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Post by nmerritt11 on Nov 24, 2023 11:43:12 GMT -5
I have and would have zero issue with him winning it but if I am drafting first round or if both are available in the portal and I only have the NIL money to afford one and both are available, give me Bowers. I will find a QB that can get him the football. NFL is the next step. And the Heisman is about their college playing time. I don't know how well Daniels will play as a QB in the NFL - but he would make a pretty good WR, IMO. as a college player I am taking Bowers without hesitation. Dude is a gamer
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 26, 2023 14:15:26 GMT -5
Here is the question?
If you were a college coach and had the pick of Daniels, Nix or Penix, who would take to be your QB?
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Post by ghost on Nov 26, 2023 14:27:53 GMT -5
Nix
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 26, 2023 14:33:37 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Nov 26, 2023 14:56:22 GMT -5
Well nix now.... nit nix back at Auburn. He has matured now. His accuracy, he’s tough. I think he is less likely to get hurt and make better decisions.
I saw him play here.... he just looks like a bigger more mature QB.
Might be wrong, but he’s playing really well right now and the Pac is arguably the better conference right now. I’d just start with Nix. Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me and he seems really streaky and a volume passer....
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Nov 26, 2023 15:28:16 GMT -5
Well nix now.... nit nix back at Auburn. He has matured now. His accuracy, he’s tough. I think he is less likely to get hurt and make better decisions. I saw him play here.... he just looks like a bigger more mature QB. Might be wrong, but he’s playing really well right now and the Pac is arguably the better conference right now. I’d just start with Nix. Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me and he seems really streaky and a volume passer.... Really Streaker - LOL - You mean like a 12 game streak? LOL Pac is arguably the better conference right now. - Are they, can you back this statement up? Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me Ok, so over the last 2 years, Both Bo (Oregon) & Jayden (LSU) have each played in 25 games. So, can you provide anything that back up his durability (or lack thereof) Jayden Daniels, LSU Team Record: 9-3 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 4 (FSU, OM, Mizzou, Bama) Combined record of all teams faced: 86-56 Passing Yards: 3812 on 327 attempts = 11.65 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: 1134 on 135 rushes = 8.4 yards per rush Total Yards: 4946 on 462 touches = 10.7 yards per touch 50 Touchdowns Bo Nix, Oregon Team Record: 11-1 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 1 (Wash) Combined record of all teams faced: 71-72 Passing Yards: 3906 on 401 attempts = 9.74 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: 159 on 47 rushes = 3.38 yards per rush Total Yards: 4065 yards on 448 touches = 9.07 yards per attempt 43 Touchdowns Would need to have 14 attempts/rushes next week for an average of 69.2 yards each just to match Daniels' 12 game total. Michael Penix, Washington Team Record: 12-0 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 2 (Arizona, Oregon) Combined record of all teams faced: 75-69 Passing Yards: 3695 on 394 attempts = 9.37 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: -5 on 23 rushes = -0.21 yards per rush Total Yards: 3690 on 417 touches = 8.84 yards per touch 41 Touchdowns Would need to have 45 attempts/rushes next week for an average of 27.9 yards each just to match Daniels' 12 game total. Want to take away all games against non power 5 teams? Okay... Daniels - 2851 passing, 1003 rushing, 3854 total. 33 TD. 9 games Nix - 3372 passing, 145 rushing, 3517 total. 37 TD. 10 games Penix - 2836 passing, -14 rushing, 2822 total. 25 TD. 10 games Just for shits and gigs, here's stats of the last 5 QBs to win the Heisman through 12 game regular season 2022 Caleb Williams - 3712 passing yards on 407 attempts (9.12 ypa), 34 TDs, 351 rush yards on 97 attempts (3.61 ypc), 10 TDs. Totals: 4063 yards on 504 touches (8.06 ypt), 44 TDs. 2021 Bryce Young - 3901 passing yards on 418 attempts (9.33 ypa), 40 TDs, -9 rush yards on 68 attempts (-0.13 ypc), 3 TDs. Totals: 3892 yards on 486 touches (8 ypt), 43 TDs. 2019 Joe Burrow - 4366 passing yards on 401 attempts (10.88 ypa), 44 TDs, 248 rush yards on 85 attempts (2.91 ypc), 3 TDs. Totals: 4614 yards on 486 touches (9.49 ypt), 47 TDs. 2018 Kyler Murray - 3674 passing yards on 306 attempts (12 ypa), 37 TDs, 853 rush yards on 113 attempts (7.54 ypc), 11 TDs. Totals: 4527 yards on 419 touches (10.8 ypt), 48 TDs. 2017 Baker Mayfield - 4097 passing yards on 346 attempts (11.84 ypa), 37 TDs, 244 rush yards on 79 attempts (3.08 ypc), 5 TDs. Totals: 4341 yards on 425 touches (10.21 ypt), 42 TDs. 2023 Jayden Daniels - 3812 passing yards on 327 attempts (11.65 ypa), 40 TDs, 1134 rush yards on 135 attempts (8.4 ypc), 10 TDs. Totals: 4946 yards on 462 touches (10.7 ypt), 50 TDs.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 26, 2023 15:45:39 GMT -5
Well nix now.... nit nix back at Auburn. He has matured now. His accuracy, he’s tough. I think he is less likely to get hurt and make better decisions. I saw him play here.... he just looks like a bigger more mature QB. Might be wrong, but he’s playing really well right now and the Pac is arguably the better conference right now. I’d just start with Nix. Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me and he seems really streaky and a volume passer.... Daniels is playing pretty well right now himself. And why does his durability worry you? He has played for two years and he is still throwing pin point TD's and making huge runs. If you haven't seen three of the TD's passes from yesterday - you need to take a look. And the fourth one wasn't too shabby either. None of the four were wide open looks - thrown into a small window. Four of them. Just reading the stats doesn't show how accurate some of his passes really are. Question - how much have you seen Daniels play?
