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Post by MtnTiger on Jul 26, 2021 15:39:03 GMT -5
Football is not everything... I mean, look at Kansas... supposedly being courted by the Big10.. for Basketball only..... ISU doesn't play baseball... but are now a little relevant in football... Texas Tech is good in lots of sports... Track champs, basketball, baseball, golf, etc. Football is still a draw, and Lubbock is one of the biggest college towns in the entire country. No pro sports... Much bigger TV market than TCU, Baylor, Houston, etc.. even though they are bigger populated areas.. people just care more here.. its "our team". If the Big12 can get the Money right.... then UT and OU have no reason to leave. If the Big12 can add teams that UT/OU want then they will have it made. The new CFBPO is set for the ability to get in easier from here than the gauntlet of the SEC. I wonder just how big of a Push he Big12 will make to STEAL back Nebraska... possibly others and or add in 2-4 teams? If you think Texas and OU are even considering staying in the Big12 I have some ocean front property for you in Roswell, NM. I will make you a really good deal on it. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 26, 2021 16:20:25 GMT -5
And why would Nebraska come back to the Big 12 in either case. They want nothing to do with Texas and without OU and Texas, they would be giving up tons of money.
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 26, 2021 18:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Jul 26, 2021 21:05:51 GMT -5
Football is not everything... I mean, look at Kansas... supposedly being courted by the Big10.. for Basketball only..... ISU doesn't play baseball... but are now a little relevant in football... Texas Tech is good in lots of sports... Track champs, basketball, baseball, golf, etc. Football is still a draw, and Lubbock is one of the biggest college towns in the entire country. No pro sports... Much bigger TV market than TCU, Baylor, Houston, etc.. even though they are bigger populated areas.. people just care more here.. its "our team". If the Big12 can get the Money right.... then UT and OU have no reason to leave. If the Big12 can add teams that UT/OU want then they will have it made. The new CFBPO is set for the ability to get in easier from here than the gauntlet of the SEC. I wonder just how big of a Push he Big12 will make to STEAL back Nebraska... possibly others and or add in 2-4 teams? If you think Texas and OU are even considering staying in the Big12 I have some ocean front property for you in Roswell, NM. I will make you a really good deal on it. There is a real chance they will not BE ALLOWED to leave. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 26, 2021 21:06:52 GMT -5
And why would Nebraska come back to the Big 12 in either case. They want nothing to do with Texas and without OU and Texas, they would be giving up tons of money. Nebraska hates the Big10. They are irrelevant and money is not everything to every program. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 26, 2021 21:09:44 GMT -5
And you are about to have a giant SCOTUS fight coming. State schools with millions across state lines impacting millions... the NCAA will be blown apart with the lack of control. Of course,...l. With a playoff, that 82m a year could actually come out to be Zero Titles... |
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Post by ghost on Jul 26, 2021 21:13:40 GMT -5
And look.... you SEC privileged fans need to understand.
The playing feild is DESIGNED TO BE FAIR.... it used to be fair. It was run... to be fair.
Now it’s being segregated. The SEC is trying to introduce privilege. Trying to instigate segregation.
The SEC is trying to put in their own Jim Crow laws....
It’s ironic honestly. Actual evil empires doing evil shit and it’s celebrated...
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Post by GoBigRed203 on Jul 27, 2021 0:21:54 GMT -5
And why would Nebraska come back to the Big 12 in either case. They want nothing to do with Texas and without OU and Texas, they would be giving up tons of money. Nebraska hates the Big10. They are irrelevant and money is not everything to every program. Nebraska dislikes Texas even more. |
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Post by GoBigRed203 on Jul 27, 2021 0:23:09 GMT -5
WHy is that looking bad? Fail to understand how them not supporting is bad. If they had said they will not support the outcome or if they said they were leaving, I would agree. Lets face it...do we think Mizzou is crazy about this? Do you think Ed Orgeron is thrilled with it? I can't imagine Sam Pitman or Lane Kiffin is happy either. Kudos for A&M voicing something other than the party line. They KNOW Texas and what assholes they have been. Their entire history has been one of destruction. Ask Colorado. Ask Nebraska. Do I think they will get their way in the SEC? No because Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Alabama are a powerful group that is not likely to take any shit from Austin. But no one knows the Longhorns better than the Aggies. No, I don't think this looks bad at all. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Texas will enter the SEC in a humble way. If not, they will be humbled real quick! When has Texas ever been humble? When?! |
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 27, 2021 5:57:52 GMT -5
I think Oklahoma will have some success in the SEC. Texas? Not so much.
