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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 2, 2021 15:20:36 GMT -5
The buyout isn’t the issue, it’s the grant of rights. I love it…Clemson fans have been high minded about the ACC’s academic superiority to the SEC for quite some time. (“We actually have standards and would never debase ourselves just to be part of the SEC.”). Now it’s “holy shit we have a burning platform, please help us SEC”. I am surprised that they would want in…their easy path to the playoffs would be gone. FWIW, Clemson is refuting it.
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 15:26:32 GMT -5
You just knew it was coming Yeah. i don't see this happening cause of the 15 years of GOR they would have to pay..... but its nice to get the fans excited... "Make them say no" is the play here... you either make the SEC say no and you can say "we tried"... or you can have the SEC offer and then say "we were wanted, but we said no"... its chess match. Plus they can try to extort more money rom the ACC members. Either way, i would expect a lot of saber rattling.. and i would expect a lot of elected officials start to chime in nationwide from all these states looking to lose billions |
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2021 15:33:01 GMT -5
The buyout isn’t the issue, it’s the grant of rights. I love it…Clemson fans have been high minded about the ACC’s academic superiority to the SEC for quite some time. (“We actually have standards and would never debase ourselves just to be part of the SEC.”). Now it’s “holy shit we have a burning platform, please help us SEC”. I am surprised that they would want in…their easy path to the playoffs would be gone. FWIW, Clemson is refuting it. Really? Clemson has been high minded about academic superiority? I could see UVA or UNC or Dook, but Clemson? |
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 15:34:25 GMT -5
The issue with "The other P5's can't remove the Big12 rights" is the key...... If The Pac12 doesn't offer 4 of the teams, the league can survive....
IF the Big12 does add in 4 teams, namely BYU (already considered a P5 by even the SEC), UCF, Houston, and Cinncitait, then they could maintain their status and still be a solid league. if they added in Memphis and Colrado St, that would even bolster the conference footprint to 14.
The SMU thing is going to never happen with TCU and Baylor being defiant No.... Houston could get by.
The big game changer for the Pac12 is going to be how hard Utah and CO push for teams to be added knowing the other option is for BYU and CSU to be lifted up to P5 status.
But the video above is right... a "east/west split" would get voted down by current non coastal members of the Pac12... They would have to Split north/south and add USC/UCLA in with AZ, ASU, TTU, OK st, KN, KSU.... in order to keep the CA games for recruiting yearly...
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 15:35:05 GMT -5
FTR i love the "divisonless SEC" model with 3 protected games... the guy did his homework and its a very good idea to keep rivals going..
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 2, 2021 15:38:18 GMT -5
Indeed.
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Post by MtnTiger on Aug 2, 2021 16:04:37 GMT -5
The buyout isn’t the issue, it’s the grant of rights. I love it…Clemson fans have been high minded about the ACC’s academic superiority to the SEC for quite some time. (“We actually have standards and would never debase ourselves just to be part of the SEC.”). Now it’s “holy shit we have a burning platform, please help us SEC”. I am surprised that they would want in…their easy path to the playoffs would be gone. FWIW, Clemson is refuting it. Really? Clemson has been high minded about academic superiority? I could see UVA or UNC or Dook, but Clemson? Now you’ve done it. Better hope Vessie doesn’t see this.  |
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2021 16:05:51 GMT -5