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 26, 2023 19:59:31 GMT -5
Bo Nix is 23 years old, 6'2" and weighs 215.
Jayden Daniels is 22, 6'4" and weighs 210.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 26, 2023 20:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by dawgggystyle on Nov 27, 2023 8:37:11 GMT -5
I have and would have zero issue with him winning it but if I am drafting first round or if both are available in the portal and I only have the NIL money to afford one and both are available, give me Bowers. I will find a QB that can get him the football. UGA would probably have two loses if he wasn’t on the team. he definitely took over the Auburn game, gotta give credit to the coaches getting plays where he was/might be open, and Beck to making the throws, but Bowers 4th Q against auburn was something special.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 27, 2023 13:14:35 GMT -5
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Post by ghost on Nov 27, 2023 13:17:41 GMT -5
Well nix now.... nit nix back at Auburn. He has matured now. His accuracy, he’s tough. I think he is less likely to get hurt and make better decisions. I saw him play here.... he just looks like a bigger more mature QB. Might be wrong, but he’s playing really well right now and the Pac is arguably the better conference right now. I’d just start with Nix. Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me and he seems really streaky and a volume passer.... Really Streaker - LOL - You mean like a 12 game streak? LOL Pac is arguably the better conference right now. - Are they, can you back this statement up? Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me Ok, so over the last 2 years, Both Bo (Oregon) & Jayden (LSU) have each played in 25 games. So, can you provide anything that back up his durability (or lack thereof) Jayden Daniels, LSU Team Record: 9-3 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 4 (FSU, OM, Mizzou, Bama) Combined record of all teams faced: 86-56 Passing Yards: 3812 on 327 attempts = 11.65 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: 1134 on 135 rushes = 8.4 yards per rush Total Yards: 4946 on 462 touches = 10.7 yards per touch 50 Touchdowns Bo Nix, Oregon Team Record: 11-1 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 1 (Wash) Combined record of all teams faced: 71-72 Passing Yards: 3906 on 401 attempts = 9.74 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: 159 on 47 rushes = 3.38 yards per rush Total Yards: 4065 yards on 448 touches = 9.07 yards per attempt 43 Touchdowns Would need to have 14 attempts/rushes next week for an average of 69.2 yards each just to match Daniels' 12 game total. Michael Penix, Washington Team Record: 12-0 Teams with over 8 wins faced: 2 (Arizona, Oregon) Combined record of all teams faced: 75-69 Passing Yards: 3695 on 394 attempts = 9.37 yards per attempt Rushing Yards: -5 on 23 rushes = -0.21 yards per rush Total Yards: 3690 on 417 touches = 8.84 yards per touch 41 Touchdowns Would need to have 45 attempts/rushes next week for an average of 27.9 yards each just to match Daniels' 12 game total. Want to take away all games against non power 5 teams? Okay... Daniels - 2851 passing, 1003 rushing, 3854 total. 33 TD. 9 games Nix - 3372 passing, 145 rushing, 3517 total. 37 TD. 10 games Penix - 2836 passing, -14 rushing, 2822 total. 25 TD. 10 games Just for shits and gigs, here's stats of the last 5 QBs to win the Heisman through 12 game regular season 2022 Caleb Williams - 3712 passing yards on 407 attempts (9.12 ypa), 34 TDs, 351 rush yards on 97 attempts (3.61 ypc), 10 TDs. Totals: 4063 yards on 504 touches (8.06 ypt), 44 TDs. 2021 Bryce Young - 3901 passing yards on 418 attempts (9.33 ypa), 40 TDs, -9 rush yards on 68 attempts (-0.13 ypc), 3 TDs. Totals: 3892 yards on 486 touches (8 ypt), 43 TDs. 2019 Joe Burrow - 4366 passing yards on 401 attempts (10.88 ypa), 44 TDs, 248 rush yards on 85 attempts (2.91 ypc), 3 TDs. Totals: 4614 yards on 486 touches (9.49 ypt), 47 TDs. 2018 Kyler Murray - 3674 passing yards on 306 attempts (12 ypa), 37 TDs, 853 rush yards on 113 attempts (7.54 ypc), 11 TDs. Totals: 4527 yards on 419 touches (10.8 ypt), 48 TDs. 2017 Baker Mayfield - 4097 passing yards on 346 attempts (11.84 ypa), 37 TDs, 244 rush yards on 79 attempts (3.08 ypc), 5 TDs. Totals: 4341 yards on 425 touches (10.21 ypt), 42 TDs. 2023 Jayden Daniels - 3812 passing yards on 327 attempts (11.65 ypa), 40 TDs, 1134 rush yards on 135 attempts (8.4 ypc), 10 TDs. Totals: 4946 yards on 462 touches (10.7 ypt), 50 TDs. I love this post....... its like a carbon copy of the one i did in 2008 when the hands down clear Hiesman winner was Graham Harrell.......