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 27, 2021 5:59:43 GMT -5
And look.... you SEC privileged fans need to understand. The playing feild is DESIGNED TO BE FAIR.... it used to be fair. It was run... to be fair. Now it’s being segregated. The SEC is trying to introduce privilege. Trying to instigate segregation. The SEC is trying to put in their own Jim Crow laws.... It’s ironic honestly. Actual evil empires doing evil shit and it’s celebrated... Most if not all SEC fans aren't for expansion. Hell, most want to kick TAMU and Mizzou out and go back to a 10 team league. Most SEC fans realize their opinion doesn't matter, and are just happy the SEC grabbed the two best teams. |
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Post by dougefresh on Jul 27, 2021 6:00:54 GMT -5
If the SEC's new deal is $82 million, it'll be interesting to see what the Big 10 does. They have a new conference commissioner, and he's about to get a trial by fire.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jul 27, 2021 7:51:22 GMT -5
And you are about to have a giant SCOTUS fight coming. State schools with millions across state lines impacting millions... the NCAA will be blown apart with the lack of control. Of course,...l. With a playoff, that 82m a year could actually come out to be Zero Titles... Are we talking the same SCOTUS that just passed the NIL BS 9-0? |
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Post by 75tranzam on Jul 27, 2021 10:12:40 GMT -5
And look.... you SEC privileged fans need to understand. The playing feild is DESIGNED TO BE FAIR.... it used to be fair. It was run... to be fair.
Now it’s being segregated. The SEC is trying to introduce privilege. Trying to instigate segregation. The SEC is trying to put in their own Jim Crow laws.... It’s ironic honestly. Actual evil empires doing evil shit and it’s celebrated... That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, it was never set up to be "fair." How do you define "fair?" |
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 27, 2021 10:32:07 GMT -5
What have you been taking Ghost? You are just raving on.
No doubt TTU is going to be impacted by this move - but maybe they do ok. If the PAC picks them up or even the ACC. But no doubt if this move goes through - some teams in the Big 12 are going to decline in status.
TTU has really never had a great football team, but they do well in basketball and baseball. But the big dollars go to the football powers.
And the playing field has never been fair. And this Jim Crow shitzzz sounds like a whining democrat. Is that who you are?
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Post by ghost on Jul 27, 2021 10:42:51 GMT -5
And you are about to have a giant SCOTUS fight coming. State schools with millions across state lines impacting millions... the NCAA will be blown apart with the lack of control. Of course,...l. With a playoff, that 82m a year could actually come out to be Zero Titles... Are we talking the same SCOTUS that just passed the NIL BS 9-0? 2 different things. The NIL was with the individuals rights to make money... if anything it leeds to think they will side even more with the plantiffs in this upcoming battle.... The players were getting screwed over by the NCAA schools who made money and paid them nothing...... well, now the other conferences/states are getting screwed over by the SEC attempting to hoard all the TV revenue and do the same thing the NCAA use to do to the players... "Payers get scholarships" was the cry for years... now SEC will cry "well, they get their own TV deals still"..... its not the same. The 9-0 ruing leads me to believe they will break this tyrannical monopoly that the SEC is attempting to create. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 27, 2021 10:46:59 GMT -5
This would not even be a discussion point if the Big 12/SWC wasn't such a poorly run calamity. Perhaps, we should be looking in the mirror about how utterly incompetent the Big 12 leadership and institutions have been. The SEC didn't run Colorado off. The SEC didn't run Nebraska off. The SEC didn't go looking for Mizzou. If you guys had gotten your house in any sort of a order, we might not be looking at this issue right now.
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Post by ghost on Jul 27, 2021 10:50:47 GMT -5
And look.... you SEC privileged fans need to understand. The playing feild is DESIGNED TO BE FAIR.... it used to be fair. It was run... to be fair.