An interesting look at what the future may hold, at least through the eyes of one man, in regards to realignment and approaches to games, etc. Taken from the Georgia Rivals site... I think the SEC plan he proposes is not bad, but I have a feeling Auburn would be less than enthused to add Florida to Georgia and Bama. Pretty certain Auburn wants to keep the latter two, but even though there was that previous rivalry with Florida, having all three would be brutal. Of all I have seen so far, think keeping the Divisions is the best option. First, you commit to 9 conference games. Then you move Bama and Auburn east and Mizzou west. You have just added a lot of flexibility. The two traditional games that the rest of the SEC could care less about would then be safely in the east. You play the 7 teams in your division and then rotate 2 of the other division teams. That way you play each team in the opposite division one time in a 4 year sequence. You don't play them at home, but this is still much better than the current setup. Going to pods and or simply 16 teams will lead to multiple ties and then picking/polling to get the two teams into the conference championship game. Two divisions has generally worked. There has been the occasion when the two best teams were in the same division, particularly in the mid 2010s, but those were the exception. The east dominated the first decade. The second decade was pretty much split. The west has totally dominated the last decade. Such is college football. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2021 16:07:47 GMT -5
Really? Clemson has been high minded about academic superiority? I could see UVA or UNC or Dook, but Clemson? Now you’ve done it. Better hope Vessie doesn’t see this. Not saying Clemson is bad, but they are hardly something special.  |
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Post by MtnTiger on Aug 2, 2021 16:08:21 GMT -5
The issue with "The other P5's can't remove the Big12 rights" is the key...... If The Pac12 doesn't offer 4 of the teams, the league can survive.... IF the Big12 does add in 4 teams, namely BYU (already considered a P5 by even the SEC), UCF, Houston, and Cinncitait, then they could maintain their status and still be a solid league. if they added in Memphis and Colrado St, that would even bolster the conference footprint to 14. The SMU thing is going to never happen with TCU and Baylor being defiant No.... Houston could get by. The big game changer for the Pac12 is going to be how hard Utah and CO push for teams to be added knowing the other option is for BYU and CSU to be lifted up to P5 status. But the video above is right... a "east/west split" would get voted down by current non coastal members of the Pac12... They would have to Split north/south and add USC/UCLA in with AZ, ASU, TTU, OK st, KN, KSU.... in order to keep the CA games for recruiting yearly... My guess is in two years none of the current P5 conferences will look anything like they do today. Some may still exist, but in name only. The NCAA will look completely different too if it still exists. |
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Post by dougefresh on Aug 2, 2021 16:21:16 GMT -5
The issue with "The other P5's can't remove the Big12 rights" is the key...... If The Pac12 doesn't offer 4 of the teams, the league can survive.... IF the Big12 does add in 4 teams, namely BYU (already considered a P5 by even the SEC), UCF, Houston, and Cinncitait, then they could maintain their status and still be a solid league. if they added in Memphis and Colrado St, that would even bolster the conference footprint to 14. The SMU thing is going to never happen with TCU and Baylor being defiant No.... Houston could get by. The big game changer for the Pac12 is going to be how hard Utah and CO push for teams to be added knowing the other option is for BYU and CSU to be lifted up to P5 status. I don't think the Big 12 will get enough $ adding those 4. BYU will add but the rest have zero national presence. If SMU moves the needle with one of the networks TCU and Baylor won't say a thing. If the Big 12 doesn't survive they're in the Mountain West. SLC and Boulder have big ties to the west coast. Especially tech companies. CSU is an AG school and is a terrible fit for the PAC. BYU brings a lot of eyeballs. |
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 2, 2021 16:30:18 GMT -5
The issue with "The other P5's can't remove the Big12 rights" is the key...... If The Pac12 doesn't offer 4 of the teams, the league can survive.... IF the Big12 does add in 4 teams, namely BYU (already considered a P5 by even the SEC), UCF, Houston, and Cinncitait, then they could maintain their status and still be a solid league. if they added in Memphis and Colrado St, that would even bolster the conference footprint to 14. The SMU thing is going to never happen with TCU and Baylor being defiant No.... Houston could get by. The big game changer for the Pac12 is going to be how hard Utah and CO push for teams to be added knowing the other option is for BYU and CSU to be lifted up to P5 status. But the video above is right... a "east/west split" would get voted down by current non coastal members of the Pac12... They would have to Split north/south and add USC/UCLA in with AZ, ASU, TTU, OK st, KN, KSU.... in order to keep the CA games for