only independent that is going to survive is ND. The SEC leadership likes to keep the drama behind closed doors. TAMU leaking the news is why they were kept in the dark, and I expect TAMU is going to hear that in blunt terms. |
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Post by tophb21 on Jul 23, 2021 10:50:54 GMT -5
It makes you appreciate how the SEC handles it’s business if these reports are true. No drama, (until TAMU found out and leaked it) just results. The organization is good at keeping people aligned and people quiet. Id say they are good at keeping things quiet and perhaps certain folks in the dark, but normally when I think of organizational alignment, I think that individuals that are key stakeholders have actually been part of the process. That said I get why you take the risk here of not having all stakeholders involved. Clearly, the SEC doesn’t really care that much about aTm and if they get Texas and aTm wanted to be a petulant child I could see them showing them the door. |
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 23, 2021 10:51:42 GMT -5
From what I've read the current Big 12 started talks with the tv networks about a new deal, and they received a cold response. That plus the bad kickoff times tells me the Big12 games weren't very marketable. OU and UT aren't dumb, so they're leaving. The remaining 8 teams have to know that their conference is worth a lot less without OU and UT. Basically, the Big 12 without OU and UT is the Mountain West, and I don't see anyone they can add to fix that.
The next move is for the Big 10 to add 2 teams. The Pac and ACC can't offer money like the Big 10, so the Big 10 will have first pick.
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 23, 2021 10:55:07 GMT -5
One more thing.
If OU and UT go to the SEC, there are only 2 other teams out there that can bring a lot of eyeballs: ND and BYU. BYU won't play on Sundays, but if it's football only they should be fine. I think the PAC is going to go hard after those 2. You might not think ND in the PAC makes sense, but they have a stronger connection to Stanford and USC than anything in the ACC.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 23, 2021 11:09:45 GMT -5
And yet they leaked it so there’s your answer. It’s a big assumption that the SEC promised TAMU they wouldn’t allow in UT. Loftin can talk about gentlemen agreements and the such but the bylaws matter. From a business perspective, you need privacy for feasibility and ROI reviews up front. I get TAMU’s frustration but this is about what’s best for the conference and I think you absolutely have to listen.
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