Now it’s being segregated. The SEC is trying to introduce privilege. Trying to instigate segregation. The SEC is trying to put in their own Jim Crow laws.... It’s ironic honestly. Actual evil empires doing evil shit and it’s celebrated... That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, it was never set up to be "fair." How do you define "fair?" It was designed to be fair. Same number of Scholarships per team. Same # of games... illegal to offer benefits to players for coming to your school. etc etc .... It was a lie from he begging when you let peoples opinions decide who got shots at the title. Back when you had teams that could win a title from anywhere. Then all the sudden, the $$$ got bigger and bigger and programs started to cheat like SMU and programs like TAMU/Texas started to complain about it thus killing SMU..... When that all went down a new era emerged.... were the Bigger traditions would RIG the system and create an air of "superiority" and never again allow an outsider the oppurttunity to compete. The BCS came in to "try" and get the computes to fix it... to be fair.. well, that didn't work. TCU, Boise, Utah, and others screwed that image up.... then we are given the Lie about the CFBPO...... that didn't work. The whole things keeps getting modified to be "fair".....but its not. SEC schools sgetting $50m... AAC getting $7 million? CFB has become segretated like the 1920's.... |
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Jul 27, 2021 10:58:14 GMT -5
Are we talking the same SCOTUS that just passed the NIL BS 9-0? 2 different things. The NIL was with the individuals rights to make money... if anything it leeds to think they will side even more with the plantiffs in this upcoming battle.... The players were getting screwed over by the NCAA schools who made money and paid them nothing...... well, now the other conferences/states are getting screwed over by the SEC attempting to hoard all the TV revenue and do the same thing the NCAA use to do to the players... "Payers get scholarships" was the cry for years... now SEC will cry "well, they get their own TV deals still"..... its not the same. The 9-0 ruing leads me to believe they will break this tyrannical monopoly that the SEC is attempting to create. Cmon Dude, this is such BS. The SEC did not go out looking to hoard anything. Texas is begging for a bailout and OU is like their baby sister. There are 4 other major conferences that can hoard as well. So far the Big10 has gone on record saying they have no interest in expanding their conference. Like to Big12, the PAC12 is just as inept as they come, and the ACC is Clemson & everyone else, and Clemson has no incentive to switch conferences since their current path to the CFP is a cake walk. Although I think the SEC will accept UT and OU, I'm totally against it. Also, make no mistake, the SEC will get their TV deals and the money that comes with that with or without your Big12 brethren. Quite frankly, you sound like a scorned girlfriend who just got dumped and now your totally butthurt. |
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Post by ghost on Jul 27, 2021 11:33:37 GMT -5
2 different things. The NIL was with the individuals rights to make money... if anything it leeds to think they will side even more with the plantiffs in this upcoming battle.... The players were getting screwed over by the NCAA schools who made money and paid them nothing...... well, now the other conferences/states are getting screwed over by the SEC attempting to hoard all the TV revenue and do the same thing the NCAA use to do to the players... "Payers get scholarships" was the cry for years... now SEC will cry "well, they get their own TV deals still"..... its not the same. The 9-0 ruing leads me to believe they will break this tyrannical monopoly that the SEC is attempting to create. Cmon Dude, this is such BS. The SEC did not go out looking to hoard anything. Texas is begging for a bailout and OU is like their baby sister. There are 4 other major conferences that can hoard as well. So far the Big10 has gone on record saying they have no interest in expanding their conference. Like to Big12, the PAC12 is just as inept as they come, and the ACC is Clemson & everyone else, and Clemson has no incentive to switch conferences since their current path to the CFP is a cake walk. Although I think the SEC will accept UT and OU, I'm totally against it. Also, make no mistake, the SEC will get their TV deals and the money that comes with that with or without your Big12 brethren. Quite frankly, you sound like a scorned girlfriend who just got dumped and now your totally butthurt. And the idea that every SEC school will make "$82million" per year with OU and UT has nothing to do with it? The reports that the SEC is looking a tOSU, Clemson, FSU, Michigan along with UT and OU mean nothing? And all due respect but after the amount of secrecy going on around this whole thing, who the hell knows WHO is out there planning? The reports the SEC wanted to make a 20 team super conference and brea away? thats not UT and OU.. thats the SEC.... |
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Post by RHVSamford Bulldog on Jul 27, 2021 12:31:52 GMT -5
FWIW - www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31897367/oklahoma-sooners-texas-longhorns-formally-notify-sec-membership-requestOklahoma Sooners, Texas Longhorns formally notify SEC of membership request for 2025Oklahoma and Texas have formally notified the SEC they are seeking "an invitation for membership" beginning July 1, 2025, according to a joint statement from the flagship programs of the Big 12. According to the release, OU and Texas sent SEC commissioner Greg Sankey their request Tuesday morning. "The two universities look forward to the prospect of discussion regarding the matter," the statement read. According to the letter, which was dated July 27 and made public, Texas president Jay Hartzell and Oklahoma president Joseph Harroz Jr. wrote, "We believe that there would be mutual benefit to the Universities on the one hand, and the SEC on the other hand, for the Universities to become members of the SEC." Sources said the SEC presidents and chancellors are meeting Thursday to consider OU and Texas for official membership in what would become the first 16-team superconference. In spite of the formal notification from the Big 12 schools, a source familiar with the process cautioned that it still doesn't guarantee the SEC will vote at that time. A three-fourths majority vote of SEC presidents and chancellors (11 of 14) would be required for invitations to be extended. Sources previously told ESPN that it's believed enough SEC schools will vote to add the two new members. "While the SEC has not proactively sought new members, we will pursue significant change when there is a clear consensus among our members that such actions will further enrich the experiences of our student-athletes and lead to greater academic and athletic achievement across our campuses," Sankey said in a statement. "The Presidents and Chancellors of the SEC, in their capacity as the conference's Chief Executive Officers, will consider these requests in the near future." The boards of regents for both Texas and Oklahoma have scheduled separate special meetings Friday morning, during which athletic conference membership will be discussed. Oklahoma's regents will meet in Oklahoma City, while Texas' regents will meet via conference call. Texas and OU stated in the letter that they intend to remain in the Big 12 through June 30, 2025, because that's when the current Big 12 media rights deal expires -- but that doesn't guarantee they won't find a way to leave before then. If it happens earlier, each university would have to pay a penalty of at least $75 million to $80 million to break that agreement, or hope that the Big 12 dissolves before the grant of rights contract expires. One Big 12 source suggested the possibility that OU and Texas are banking on a relationship that turns so sour over the next few years, the Big 12 agrees to cut them loose for less. A source within the SEC said the Longhorns and Sooners "have a lot of legal work to do before they can just walk over to us." |
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 27, 2021 12:33:51 GMT -5
But Texas and OU are not fighting it are they? It seems that both schools are mighty willing to join the SEC.