recruiting yearly... My guess is in two years none of the current P5 conferences will look anything like they do today. Some may still exist, but in name only. The NCAA will look completely different too if it still exists. I agree. But you bring up a really key point. We always brow beat the NCAA and frankly 99% of the time it is deserved. But at least there is the framework of some oversight, as poorly executed as they frequently do it. But without it, who is going to run this ship? Does anyone trust any of the conferences to police their own? What are the rules and who will enforce them? I wouldn't trust Greg Sankey as far as you can throw him. We will see with the new ACC and PAC 12 commissioners but I doubt that they are any more trustworthy. And the Big Ten's guy was an unmitigated disaster in handling the covid mess. Are we going to go to a 32 team super duper conference? Is that what we want? Talk about NFL light...we can watch the semi pros on Saturday and the real ones on Sunday. And then we will have taken the game that so many people loved forever into a side show. Tradition. Bands. Playing for silly trophies. Win one for the Gipper. That magnificent eagle swooping down on Jordan Hare. Chief Oceola and Tommy Trojan driving a spear/sword into the turf before a game. USC cheerleaders. NU vs OU. The Golden Dome. Tiger Stadium on a Saturday Night and that Rock at Clemson's Death Valley. Ralphie running onto the field in Boulder. The Aggie Band. Enter Sandman as the Hokies enter the field. Roll Tide and Rocky Top. Checkerboard endzones and a Swamp. Between the Hedges and America's favorite mascot. America's Game. A Brigade of Midshipmen and a Corps of Cadets. Big Blue and Scarlet and Gray. Yeah, to some these are corny and things of the past. But they are what made this game so special and not the sterile, sometimes emotionless history of other sports. Tailgating started with College Football. Who else has fight songs? Oh yeah, "Hail to the ..... (fill in the blank)" I have poo pooed the naysayers who have yearned for the old days, believing that it is going to be ok. Now, I have serious doubts. |
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Post by NCBulldawg on Aug 2, 2021 16:50:51 GMT -5
I liked your waxing poetic in your post above, BD. Now that it is August, I have to admit, I seem to have shifted gears at least one notch and am that much more amped toward this season beginning. I am going to do my best to enjoy this particular season as I have zero idea what all is about to change in regards to this game I only have known via how I have grown up and seen it through my own eyes and experiences. Thanks for sparking and continuing this amplification toward CFB as each passing day means we are one day closer. 33 days until kickoff for our beloved Dawgs vs Clemson!
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 17:01:39 GMT -5
FSU/Clemson talking to SEC is made up. officially neve happened.
The Texas Senate is meeting with schools from Texas today... getting pretty heated in there... lol
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 17:05:02 GMT -5
There is going to be a big move in the Texas political landscape to strip UT of all state benefits if they actually make this move.... Which will cripple UT and force them into a private school status. The money forfeited would be dispersed throughout the state's other university's
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 2, 2021 17:22:08 GMT -5
Haha. Desperation. Even if this was legal, the governor would veto it.
Per Whitmire:
But the Longhorns' proposed move to compete with schools like the University of Florida, the University of Georgia and the University of Alabama has broken through to demand legislators' attention.
Whitmire said the legislature's hearing is unlikely to reverse what he said appeared to be a "done deal." But he said it would shed light on the decisionmaking process behind Texas's departure, and on the key role college football plays in the Texas conscience.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Aug 2, 2021 18:13:53 GMT -5
There is going to be a big move in the Texas political landscape to strip UT of all state benefits if they actually make this move.... Which will cripple UT and force them into a private school status. The money forfeited would be dispersed throughout the state's other university's Don't believe that will happen. A lot of talk and that is about all it is. |
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Aug 2, 2021 18:15:30 GMT -5
If I remember right - a lot of talk about keeping Texas A&M in the Big 12 when they were in the process of moving to the SEC.