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Post by ghost on Nov 27, 2023 13:19:33 GMT -5
Well nix now.... nit nix back at Auburn. He has matured now. His accuracy, he’s tough. I think he is less likely to get hurt and make better decisions. I saw him play here.... he just looks like a bigger more mature QB. Might be wrong, but he’s playing really well right now and the Pac is arguably the better conference right now. I’d just start with Nix. Daniels has the skills but his durability worries me and he seems really streaky and a volume passer.... Daniels is playing pretty well right now himself. And why does his durability worry you? He has played for two years and he is still throwing pin point TD's and making huge runs. If you haven't seen three of the TD's passes from yesterday - you need to take a look. And the fourth one wasn't too shabby either. None of the four were wide open looks - thrown into a small window. Four of them. Just reading the stats doesn't show how accurate some of his passes really are. Question - how much have you seen Daniels play? admittinlly not that much... i just thought Nix and oregon was having abetter year and it seems in the past Qb's on teas don't get regonintion for stats......but for some reason now stats are important..... just say'n
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Post by ghost on Nov 27, 2023 13:20:51 GMT -5
again... the irony of "stats" for a 3-loss qb being heisman after all these years of being told stats don't matter.... "system QB"....
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 27, 2023 13:24:08 GMT -5
ghost, isn't actually wrong with such a take. Stats were thrown out, and folks pissed on them. Now...2023...not so much.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Nov 27, 2023 13:58:27 GMT -5
ghost, isn't actually wrong with such a take. Stats were thrown out, and folks pissed on them. Now...2023...not so much. So Im left to assume this is intended for me, so I ask in response, since you have a vivid memory of this (but not turned a blind eye when UGA lost their conf but will still allowed into the CFP), how many reasons did I use that were completely and factually incorrect back then? All my post above does is disprove, with facts, what was stated as reasons Nix was the better candidate.
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Nov 27, 2023 14:02:31 GMT -5
again... the irony of "stats" for a 3-loss qb being heisman after all these years of being told stats don't matter.... "system QB".... Even though there is precedent, Tebow, RGII, Lamar Jackson winning with 3 losses? The issue is that the trophy has become a joke and noone know the criteria anymore. Its a popularity contest for a few on good teams. No better example of that than Marvin Harrison Jr. There are better receivers out there and actually 2 on LSU that are equal too or better than he is.
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 27, 2023 14:12:17 GMT -5
ghost, isn't actually wrong with such a take. Stats were thrown out, and folks pissed on them. Now...2023...not so much. So Im left to assume this is intended for me, so I ask in response, since you have a vivid memory of this (but not turned a blind eye when UGA lost their conf but will still allowed into the CFP), how many reasons did I use that were completely and factually incorrect back then? All my post above does is disprove, with facts, what was stated as reasons Nix was the better candidate. Ummmm...not one iota was this intended as a response to/for you. Honestly, not even in my thought process. Just remember ghost quoting stats incessantly, and the replies were pretty much..."system QB". And, if you look at my post, which I think is the first post in this thread after the OP, you will see who I think has earned the Heisman!! Are you in a fighting mood today, GT?
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Nov 27, 2023 14:16:43 GMT -5
So Im left to assume this is intended for me, so I ask in response, since you have a vivid memory of this (but not turned a blind eye when UGA lost their conf but will still allowed into the CFP), how many reasons did I use that were completely and factually incorrect back then? All my post above does is disprove, with facts, what was stated as reasons Nix was the better candidate. Ummmm...not one iota was this intended as a response to/for you. Honestly, not even in my thought process. Just remember ghost quoting stats incessantly, and the replies were pretty much..."system QB". And, if you look at my post, which I think is the first post in this thread after the OP, you will see who I think has earned the Heisman!! Are you in a fighting mood today, GT? No sir, just explosive diarrhea from eating rich food I'm not accustomed to last week. Cheers Brother!