Texas had some great teams years ago, but they seemed to be only concerned about themselves. The SWC was Texas and the seven dwarfs. Then the Longhorn network - greed and it destroyed the Texas myth.
Oklahoma has had great football teams for a long time. Shitzzz I remember the long winning streak back in the 1950's. It was about 47 games. Option football with Tommy McDonald and Lyndon Thomas. Both were All Americans. Three straight undefeated seasons. The Sooners record from 1950 through 1958 - nine seasons was 86-7-2. Mighty good.
Now both Texas and Oklahoma don't see the Big 12 heading any way except down. So Texas and Oklahoma apparently made a deal to move on. And it is to the SEC.
I really don't like the deal, but they didn't ask me about it.
Dandy Don's website had a poll about their thoughts of Texas and Oklahoma joining the SEC. "First, thanks to those of you who voted in yesterday’s poll asking what you think of Texas and Oklahoma potentially joining the SEC. This was the tightest poll we’ve ever conducted. With over 6,900 votes cast, there were only six votes separating those who are against the move (41.68%) and those who are for it (41.59%). Just over 1,100 voters (16.73%) said it’s too soon to say."
So Tiger fans are basically split on that topic. I just wonder how Texas and Oklahoma fans feel about their teams moving to the SEC. I would think it would be mixed opinions.
The college football scene has changed a lot and will probably change more in the future. And there is not a darn thing we can do about it.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 27, 2021 12:43:37 GMT -5
Because of a conference "no-repeat" rule, Oklahoma did not play in a bowl game in 1954 or 1956. How about dem apples? And now we have a zillion bowl games.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Jul 27, 2021 12:44:08 GMT -5
Oh, both were non defeated seasons.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 27, 2021 12:57:36 GMT -5
Interesting on what happens with the Georgia-Oklahoma game in Norman in 2023. The return game in Athens wasn't going to be till 2031. I doubt the Dawgs agree to go to Norman without a guaranteed return game. Maybe they will have bought their way into the conference by then, but if not, I suspect UGA will cancel that game.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 27, 2021 13:05:17 GMT -5
Cannot make this up. How ironic?
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A source close to the situation said the buyout money for #Texas and #Oklahoma to leave the #Big12 before 2025 could come from the roughly $160 million #UT is still owed by ESPN for the final 10 years of ESPN's 20-yr, $300 million contract with Texas for the Longhorn Network.
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Post by ghost on Jul 27, 2021 13:06:30 GMT -5
Lots of things can happen in 4 seasons.... The NIL might have killed all CFB by then....
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Post by ghost on Jul 27, 2021 13:08:06 GMT -5
Cannot make this up. How ironic? See new Tweets Tweet Chip Brown @chipbrown247 · 2h A source close to the situation said the buyout money for #Texas and #Oklahoma to leave the #Big12 before 2025 could come from the roughly $160 million #UT is still owed by ESPN for the final 10 years of ESPN's 20-yr, $300 million contract with Texas for the Longhorn Network. I said that days ago... They are still owed $150 million.... So it would cost Each school $105 million to leave and play in the SEC NEXT year.... ESPN could pay for nearly all of it in a buyout... |
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Post by USCGamecocks on Jul 27, 2021 13:28:39 GMT -5
I don’t think ESPN will have an appetite for that until the new contract is active and they replace CBS as the “game of the week” network. Otherwise they could potentially be buying out a contract to provide inventory for CBS.
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Post by bigdawgs on Jul 27, 2021 13:33:11 GMT -5
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