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 20:20:09 GMT -5
If I remember right - a lot of talk about keeping Texas A&M in the Big 12 when they were in the process of moving to the SEC. Because the obvious…. The loss of TAMU did nothing to the Big12. The conference picked up some teams and the $$$ GREW. Now, you have the very real outlook for 8 schools of being fucked out of billions and loss of P5 privileges. This is not 2009. Former OU President drew a hardline with the last go around stating OU would never leave OkSt…. Now things have changed. This is actually Not over as people think it is. There is a very real chance OU and Texas will be forced to forfeit all state school funds if they leave and will end up staying. When that happens, the big12 will compensate by adding 2-4 teams and create its own stronger conference. Including possibly robbing from the Pac12. Laugh all you want. There is some really serious things going on in Austin and not on campus |
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 2, 2021 20:32:10 GMT -5
Except all UT would have to do is argue in court that TAMU was allowed to leave with no retribution from the state legislature. That would be an easy court victory.
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Post by ghost on Aug 2, 2021 20:35:42 GMT -5
Except all UT would have to do is argue in court that TAMU was allowed to leave with no retribution from the state legislature. That would be an easy court victory. You’d be right but it would never get that far. No one will risk going on a stand and talk about “TV contracts”, who knew, who called, who paid, …. None of it. |
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Post by MtnTiger on Aug 2, 2021 20:56:52 GMT -5
If I remember right - a lot of talk about keeping Texas A&M in the Big 12 when they were in the process of moving to the SEC. Because the obvious…. The loss of TAMU did nothing to the Big12. The conference picked up some teams and the $$$ GREW. Now, you have the very real outlook for 8 schools of being fucked out of billions and loss of P5 privileges. This is not 2009. Former OU President drew a hardline with the last go around stating OU would never leave OkSt…. Now things have changed. This is actually Not over as people think it is. There is a very real chance OU and Texas will be forced to forfeit all state school funds if they leave and will end up staying. When that happens, the big12 will compensate by adding 2-4 teams and create its own stronger conference. Including possibly robbing from the Pac12. Laugh all you want. There is some really serious things going on in Austin and not on campus Neither the Texas nor Oklahoma legislatures are going to defund the flagship universities of their respective states. Stop, just stop grasping at that straw. It has infinitely more holes than the ones on the ends. |
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Aug 2, 2021 22:48:45 GMT -5
Texas has bigger problems than Texas leaving the Big 12.
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 3, 2021 6:25:10 GMT -5
This is priceless:
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 3, 2021 6:30:22 GMT -5
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Charles Perry to Jay Hartzell: "If you're as big and great as you think you are, you should have made the Big 12 equal or better than the SEC and you didn't do it. I kind of feel sorry for the SEC. Cousin Eddie's coming home and he don't leave 'til he's wrecked the whole house."
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 3, 2021 6:32:06 GMT -5
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Baylor AD Mack Rhoades: "Many of my colleagues around the country believe that the University of Texas created this situation because they think so highly of themselves."
"My humble opinion: I completely disagree. I think it's because they felt too little of themselves."
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 3, 2021 6:38:13 GMT -5
Since 2010, Texas football has had 4 losing seasons.
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia and LSU combined have had 3
Texas had their fewest losses in the past 11 seasons at 3...in the shortened Covid season.
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Post by USCGamecocks on Aug 3, 2021 6:42:53 GMT -5
As funny as this is, it’s awfully petty for politicians to call a hearing in order to insult the subject of said hearing. It’s the same arrogance they accuse UT of.
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Post by bigdawgs on Aug 3, 2021 8:28:00 GMT -5
Oh, in this case, I think it most appropriate. Beats the hell out of debating about masks and freedom.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Aug 3, 2021 8:29:05 GMT -5
As funny as this is, it’s awfully petty for politicians to call a hearing in order to insult the subject of said hearing. It’s the same arrogance they accuse UT of. I think is hilarious that you hold politicians to a standard, any standard. |
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