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Post by NCBulldawg on Nov 27, 2023 14:18:47 GMT -5
Ummmm...not one iota was this intended as a response to/for you. Honestly, not even in my thought process. Just remember ghost quoting stats incessantly, and the replies were pretty much..."system QB". And, if you look at my post, which I think is the first post in this thread after the OP, you will see who I think has earned the Heisman!! Are you in a fighting mood today, GT? No sir, just explosive diarrhea from eating rich food I'm not accustomed to last week. Cheers Brother! There are worse ways to go through life! You could be a Bammer! Back at ya, GT...Cheers!!
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 27, 2023 14:30:05 GMT -5
Some are saying that the player has to be on a very good team. LSU has 3 losses, but without Daniels - probably loses at Arkansas and Missouri and maybe Florida. LSU has a very bad defense this year. The Heisman Memorial Trophy usually known colloquially as the Heisman Trophy or The Heisman) is awarded annually to the most outstanding player in college football. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. It is presented by the Heisman Trophy Trust in early December before the postseason bowl games. If one is looking at this award - it is awarded to the most outstanding player in college football. Sure I biased - but he is one heck of a QB. Man if the Tigers had an average defense instead of one of the worst in P5 schools.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Nov 27, 2023 14:35:57 GMT -5
Daniels is playing pretty well right now himself. And why does his durability worry you? He has played for two years and he is still throwing pin point TD's and making huge runs. If you haven't seen three of the TD's passes from yesterday - you need to take a look. And the fourth one wasn't too shabby either. None of the four were wide open looks - thrown into a small window. Four of them. Just reading the stats doesn't show how accurate some of his passes really are. Question - how much have you seen Daniels play? admittinlly not that much... i just thought Nix and oregon was having abetter year and it seems in the past Qb's on teas don't get regonintion for stats......but for some reason now stats are important..... just say'n If it the team is that doing good - Carson Beck for Georgia and J.J. McCarthy for Michigan. And there is no doubt that I am campaigning for my guy.
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Post by ghost on Nov 27, 2023 21:13:02 GMT -5
I could look at Mahomes. 817 yards in one game vs #3 OU..... the kid was the best CFB player.... and proven GOAT in the NFL. But no invite because he had a team with the worst defense in CFB....
It’s just fucking annoying that “stats” matter for some and others they get pissed on..
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Post by Geaux Tigers on Nov 27, 2023 22:30:49 GMT -5
I could look at Mahomes. 817 yards in one game vs #3 OU..... the kid was the best CFB player.... and proven GOAT in the NFL. But no invite because he had a team with the worst defense in CFB.... It’s just fucking annoying that “stats” matter for some and others they get pissed on.. You're doing your best to create something that's not there. You're conflating two separate issues. Im quoting stats comparing the 'top three' contenders and you and other are playing the 'stats' matter for some and others get pissed on. I know these are difficult concepts for you but since your the one being vocally critical, how do you suggest you compare Daniels to Nix as they relate to the Heisman Trophy?
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Post by ghost on Nov 27, 2023 22:48:14 GMT -5
I could look at Mahomes. 817 yards in one game vs #3 OU..... the kid was the best CFB player.... and proven GOAT in the NFL. But no invite because he had a team with the worst defense in CFB.... It’s just fucking annoying that “stats” matter for some and others they get pissed on.. You're doing your best to create something that's not there. You're conflating two separate issues. Im quoting stats comparing the 'top three' contenders and you and other are playing the 'stats' matter for some and others get pissed on. I know these are difficult concepts for you but since your the one being vocally critical, how do you suggest you compare Daniels to Nix as they relate to the Heisman Trophy? It is my opinion. I have my opinion. I would vote for Nix.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 2:46:26 GMT -5
Seen a few mock drafts that have the Raiders taking Daniels.
Oh hell no, says I.
I remember the last time the Raiders took an overhyped QB out of LSU.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 1, 2023 12:20:40 GMT -5
Seen a few mock drafts that have the Raiders taking Daniels. Oh hell no, says I. I remember the last time the Raiders took an overhyped QB out of LSU. Daniels takes the game seriously, JaMarcus Russell didn't. Huge difference. Rumor the UCLA QB might come to LSU.
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 1, 2023 12:22:34 GMT -5
UCLA quarterback Dante Moore reportedly plans to enter the transfer portal
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Post by geauxtigerfan on Dec 1, 2023 23:56:23 GMT -5
So does the loss take Nix out of the race?
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Post by bilogle on Dec 2, 2023 0:01:33 GMT -5
So does the loss take Nix out of the race? maybe not the loss, but his performance was way below his avg...
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